Who is the fanatic, really? Yes, it's one of those threads again

[AllstaRawR]

What can I say, people who use GeForce are civil for the most part.

 

GET ON MY LEVEL, PLEBS.

 

In all seriousness, I STILL wish I had a Fury X because I can't even get my GPU out of my case without cutting it out. ;_;

[don_svetlio]

GET ON MY LEVEL, PLEBS.

 

In all seriousness, I STILL wish I had a Fury X because I can't even get my GPU out of my case without cutting it out. ;_;

Teach me senpai-sama-san-kuuuun

[D2ultima]

Hell yeah, I also love how each and every one of them "forgets" that AMD cards actually turn off when idling so as to save as much power as possible but no, "Zero Core" technology doesn't exist to them.

Believe it or not, nVidia cards can do something almost the same. The problem is that it's mostly locked to mobile GPUs . But here: look how low my clocks are when idling

 

[don_svetlio]

Believe it or not, nVidia cards can do something almost the same. The problem is that it's mostly locked to mobile GPUs . But here: look how low my clocks are when idling

 

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True, those are almost as low as mine.

[D2ultima]

True, those are almost as low as mine.

I honestly don't know why nVidia doesn't marry the best of their laptop tech (which is getting worse these days, let's not beat around the bush) with the best of their desktop tech (instead of giving us broken shit like 980Ms with only three VRMs and low voltage memory that can barely hold a damn overclock or hit 6GHz effective memory speed to save their lives unless you're willing to mod in three extra VRMs per card since the SLOTS ARE THERE ON THE BOARD) and just give us really good hardware like we had with the 780Ms and the 780Ti/780 cards.

 

It sickens me to know that even with the crap that they've pulled LIKE THIS and the 970 vRAM crap that they're still basically a no-brainer at any given point in the spectrum of "what do I buy" excepting the R9 390 being a good enough alternative to the 970 recently (and even then it can't OC its life away).

[don_svetlio]

I honestly don't know why nVidia doesn't marry the best of their laptop tech (which is getting worse these days, let's not beat around the bush) with the best of their desktop tech (instead of giving us broken shit like 980Ms with only three VRMs and low voltage memory that can barely hold a damn overclock or hit 6GHz effective memory speed to save their lives unless you're willing to mod in three extra VRMs per card since the SLOTS ARE THERE ON THE BOARD) and just give us really good hardware like we had with the 780Ms and the 780Ti/780 cards.

 

It sickens me to know that even with the crap that they've pulled LIKE THIS and the 970 vRAM crap that they're still basically a no-brainer at any given point in the spectrum of "what do I buy" excepting the R9 390 being a good enough alternative to the 970 recently (and even then it can't OC its life away).

Full-heartedly agree. I was actually thinking of buying an Nvidia card so as to try out what they are offering but the 960 simply put me off.

[kondziowy]

I had only Nvidia cards always in my PC for 15 years But now their cards are just bad and had to go AMD. I expect them to earn 35-40% market share in a year or I seriously will have no idea what is going on in PC market anymore.

[don_svetlio]

I had only Nvidia cards always in my PC for 15 years But now their cards just are bad and had to go AMD. I expect them to earn 35-40% market share in a year or I seriously will have no idea what is going on in PC market anymore.

Well, AMD have about 30% atm but that should change. All they need is 1 more big mistake by Nvidia and it's in the bag.

[D2ultima]

Full-heartedly agree. I was actually thinking of buying an Nvidia card so as to try out what they are offering but the 960 simply put me off.

Yeah. They could have used a 980M or 970M core for a 960, but they chose the 965M core and a 128-bit memory bus. It's a pathetic card for the x60 range. Even the 660 was a much better card compared to a 770/680. 

[don_svetlio]

Yeah. They could have used a 980M or 970M core for a 960, but they chose the 965M core and a 128-bit memory bus. It's a pathetic card for the x60 range. Even the 660 was a much better card compared to a 770/680. 

IIRC the 660 became the 760 with some improvements but was still a better option than the 960 as it could actually use it's 4 GB versions.

[D2ultima]

IIRC the 660 became the 760 with some improvements but was still a better option than the 960 as it could actually use it's 4 GB versions.

No, the 660 was for the most part 960 cores GK106 with a 192-bit memory bus and 2GB or 3GB of vRAM. The 680/770 on the other hand were 1536 cores with a 256-bit memory bus and 2GB or 4GB of vRAM. The 760 also had 1152 cores and a 256-bit mem bus with 2GB or 4GB of vRAM (or 192-bit mem bus with 1.5GB of vRAM for OEMs like Alienware)

 

In comparison, the 980 is 2048 cores with a 256-bit memory bus and 4GB of vRAM, and the 960 is 1024 cores with a 128-bit memory bus and 2GB or 4GB of vRAM.

 

MUCH larger difference. Prior to this lovely (shitty) trend of launching with midrange cards as the flagships, the "x60" range was much more impressive.

[don_svetlio]

No, the 660 was for the most part 960 cores GK106 with a 192-bit memory bus and 2GB or 3GB of vRAM. The 680/770 on the other hand were 1536 cores with a 256-bit memory bus and 2GB or 4GB of vRAM. The 760 also had 1152 cores and a 256-bit mem bus with 2GB or 4GB of vRAM (or 192-bit mem bus with 1.5GB of vRAM for OEMs like Alienware)

 

In comparison, the 980 is 2048 cores with a 256-bit memory bus and 4GB of vRAM, and the 960 is 1024 cores with a 128-bit memory bus and 2GB or 4GB of vRAM.

