Price/Performance Graphs for Electronics

[Lyons]

You're going down the slippery slope, please remember that your original presumption was that this was a workstation laptop. (Professional usage, media editing, graphical processing.)

As for your empty comparison between the Quadro and the GT650m - which you casually referred to as a 'GeForce'. The Quadro may not boast a gaming performance equal to that of a GT650m, but for the uses mentioned for this particular debate the Quadro performs noticeable quicker in CAD applications

 

And yet your argument contains a fallacy, there are many more programs only available on Windows.

 

Got some numbers or benchmarks to back that up? I'm genuinely curious. The rMBP is still a better overall laptop for the price. I don't think this is really debatable.

 

I dunno man. In terms of keyboard, screen, trackpad, and overall build quality, PC manufacturers have been catching up.

mmm nope, not really. Examples?

[DirkaFat]

because matte != anti-reflective

The color reproduction of an AR-coated display doesn't wash out colors like matte display do in bright working spaces ...

 

Also how is the performance worse?

Matte displays aren't that prone to be reflective either.

You can try increasing brightness and contrast in bright areas.

I mean worse performance compared to price (which is what this thread is about).

[Lukiose]

Sigh... Why won't you PC elitists realise that specs aren't the only things that drive cost? Thinks like screen, trackpad, keyboard, build, battery tech, R&D, support, etc. are also contributing factors, and the fact that your graphs don't represent this makes them invalid. The rMBP and MBA are the best laptops in their respective segments and anyone who's owned or used a Macbook for a significant amount of time knows this. Please don't speak from inexperience.

And in what way exactly, with statistics? In the past 30 odd posts by various users, including me, we have had several discussions with one relating to a 'workstation laptop' on the rMBP and how there may be alternatives offering similar or better at a lower/similar pricepoint. And in case you fail to realise, my first graph refers to laptops & custom desktops[NOT SELF-ASSEMBLED] by firms like Asus as well as independent groups such as XoticPC/DigitalStorm. Even if i give the benefit of the doubt - Razer Blade vs MBP for gaming, the Blade far outperforms the spec'd-out MBP, whilst maintaining the form factor at the same price point. For a workstation laptop as discussed earlier, there seems to be great alternatives present as well for each and every price point.

So if you may - enlighten me so on substantiated grounds, how exactly are the rMBP and MBA the best laptops in their area of expertise? And how does owning a Macbook for a significant amount of time make any difference as to one's affirmation of it being the 'best laptop'?

[Deddie]

 

Got some numbers or benchmarks to back that up? I'm genuinely curious. Regular Geforce GPU's (ie 650m) can usually use a modded driver or 'hack', for lack of a better word, for hardware acceleration. The rMBP is still a better overall laptop for the price. I don't think this is really debatable.

 

mmm nope, not really. Examples?

The Acer Aspire S7 and the Asus Zenbook are pretty well built.

[DirkaFat]

They haven't. They are getting closer though.

They're pretty close. Some of Asus and Acer notebooks from the top of my head.

And this thread is about price/performance, anyway.

[MrSuperb]

And in what way exactly, with statistics? In the past 30 odd posts by various users, including me, we have had several discussions with one relating to a 'workstation laptop' on the rMBP and how there may be alternatives offering similar or better at a lower/similar pricepoint.

Stop lying! There was not one cheaper alternative brought up by you!

NONE!

[MrSuperb]

The Acer Aspire S7 and the Asus Zenbook are pretty well built.

 

They are pretty well built, but noway near any of the Apple Macbooks ...

[DirkaFat]

They are pretty well built, but noway near any of the Apple Macbooks ...

It's near.

[MrSuperb]

Even if i give the benefit of the doubt - Razer Blade vs MBP for gaming, the Blade far outperforms the spec'd-out MBP, whilst maintaining the form factor at the same price point.

 

The Razer has one of the crappiest displays you can currently get in a notebook. The MAcbook Pro has one (if not the) best display you can currently get in a Notebook. Almost everything is worse with the Razer Blade, except the GPU solutions.

[MrSuperb]

It's near.

especially the S7 NOT.

[Deddie]

especially the S7 NOT.

Why do you think so?

[Lukiose]

The Razer has one of the crappiest displays you can currently get in a notebook. The MAcbook Pro has one (if not the) best display you can currently get in a Notebook. Almost everything is worse with the Razer Blade, except the GPU solutions.

Specify? All you've been doing is throw out accusations with no grounds of backing them up. If by your fallacy that the 'crappiest display' is due to the Razer Blade's 1600x900 resolution compared to the 'best display' of 2880x1800 then i'm afraid you have a very big misconception.

Good night, it's past 12 in my country of residence.

[Deddie]

Specify? All you've been doing is throw out accusations with no grounds of backing them up. If by your fallacy that the 'crappiest display' is due to the Razer Blade's 1600x900 resolution compared to the 'best display' of 2880x1800 then i'm afraid you have a very big misconception.

Good night, it's past 12 in my country of residence.

The Razer Blade has a TN Panel.

[MrSuperb]

Specify? All you've been doing is throw out accusations with no grounds of backing them up. If by your fallacy that the 'crappiest display' is due to the Razer Blade's 1600x900 resolution compared to the 'best display' of 2880x1800 then i'm afraid you have a very big misconception.

Good night, it's past 12 in my country of residence.

