t-balancer alternative?

[perplex]

so i need a sweet ass fan controller, the Asus motherboard one is total crap, i tell the fan to turn on at 60c and it turns on at 40 every 5 mins...

 

im looking for something that reads the cpu temp and goes by that, needs to have pwm and dc power controls so i can control my pump and fans, turn fans completly off, id also like it if i can tell it to turn on at say 40c and wont turn off untill it gets to say 35c, i dont know if any can do that

 

issue with the t-balancer is everyone says its a pain to set up, bad software ect, and its super kinda expensive

 

does anyone know if there is someone showing what the t-balancer can do? and software if the t-balancer can do what i need then i might just have to get, anyone know if it can do all the above?

 

oh and also needs to control 6 pwm fans and 1 pump as many ports as i can get

[perplex]

guess there is none?

[0ld_Chicken]

guess there is none?

Speedfan if it is compatible with your motherboard

[perplex]

Speedfan if it is compatible with your motherboard

yea i had a look at that, but didnt like it/didnt know how to use

[0ld_Chicken]

yea i had a look at that, but didnt like it/didnt know how to use

its pretty easy once you get it configured but its not a user friendly gui like most aplications.  there are lots of tutorials on youtube and here >  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/154956-how-to-properly-set-up-speedfan/

 

but its not for everyone I suppose

[perplex]

its pretty easy once you get it configured but its not a user friendly gui like most aplications.  there are lots of tutorials on youtube and here >  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/154956-how-to-properly-set-up-speedfan/

 

but its not for everyone I suppose

hmm ill give it another go

[0ld_Chicken]

hmm ill give it another go

I've seriously got to go to bed but I'd be glad to help tomorrow if you run in to problems

[W-L]

guess there is none?

 

I'm not sure how your setting up AI suite's fan Xpert but it's considered one of the best out there basically. I use it with watercooling and temp probes and it's never had a problem before.

[perplex]

I'm not sure how your setting up AI suite's fan Xpert but it's considered one of the best out there basically. I use it with watercooling and temp probes and it's never had a problem before.

yea, i donno, i just tell the back fan to turn on at 60c but it keep turning on at 40 idle temp

[W-L]

yea, i donno, i just tell the back fan to turn on at 60c but it keep turning on at 40 idle temp

 

Are your readings on AI suite accurate I do know it tends to be off slightly, mine are off a few degrees hotter than what all my other temp softwares read and my multimeter when I tested.

[perplex]

I've seriously got to go to bed but I'd be glad to help tomorrow if you run in to problems

thanks, seems i can get it to work but its not 100% what im after, looking after abit more control with the temps

 

Are your readings on AI suite accurate I do know it tends to be off slightly, mine are off a few degrees hotter than what all my other temp softwares read and my multimeter when I tested.

yea but say cpus is only 40c and fan turns on when its set to 60 for maybe 30 secs

[W-L]

thanks, seems i can get it to work but its not 100% what im after, looking after abit more control with the temps

 

yea but say cpus is only 40c and fan turns on when its set to 60 for maybe 30 secs

 

That's really strange but if you are placing it on the CPU header you can't let it turn off that's normal if it's on that header since it needs to constantly run at a low RPM.

[KamiKatze]

I have a T-Balancer bigng. Got one on ebay for 35€. The software is very old and cumbersome to work with but it is very detailed and you can do a lot with it. Even pump flow control, setting alarms and whatnot.

 

It has 4 fan channels (3 pin) á 20W. I used a fan splitter for my two front fans and connected the rear one directly. 20W is a lot in terms of fans, so you don't need to worry. Generally, the way the fans are controlled thorugh the software is either by 1. Manual Mode 2. Software Sensor. It can also work together with speedfan. However it requries quite some setup time, i haven't done this and it shows nothing for me under that point. 3. Target Temperature. 4. Custom response curve where you can type in temp./power% values to your liking. You can save multiple fan curves to the t-balancer and activate them on the go.

