need help selecting a UPS for my setup!

[Xtreme Gamer]

Ok, so to start off, here are my PC parts. i7 3770k (not Overclocked), single Gtx 660, 1000w 80+ gold PSU, 2 ssd, 1 hdd, 1 blue ray drive, stock intel cooler, sound blaster zx sound card, 5.25 internal card reader, usb 3.0 expansion, bluetooth and wifi pcie card (combined), led strip to light the rear of my pc, wired led keyboard and mouse, 27in benq gw2750H led monitor. My equipment: An sb6121 modem, WD mynet N900 (sometimes swapped to a wd MyNet AC1300), Nvidia Shield TV Pro 500GB, 32in Sceptre led tv, Directv receiver, long RGB led strip.

 

What I need help with is to select the right UPS from APC. I have found these 3 different ones but am not sure on which one to get

 

1. http://www.amazon.com/APC-BE550G-Back-UPS-8-outlet-Uninterruptible/dp/B0019804U8/ref=sr_1_9?&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1434925586&sr=1-9&keywords=ups&refinements=p_85:2470955011,p_n_condition-type:2224371011,p_89:APC|APC+by+Schneider+Electric

 

2. http://www.amazon.com/APC-BE650G1-Back-UPS-8-outlet-Uninterruptible/dp/B005GZRUZW/ref=sr_1_14?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1434925586&sr=1-14&keywords=ups&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011%2Cp_n_condition-type%3A2224371011%2Cp_89%3AAPC%7CAPC+by+Schneider+Electric

 

3. http://www.amazon.com/APC-BE750G-Back-UPS-10-outlet-Uninterruptible/dp/B000Z80ICM/ref=sr_1_20?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1434925586&sr=1-20&keywords=ups&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011%2Cp_n_condition-type%3A2224371011%2Cp_89%3AAPC%7CAPC+by+Schneider+Electric

 

I will also take suggestions, but the price needs to be as far below $100 as possible.

 

Thanks for any help!!!!

[iamdarkyoshi]

Just get a used one with bad batteries and redneck an old car battery to it. There are plenty of online guides

[Xtreme Gamer]

Just get a used one with bad batteries and redneck an old car battery to it. There are plenty of online guides

 

1. don't have the time for that.

2. probably don't have the money for it

3. don't have the patience/help for it

[iamdarkyoshi]

You just have to take the wires from the old battery and mount them to the car battery.

[W-L]

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For all that equipment if they are running at full load you'd probably want the largest one of the three the 750VA which can provide a max backup power load of 450W but you won't be running for long periods of time since it's mainly for you to save and shutdown the system for any extended power outage.

[Xtreme Gamer]

For all that equipment if they are running at full load you'd probably want the largest one of the three the 750VA which can provide a max backup power load of 450W but you won't be running for long periods of time since it's mainly for you to save and shutdown the system for any extended power outage.

 

How long can I expect from that UPS? And should I worry about overdrawing power from its battery for my PC do to gaming/rendering (saving my game/work then exiting during blackout)

 

Hopefully it sounds the way it sounds in my head.

[W-L]

How long can I expect from that UPS? And should I worry about overdrawing power from its battery for my PC do to gaming/rendering (saving my game/work then exiting during blackout)

 

Hopefully it sounds the way I sound sin my head.

 

It has built in over current protection so if the loads are greater than what it can supply it will shut off and give a warning. Your system shouldn't draw more than 300W at full load and the extra say 100-150W will be enough for your networking equipment and TV. 

 

At full load though only expect a few mins of power most UPS don't last much more than a few mins at full capacity unless they have large battery banks.

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE750G

[Xtreme Gamer]

It has built in over current protection so if the loads are greater than what it can supply it will shut off and give a warning. Your system shouldn't draw more than 300W at full load and the extra say 100-150W will be enough for your networking equipment and TV. 

 

At full load though only expect a few mins of power most UPS don't last much more than a few mins at full capacity unless they have large battery banks.

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE750G

 

So after a little more looking around I found these 2 UPS's. The difference with them and the APC is that they use simulated Sinewave. I read that it's a bad Idea to use a simulated sinewave UPS with and active PFC PSU. Can you tell me if it's ok to use any of these 2 UPS's with my active PFC PSU and the rest of my setup as listed earlier/above?

 

1. http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-EC850LCD-Ecologic-510-Watts-Efficient/dp/B00DBAA696/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_7

 

2. http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP825LCD-Intelligent-825VA-Compact/dp/B000RZPK1M/ref=sr_1_35?ie=UTF8&qid=1434932104&sr=8-35&keywords=cyberpower+ups&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011%2Cp_89%3ACyberPower%2Cp_n_condition-type%3A6461716011

 

Thanks!!!!