 

MUCH larger difference. Prior to this lovely (shitty) trend of launching with midrange cards as the flagships, the "x60" range was much more impressive.

Yep, Going all the way back to the 460/560, the X60 cards were THE cards to buy from Nvidia but now they are utter crap ._. It's basically either the 750 Ti or the 970, the midrange is not worth it anymore whereas AMD's 280/380/7870 keep getting better and better.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Look if the fury preformed even 5% better than it does it would be the thing to grab. As it is, some premium 980s can keep pace with it at all but 4k and oc to oc the 980ti obliterates it.

The only real reason to go for a fury x is for the small form factor. (And technically the aio means lower case temps.)

[don_svetlio]

Look if the fury preformed even 5% better than it does it would be the thing to grab. As it is, some premium 980s can keep pace with it at all but 4k and oc to oc the 980ti obliterates it.

The only real reason to go for a fury x is for the small form factor. (And technically the aio means lower case temps.)

Well, AiO or not, it's still the stock cooler you get for the same price you pay for the air cooler so it's a bonus to the Fury X.

[Dinkleberg]

IIRC the 660 became the 760 with some improvements but was still a better option than the 960 as it could actually use it's 4 GB versions.

No, the GTX 760 was an underclocked 670, not an improved 660. The 660 wasn't used in the 700 series.

[Hieb]

Honestly at this point AMD's marketing team isn't that good... they don't have that much marketing power or funding for it. For some reason AMD just has a staggering amount of fan loyalty, and that's where the marketing comes from. People all over the web who proudly support and promote AMD recommending them day after day as the best option for anyone who wants the best value in their system. If it weren't for the red team fans on the internet, FX CPUs and some of the R9 series cards wouldn't be flying off the shelves like they currently are.

[soup]

t I'll throw it in their.

 

Throw it in their what?

[Curufinwe_wins]

Well, AiO or not, it's still the stock cooler you get for the same price you pay for the air cooler so it's a bonus to the Fury X.

Which is why I mentioned it without mentioning the hybrid option from evga.

[don_svetlio]

Which is why I mentioned it without mentioning the hybrid option from evga.

Oh, okay. Slight misunderstanding on my part, sorry

[Curufinwe_wins]

Oh, okay. Slight misunderstanding on my part, sorry

No worries it's a very valid point either way.

[Jord1990]

GET ON MY LEVEL, PLEBS.

In all seriousness, I STILL wish I had a Fury X because I can't even get my GPU out of my case without cutting it out. ;_;

Lol g1 gaming problems. I know those feels

[Masada02]

Wooooo Fury X club... oh am I the only one here? Oh... I guess I'll be standing over here... alone...

 

But really, this argument is going to go on forever. Both sides have their benefits, just pick one.

[don_svetlio]

Wooooo Fury X club... oh am I the only one here? Oh... I guess I'll be standing over here... alone...

 

But really, this argument is going to go on forever. Both sides have their benefits, just pick one.

Give me one of yours and there will be 2 of us

[Prysin]

Honestly at this point AMD's marketing team isn't that good... they don't have that much marketing power or funding for it. For some reason AMD just has a staggering amount of fan loyalty, and that's where the marketing comes from. People all over the web who proudly support and promote AMD recommending them day after day as the best option for anyone who wants the best value in their system. If it weren't for the red team fans on the internet, FX CPUs and some of the R9 series cards wouldn't be flying off the shelves like they currently are.

Thing is though, they aint wrong. Well, im sort of in the AMD camp unless there is justification to go Nvidia, which there rarely is atm (unless we are talking 980Ti level cards).

Nvidia simply dissappoints. Big time.

They made Gsync a long while back, had years of real world customer experience... it took AMD 1 year with freesync to catch up and match them in performance and quality, always beating them in raw price for the monitors....

Nvidia made SLI, technically they may have invented multi GPU configs (i say maybe, was prolly some bloke in a shed that came up with the idea, but we never hear of those guys). Which they are doing worse at then AMD, and has been for a while.

Every card Nvidia makes, short of the 980Ti, there is serious grounds for concers... 960 underperforming compared to competition. 970 with its Vram thing, 980 being made obsolete by their own pricing scheme....

Nvidia also started messing with the games themselves through gameworks. I am not sure what is truth, and what is fiction in terms of them "rigging" performance dumps for AMD. Truthfully, i think they just use a lot of tesselation and geometry heavy stuff in there, which screws over AMD purely due to how GCN works.... but they also screw over their own cards. Which sort of baffles me.

You make a product, that seemingly intentionally performs atrociously on your previous generation cards, for no reason at all... What gives?

While AMD fans may be loyal to a fault. Nvidia fans are simply blinded by their own fanatiscism. They refuse to achnowledge that they are being shafted time and time again, for no logical reason. If AMD did this, and they have, even AMD fans rise up against them to make sure the issue is corrected. Yet Nvvidia fans seem to just brush it off and pretend it never happened....

[Masada02]

Give me one of yours and there will be 2 of us

Technically I own 4... Getting punished for being an early adopter sucks.

 

Coming from my last set of 970's with all their stupid driver crashes is so refreshing. I'm glad to be back on the AMD side. Now I just need a Freesync monitor.