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It will not perform better, and if price is a factor, go with an i3.  An i3 build ends up costing the same, while performing better, and giving you an upgrade path.

The whole reason why is because I was going to get a $50 MSI board but people telling me to get a better board plus I needed extra PCIe slots and a front USB 3.0 header. The motherboard I was going to get would cost me $100. My budget is not very high either. So my AMD mobo is about $60 and has 2 PCIe 16x, 1 PCI and 1 PCIe 1x. It also happens to have the front USB 3.0 header I need. And my pc partpicker lists don't even include the hard drives and copy of Windows I need.  I still want to have money to get a better monitor as well.

 

860K is weak and has no iGPU thats why it is so cheap. (not that it suck but some games may have issues)

I'm not going to use the iGPU. I'm getting the R9 270. 

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I would reiterate what pretty much everyone else is saying, if you can at all swing things to work out to get an i5 or even an i3 I would recommend going that route over the AMD option.  Much like that amazingly long post above explained, if you're planning on gaming you'll really be glad you did.

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the A10 and the R9 is a great build friend, you will love it

 

small tips for a cool FM2 build
1) remember add the operating system you want, to the cost number (if you don't have one)
2) if you have to choose an operating system, remember that Windows 8, 8.1, and Windows 10 "have learn how use all the power of the apu", i use Windows 7 and i love it anyway (and i will get free update to Windows 10 in short time)
3) try use all ram slots, for example if you have 2 slots and you want 8 GB of ram, try use 2x4GB (amd like this)
 
good luck friend  ^_^
 
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APU = A10

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the A10 and the R9 is a great build friend, you will love it

 

small tips for a cool FM2 build
1) remember add the operating system you want, to the cost number (if you don't have one)
2) if you have to choose an operating system, remember that Windows 8, 8.1, and Windows 10 "have learn how use all the power of the apu", i use Windows 7 and i love it anyway (and i will get free update to Windows 10 in short time)
3) try use all ram slots, for example if you have 2 slots and you want 8 GB of ram, try use 2x4GB (amd like this)
 
good luck friend  ^_^
 
- - - - some cool videos
 
 

 

Finally! Someone who agrees with my AMD build. My RAM is going to be the Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB x 2 @ 1600MHz. I getting the Athlon 860k but I'll see if I can find an A10 APU to use.

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Finally! Someone who agrees with my AMD build. My RAM is going to be the Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB x 2 @ 1600MHz. I getting the Athlon 860k but I'll see if I can find an A10 APU to use.

*sigh* the reason we didn't agree with it is because the performance per dollar (getting the most out of your money) is with Intel. It's not like we have anything against AMD; quite the contrary, we all want AMD to succeed so there is competition in the market and it forces both Intel and AMD to innovate, lower prices, all good things for the consumer.

But right now is not the time to buy AMD simply because you like them better. Financially, for gaming and otherwise, your dollar goes further with Intel as it offers the best performance.

An i3 processor offers better performance than the Athlon, and the combination of processor+motherboard is roughly the same. A couple or a few years down the line you could throw an i5/Xeon/i7 into that same motherboard and breathe new life into your system. There's nowhere to go with the Athlon, no upgrade paths down the road; you'll have to replace the heart of your entire system to upgrade.

In the end it's up to you, it's your money after all. But you came here asking for the facts, and we have given them to you.

To sum this all up I'll repeat what I said in my first post on your topic: There is no AMD build you can put together that will beat Intel at the same price point (bar very specific and cheap rendering/workstation builds) at this point in time.

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*sigh* the reason we didn't agree with it is because the performance per dollar (getting the most out of your money) is with Intel. It's not like we have anything against AMD; quite the contrary, we all want AMD to succeed so there is competition in the market and it forces both Intel and AMD to innovate, lower prices, all good things for the consumer.

But right now is not the time to buy AMD simply because you like them better. Financially, for gaming and otherwise, your dollar goes further with Intel as it offers the best performance.

An i3 processor offers better performance than the Athlon, and the combination of processor+motherboard is roughly the same. A couple or a few years down the line you could throw an i5/Xeon/i7 into that same motherboard and breathe new life into your system. There's nowhere to go with the Athlon, no upgrade paths down the road; you'll have to replace the heart of your entire system to upgrade.

In the end it's up to you, it's your money after all. But you came here asking for the facts, and we have given them to you.

To sum this all up I'll repeat what I said in my first post on your topic: There is no AMD build you can put together that will beat Intel at the same price point (bar very specific and cheap rendering/workstation builds) at this point in time.

I'm getting the A10-7850k. Who knows. Later on I'll probably build a better system. Since I'm 16, I only play games so a good GPU is good. Maybe I'll give this system to someone when I'm done with it.

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Finally! Someone who agrees with my AMD build. My RAM is going to be the Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB x 2 @ 1600MHz. I getting the Athlon 860k but I'll see if I can find an A10 APU to use.

2133MHz or more + CL9 or less = best for APU! :D

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I'm getting the A10-7850k. Who knows. Later on I'll probably build a better system. Since I'm 16, I only play games so a good GPU is good. Maybe I'll give this system to someone when I'm done with it.

Why spend money on a whole new system when you can build a proper system from the start that you won't be unhappy with in 3 months. The FM2+ platform is very weak compared to even an i3 + dGPU.

"I genuinely dislike the promulgation of false information, especially to people who are asking for help selecting new parts."

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Why spend money on a whole new system when you can build a proper system from the start that you won't be unhappy with in 3 months. The FM2+ platform is very weak compared to even an i3 + dGPU.

I think we're done, dude. We gave him all the information, it all points in the opposite direction, but what he does with it is his business. Sometimes facts just aren't enough to convince people :/

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I think we're done, dude. We gave him all the information, it all points in the opposite direction, but what he does with it is his business. Sometimes facts just aren't enough to convince people :/

The problem with modern medicine is that it killed off natural selection.

"I genuinely dislike the promulgation of false information, especially to people who are asking for help selecting new parts."

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The problem with modern medicine is that it killed off natural selection.

Well, I was just going to leave it at mild implications; but that about sums it up.

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The problem with modern medicine is that it killed off natural selection.

Americans signed a petition to 'enable Obama to add carcinogens into the water supply so that people get more' so yeah.....

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