 

It is very accurate and responsive in controlling the temperatures, no hiccups or random turning up/down the speed. The response curves requiers at least one thermal sensors. The T-Balancer has two digital ones (the ones i use) and several analogue ones but i didn't even install them. The response curve watches all the temp. sensors at all times. So it doesn't matter which fan sensor reaches a higher temperature, all the fan curves will respond and turn up the speed.

I haven't found (nor searched) a function to asign one sensor to one fan channel, since thats not how i use them. You can also reduce a temp. sensors output by e.g. giving it only 90% of the readout in software. By that you can avoid that one temp.sensor overweighs the other. (values over 100% are also possible)

 

A big disadvantage imo is that the temp.-diferences at the sensors are very small. My entire response curve sits between 35 °C and 40 °C. The digital sensor is velcro taped to the shroud of my graphics card.

A way to avoid this could be the software sensor and/or speedfan connection. However, like i said, i never worked with that and i don't know how easy this is to set up.

[perplex]

That's really strange but if you are placing it on the CPU header you can't let it turn off that's normal if it's on that header since it needs to constantly run at a low RPM.

yea the pump is on that

 

here is a example

 

I have a T-Balancer bigng. Got one on ebay for 35€. The software is very old and cumbersome to work with but it is very detailed and you can do a lot with it. Even pump flow control, setting alarms and whatnot.

 

It has 4 fan channels (3 pin) á 20W. I used a fan splitter for my two front fans and connected the rear one directly. 20W is a lot in terms of fans, so you don't need to worry. Generally, the way the fans are controlled thorugh the software is either by 1. Manual Mode 2. Software Sensor. It can also work together with speedfan. However it requries quite some setup time, i haven't done this and it shows nothing for me under that point. 3. Target Temperature. 4. Custom response curve where you can type in temp./power% values to your liking. You can save multiple fan curves to the t-balancer and activate them on the go.

 

It is very accurate and responsive in controlling the temperatures, no hiccups or random turning up/down the speed. The response curves requiers at least one thermal sensors. The T-Balancer has two digital ones (the ones i use) and several analogue ones but i didn't even install them. The response curve watches all the temp. sensors at all times. So it doesn't matter which fan sensor reaches a higher temperature, all the fan curves will respond and turn up the speed.

I haven't found (nor searched) a function to asign one sensor to one fan channel, since thats not how i use them. You can also reduce a temp. sensors output by e.g. giving it only 90% of the readout in software. By that you can avoid that one temp.sensor overweighs the other. (values over 100% are also possible)

 

A big disadvantage imo is that the temp.-diferences at the sensors are very small. My entire response curve sits between 35 °C and 40 °C. The digital sensor is velcro taped to the shroud of my graphics card.

A way to avoid this could be the software sensor and/or speedfan connection. However, like i said, i never worked with that and i don't know how easy this is to set up.

so you can get it to read the cpu temp and go by that yes? also can you set it to say turn on at 40c but turn off at 35c? so its not on and off all the time?

 

surly there is a new version or something else with 4pin and more headers

[KamiKatze]

yea the pump is on that

 

here is a example

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so you can get it to read the cpu temp and go by that yes? also can you set it to say turn on at 40c but turn off at 35c? so its not on and off all the time?

 

surly there is a new version or something else with 4pin and more headers

 

There are different kinds of T-Balancers, thats true. But you don't need a 4 pin variant. Thats what the t-balancer is for.

 

As i said, i don't know if it can be controlled depending on other sensors. It just says controll by "software sensor". I'd also have to google to find out how that exactly works.

 

I don't think you can do such an overhang, turning on at 40 °C but turning off at 35 °C. At least not possible with the regular fan curve.

 

I haven't used my fans semi-passiveley so i can't say how the t-balancer would react to that. It also doesn't make much sense if you rely on the digital fan sensors. You'd have to use the "software sensor" to make it work reliably imo.