 

Not the resolution (though that is also a big difference) but overall screen quality. The Razer Blades is just a crappy TN panel - see also Linus unobxing/first look. The MB Pro Retina screen is one of the best in resolution, color reproduction, contrast, black value etc ...

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All you have been doing is saying BULLSH*T and this is exactly why I reported this thread in the first place.

[Lyons]

And in what way exactly, with statistics? In the past 30 odd posts by various users, including me, we have had several discussions with one relating to a 'workstation laptop' on the rMBP and how there may be alternatives offering similar or better at a lower/similar pricepoint. And in case you fail to realise, my first graph refers to laptops & custom desktops[NOT SELF-ASSEMBLED] by firms like Asus as well as independent groups such as XoticPC/DigitalStorm. Even if i give the benefit of the doubt - Razer Blade vs MBP for gaming, the Blade far outperforms the spec'd-out MBP, whilst maintaining the form factor at the same price point. For a workstation laptop as discussed earlier, there seems to be great alternatives present as well for each and every price point.

So if you may - enlighten me so on substantiated grounds, how exactly are the rMBP and MBA the best laptops in their area of expertise? And how does owning a Macbook for a significant amount of time make any difference as to one's affirmation of it being the 'best laptop'?

 Sorry, you are missing my point. The rMBP and MBA are objectively the best laptops in their segments, that's what I said. Did I say the rMBP was a workstation laptop? No. The graphs are still invalid because they only account for price/spec, which is not a true representation of value. I don't think you understand that 'gaming performance' is not the end-all of which is better of two laptops, and you also don't understand product design, product development, any kind of engineering, or the hardware involved. The Blade has a vastly inferior screen, an inferior trackpad, an inferior keyboard, inferior build quality, inferior battery life, and lacks the ability to run OSX AND Windows; it is irrefutable. You need to get this: specs and numbers on their own do not equal better. Better componentry is nice, but when everything surrounding it sucks, the product is not justifiably better value. The fact that you probably haven't even used an rMBP or MBA in real life means that you don't understand where their value comes from, and calling people out saying 'oh you don't know anything you have no proof!', is hypocritical. If you think the Blade is better, suit yourself. Mislead your friends and buy yourself inferior products. It's your money.

 

Not the resolution (though that is also a big difference) but overall screen quality. The Razer Blades is just a crappy TN panel - see also Linus unobxing/first look. The MB Pro Retina screen is one of the best in resolution, color reproduction, contrast, black value etc ...

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All you have been doing is saying BULLSH*T and this is exactly why I reported this thread in the first place.

This is right. The OP honestly doesn't understand the hardware well enough to make any kind of judgements. This is a stupid thread.

 

The Acer Aspire S7 and the Asus Zenbook are pretty well built.

Key phrase being 'pretty well', not 'excellent', in the case of the rMBP and MBA. And that isn't to mention worse screens, trackpads, etc.

[DirkaFat]

 Sorry, you are missing my point. The rMBP and MBA are objectively the best laptops in their segments, that's what I said. Did I say the rMBP was a workstation laptop? No. The graphs are still invalid because they only account for price/spec, which is not a true representation of value. I don't think you understand that 'gaming performance' is not the end-all of which is better of two laptops. The Blade has a vastly inferior screen, an inferior trackpad, an inferior keyboard, inferior build quality, inferior battery life, and lacks the ability to run OSX AND Windows; it is irrefutable. You need to get this: specs and numbers on their own do not equal better. Better componentry is nice, but when everything surrounding it sucks, the product is not justifiable better value. The fact that you probably haven't even used an rMBP or MBA in real life means that you don't understand where their value comes from, and calling people out saying 'oh you don't know anything you have no proof!', is hypocritical. If you think the Blade is better, suit yourself. Mislead your friends and buy yourself inferior products. It's your money.

 

This is right. The OP honestly doesn't understand the hardware well enough to make any kind of judgements. This is a stupid thread.

Again, this thread is about price/performance. Not build quality. I feel the need to bring this up because, if I learned anything from debate school, going off topic is a big NO. 

[Lyons]

Again, this thread is about price/performance. Not build quality. I feel the need to bring this up because, if I learned anything from debate school, going off topic is a big NO.

Great, except price/performance isn't the whole story. It is a fallacy and needs to be dropped by you diehard PC guys. It's ridiculous.

[DirkaFat]

Great, except price/performance isn't the whole story. It is a fallacy and needs to be dropped by you diehard PC guys. It's ridiculous.

That's the thing, I know it isn't everything, but it's irrelevant in this particular thread.

 

Edit: I'm not diehard. I just don't need a notebook at this moment. So I have a desktop... and no need to go apple.

[Lyons]

That's the thing, I know it isn't everything, but it's irrelevant in this particular thread.

Then the thread and the argument is irrelevant. It shouldn't even be a discussion point, I hate that you guys think it is.

[DirkaFat]

Then the thread and the argument is irrelevant. It shouldn't even be a discussion point, I hate that you guys think it is.

It's something to talk about though. Price and performance of PC's and Apple hardware. I like talking about it.

[Deddie]

It's something to talk about though. Price and performance of PC's and Apple hardware. I like talking about it.

The build quality is part of the price so we should talk about it.

[Guest]

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/27342-apple-osx-vs-the-rest-windows/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/43112-the-battle-mac-vs-pc-a-challenge

Also given the fact that this has just turned into flamming each other for about the 5th time on a thread like this, locked.