How far can I push the i5 3570k with an air cooler?

[Fictionvl]

so I recently (today) got my Z77 Mpower motherboard, just for the sole reason of overclocking, I used to own an H77 motherboard and it was a stupid beginner mistake when i got it with the 3570k

and now I'm a beginner again when it comes to over clocking

 

so far I got to 4.0 Ghz at 1.1V, I tried going to 4.2 but it just crashes or blue screens, I don't know what to do now, should I bump more voltage? put in mind that I'm using a 650w PSU, all of my specs are in the sig bellow, I haven't updated the motherboard, I will when I get around to it lol

 

anyways, so yeah what should I do now?

[kipper]

I did 5.0 on my 2500k at 1.4v... H100.

[Dabasepc]

4.5-4.6 with Noctua NH-D, with T4, I suggest you keep it at 4.0

[exxco]

Try raising the vcore. 3570k easyly get to 4.5+

[Fictionvl]

I did 5.0 on my 2500k at 1.4v... H100.

 

2500k had an amazing chip for overclocking

[Fictionvl]

Try raising the vcore. 3570k easyly get to 4.5+

 

Note I'm using a Hyper T4, would I be fine? 

[exxco]

Note I'm using a Hyper T4, would I be fine?

Its better than stock cooler i think it can handle 4.5 with a little bit more vcore.

[Fictionvl]

Its better than stock cooler i think it can handle 4.5 with a little bit more vcore.

 

alright, I'll see what I can do 

[Gala]

Note I'm using a Hyper T4, would I be fine? 

Raise VCore till temps hit 70C and till 24H Prime95 runs successful

[Fictionvl]

Raise VCore till temps hit 70C and till 24H Prime95 runs successful

 

I raised the Vcore to 1.125v and max temps got up to 83c with Aida64 

[Fictionvl]

Raise VCore till temps hit 70C and till 24H Prime95 runs successful

at 4.2Ghz 

[Gala]

at 4.2Ghz 

Whats ambient?

[runit3]

I raised the Vcore to 1.125v and max temps got up to 83c with Aida64 

With those results you'll likely need to delid regardless of getting a cooler upgrade.

[connorpiper]

My 3570K has to have 1.22v to get to 4.2GHz

But I have an H100i. Temps go from 45-55c. 

[Fictionvl]

With those results you'll likely need to delid regardless of getting a cooler upgrade.

 

is it really that bad that I have to delid? Just know that I live in a hot environment, I live under AC almost 24/7 and the temps of it are set at 19c so the ambient temps are going to be around 23-25c 

[Clyne]

Some people reach 4.2/4.3GHZ around 1-5C ambient. 

I guess 3.9-4.1GHZ at most if you live around 23-25C anbient. 

[runit3]

is it really that bad that I have to delid? Just know that I live in a hot environment, I live under AC almost 24/7 and the temps of it are set at 19c so the ambient temps are going to be around 23-25c 

1.125v is fairly close to stock, if your ΔC is ~60C that's a hell of jump for 1.125v. Some of it can be accounted for with the T4, but with ambient temps that low I would expect something along the lines of ~73C max load temp in AIDA -specifically at that voltage.

 

The main point I'm trying to make is that you're going to become temp limited WAY before you'll become voltage limited on the Ivy platform with your particular chip. You have +.2-.275v of voltage overhead (depending on how you feel about 1.35v-1.4v) with only, what I would consider, +2-5C of thermal headroom to work with.

 

I could suggest wasting $100+USD on an AIO or NH-D15, or delidding -which amounts to a tube of CLU @~$15 and a new tube of TIM (this assumes you have access to a vice). I know what will happen if you delid, but if the TIM is hosed on your chip's IHS not even a $1000 custom loop could cool it. Ivy was the foreshadowing of Haswell pre-DC, some chips just had terrible TIM from the factory and delidding is the tried and true method to knock down temps to an absurdly low level. I've done it on two of my OG Haswell chips and both were able to hit the voltage ceiling with temps still well under 80C. It's risky if you're not confident in your hand dexterity, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a new cooler.

[Fictionvl]

1.125v is fairly close to stock, if your ΔC is ~60C that's a hell of jump for 1.125v. Some of it can be accounted for with the T4, but with ambient temps that low I would expect something along the lines of ~73C max load temp in AIDA -specifically at that voltage.