[0ld_Chicken]

thanks, seems i can get it to work but its not 100% what im after, looking after abit more control with the temps

Did you create custom fan curves? Edit desired/warning temps? See if you are using it properly because never in my life has someone asked for more control than Speedfan. Can pretty much do it all

[perplex]

Did you create custom fan curves? Edit desired/warning temps? See if you are using it properly because never in my life has someone asked for more control than Speedfan. Can pretty much do it all

um well my example is

 

say i wanted the fan to start at 50% i couldnt get it to it was like 48% then as soon at it hits 50% i want it at 50% but it only ramps up i cant add in extra dots, unless i missed something?

[0ld_Chicken]

um well my example is

say i wanted the fan to start at 50% i couldnt get it to it was like 48% then as soon at it hits 50% i want it at 50% but it only ramps up i cant add in extra dots, unless i missed something?

Im not sure i follow. I don't think you can add extra dots (but you can slide the temperature range to increase range). Have you set the minimum/maximum fan speeds in the fans or speeds tab? Sounds like that might be playing into your problem. Sorry I'm at work and not near a pc. I believe you want the fan to start up at 50°c to 50%? Should be able to set all dots on bottom line and then go straight to 50% and flatten out the line. I assume you have gone to configure>advanced> and changed your pwm type to manual?

[perplex]

Im not sure i follow. I don't think you can add extra dots (but you can slide the temperature range to increase range). Have you set the minimum/maximum fan speeds in the fans or speeds tab? Sounds like that might be playing into your problem. Sorry I'm at work and not near a pc. I believe you want the fan to start up at 50°c to 50%? Should be able to set all dots on bottom line and then go straight to 50% and flatten out the line. I assume you have gone to configure>advanced> and changed your pwm type to manual?

here is a example

 

so you can see the dot is on 50c, but the next dot is on 52c i want that to be on 50c also so straight up, because my wont work on say 22% @51c

[0ld_Chicken]

um well my example is

say i wanted the fan to start at 50% i couldnt get it to it was like 48% then as soon at it hits 50% i want it at 50% but it only ramps up i cant add in extra dots, unless i missed something?

Oh if you right click the dots it will tell you exactly what percent it is at and you can add\remove 1-5%. Also to have something come on at ex: 40 and turn off at 35 would be a 5° hysterisis (might be spelled wrong) should be a box right under fan curves marked as such

[perplex]

Oh if you right click the dots it will tell you exactly what percent it is at and you can add\remove 1-5%. Also to have something come on at ex: 40 and turn off at 35 would be a 5° hysterisis (might be spelled wrong) should be a box right under fan curves marked as such

yea, but i want the line from 50c vertically 

 

so at 50c it will turn on at 50%, right now at 50c its 0% and at 51c its like 25% (not shown on the above picture i didnt set the higher %)

 

and yea i noticed hysteresis

[0ld_Chicken]

here is a example

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so you can see the dot is on 50c, but the next dot is on 52c i want that to be on 50c also so straight up, because my wont work on say 22% @51c

Ah yes. About the only thing you can do with that afaik Is clicking that arrow to increase the Max temperature on the scale as far as it will go. This will make the curve steeper but not vertical. It should make it enough to have 51° be the next value. It can't actually be straight up cause then it would be at 2 values for the same temp.

[0ld_Chicken]

yea, but i want the line from 50c vertically

so at 50c it will turn on at 50%, right now at 50c its 0% and at 51c its like 25% (not shown on the above picture i didnt set the higher %)

and yea i noticed hysteresis

Yeah sorry you ninjad me lol. I'm mobile so not very quick

[perplex]

Yeah sorry you ninjad me lol. I'm mobile so not very quick

no dramas,

 

t balancer might have to be the only way.. hmm

[0ld_Chicken]

Ah yes. About the only thing you can do with that afaik Is clicking that arrow to increase the Max temperature on the scale as far as it will go. This will make the curve steeper but not vertical. It should make it enough to have 51° be the next value. It can't actually be straight up cause then it would be at 2 values for the same temp.

Crap. Actually it'd be turning the scale down to get finer control. Not sure if that will work but it should make the dots more precise and might get you where you need to be. If not i guess it can't work for everyone