 

The main point I'm trying to make is that you're going to become temp limited WAY before you'll become voltage limited on the Ivy platform with your particular chip. You have +.2-.275v of voltage overhead (depending on how you feel about 1.35v-1.4v) with only, what I would consider, +2-5C of thermal headroom to work with.

 

I could suggest wasting $100+USD on an AIO or NH-D15, or delidding -which amounts to a tube of CLU @~$15 and a new tube of TIM (this assumes you have access to a vice). I know what will happen if you delid, but if the TIM is hosed on your chip's IHS not even a $1000 custom loop could cool it. Ivy was the foreshadowing of Haswell pre-DC, some chips just had terrible TIM from the factory and delidding is the tried and true method to knock down temps to an absurdly low level. I've done it on two of my OG Haswell chips and both were able to hit the voltage ceiling with temps still well under 80C. It's risky if you're not confident in your hand dexterity, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a new cooler.

 

Yeah, I'm still not confident that I do delidding yet, I think I'd rather get an AiO and if that doesn't work for me, I will delid

what do you think about the Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme AiO? 

[Fictionvl]

Some people reach 4.2/4.3GHZ around 1-5C ambient. 

I guess 3.9-4.1GHZ at most if you live around 23-25C anbient. 

 

I got it upto 4.2 some how with max temp of 83c on aida64 

[runit3]

Yeah, I'm still not confident that I do delidding yet, I think I'd rather get an AiO and if that doesn't work for me, I will delid

what do you think about the Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme AiO? 

Any 240x~25mm AIO is going to perform roughly equally as any other. Main differences will be fan and pump noise between brands. My go-to AIO for 240's is the H105, little thick rad at 38mm. If your case can support a 280mm the Kraken X61 and Nepton 280L are good options.

 

Quiet/Low fan speed: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/closed-loop-aio-liquid-coolers/10

Max cooling: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/closed-loop-aio-liquid-coolers/9

 

Swapping out the fans that each AIO comes with can yield much lower noise levels with similar performance (see NF-F12's/gentle typhoons/etc.).

 

Good comparison benchmark with the Thermaltake included: http://www.legitreviews.com/thermaltake-water-3-0-extreme-s-aio-cpu-cooler-review_154936/5

[Fictionvl]

Any 240x~25mm AIO is going to perform roughly equally as any other. Main differences will be fan and pump noise between brands. My go-to AIO for 240's is the H105, little thick rad at 38mm. If your case can support a 280mm the Kraken X61 and Nepton 280L are good options.

 

Quiet/Low fan speed: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/closed-loop-aio-liquid-coolers/10

Max cooling: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/closed-loop-aio-liquid-coolers/9

 

Swapping out the fans that each AIO comes with can yield much lower noise levels with similar performance (see NF-F12's/gentle typhoons/etc.).

 

Good comparison benchmark with the Thermaltake included: http://www.legitreviews.com/thermaltake-water-3-0-extreme-s-aio-cpu-cooler-review_154936/5

 

My case is the NZXT H440, I should be fine right? I will get the SP120's from corsair quiet edition as these are the ones available here

[JaZoN_XD]

Keep bumping up the voltage and upping the clock speeds but make sure that you watch your temperatures with each voltage setting. Once you hit a temp of around 85C and there's no crashing, blue screen etc. Then just keep the chip at that speed.

[Fictionvl]

Keep bumping up the voltage and upping the clock speeds but make sure that you watch your temperatures with each voltage setting. Once you hit a temp of around 85C and there's no crashing, blue screen etc. Then just keep the chip at that speed.

 

I've already hit 83c, I'm not sure if I should go for 4.3Ghz now 

[JaZoN_XD]

I've already hit 83c, I'm not sure if I should go for 4.3Ghz now 

Ahh, okay. Well, if you do really want to push it more, then you can always upgrade the fan that's on the heatsink, assuming you are using the default one. Better thermal compound such as Arctic Silver MX-4 would help. Or just outright get a better cooler.

[Fictionvl]

Ahh, okay. Well, if you do really want to push it more, then you can always upgrade the fan that's on the heatsink, assuming you are using the default one. Better thermal compound such as Arctic Silver MX-4 would help. Or just outright get a better cooler.

 

Yeah I might get a new CPU cooler, I was thinking the GTX H100i from corsair