[W-L]

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Cyberpower makes more value oriented units but from others on the forums who had Cyberpower units they tend to be a lesser quality to fit that price point compared to APC's.

 

As for stepped simulated and simulated sinewaves they are basically the same thing with different terms. The APC and Cyber power units are stepped/simulated sinewaves so they work no problem with PC power supplies, the ones you want to stay away from are square waves they tend to trip the PSU and shutdown the system when the battery system kicks in.

 

I had a smaller version of that APC unit on my PC previously before I needed to upgrade it.

[Xtreme Gamer]

Cyberpower makes more value oriented units but from others on the forums who had Cyberpower units they tend to be a lesser quality to fit that price point compared to APC's.

 

As for stepped simulated and simulated sinewaves they are basically the same thing with different terms. The APC and Cyber power units are stepped/simulated sinewaves so they work no problem with PC power supplies, the ones you want to stay away from are square waves they tend to trip the PSU and shutdown the system when the battery system kicks in.

 

I had a smaller version of that APC unit on my PC previously before I needed to upgrade it.

 

so keeping of the active pfc psu my computer has. Is it going to work well with any of the UPS's that I listed before. And for the ones that it will work well with, which one would you recommend?

[W-L]

so keeping of the active pfc psu my computer has. Is it going to work well with any of the UPS's that I listed before. And for the ones that it will work well with, which one would you recommend?

 

From my experience I would say as long as it's a stepped or simulated sinewave it should work with almost all good quality PSU's no problem.

 

I would probably go with APC unit for it's better quality and reliability, the BE750G one you linked is good for your PC and the extras you will be adding to it but if you are maxing everything out at once as said it will only last ~5mins. 

 

Note it only has 5 battery backup outlets so you will need a power bar if you want to have everything on battery. Personally I'd leave the TV/cable box just on surge protection.

[Xtreme Gamer]

From my experience I would say as long as it's a stepped or simulated sinewave it should work with almost all good quality PSU's no problem.

 

I would probably go with APC unit for it's better quality and reliability, the BE750G one you linked is good for your PC and the extras you will be adding to it but if you are maxing everything out at once as said it will only last ~5mins. 

 

Note it only has 5 battery backup outlets so you will need a power bar if you want to have everything on battery. Personally I'd leave the TV/cable box just on surge protection.

 

Ok, but how is it that cyberpower is more value oriented and lesser quality? But APC is better quality?

[W-L]

Ok, but how is it that cyberpower is more value oriented and lesser quality? But APC is better quality?

 

Mainly just from user experience I personally haven't used cyberpower stuff but chatting with others who have had cyberpower units and have said they had issues with them or the unit not functioning correctly. Just noting the cyberpower units itself as value unit since it costs less than their competitors out there not that it is strictly a value unit.

 

APC wise they are considered the gold standard in terms of UPS's as a brand, I've personally used them for a while now and I have a small unit I use for networking and routers since I changed my unit and it still works great after 7 years in use.

[Xtreme Gamer]

Mainly just from user experience I personally haven't used cyberpower stuff but chatting with others who have had cyberpower units and have said they had issues with them or the unit not functioning correctly. Just noting the cyberpower units itself as value unit since it costs less than their competitors out there not that it is strictly a value unit.

 

APC wise they are considered the gold standard in terms of UPS's as a brand, I've personally used them for a while now and I have a small unit I use for networking and routers since I changed my unit and it still works great after 7 years in use.

 

so say i get a 825VA (450W) cyberpower ups. A storm causes an outtage but the batter is keeping my pc on. I shut down my pc immediately and the rest of the power goes to the modem, router, shield tv (maybe), and regular tv (maybe). How long do you think it would last?

[W-L]

so say i get a 825VA (450W) cyberpower ups. A storm causes an outtage but the batter is keeping my pc on. I shut down my pc immediately and the rest of the power goes to the modem, router, shield tv (maybe), and regular tv (maybe). How long do you think it would last?

 

If your lucky just using the networking equipment maybe an hour at most. I run a secondary router on one of those small APC units and can usually get around an hour or so on battery but note that is an old battery one mine and it won't be at peak efficiency being at low load.

 

From their site it says at full load like any other UPS ~5 mins:

http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/intelligent-lcd-ups/CP825LCD.html?selectedTabId=overview&imageI=#tab-box

[Xtreme Gamer]

If your lucky just using the networking equipment maybe an hour at most. I run a secondary router on one of those small APC units and can usually get around an hour or so on battery but note that is an old battery one mine and it won't be at peak efficiency being at low load.

 

From their site it says at full load like any other UPS ~5 mins:

http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/intelligent-lcd-ups/CP825LCD.html?selectedTabId=overview&imageI=#tab-box

 

One last thing for now, how easy/hard is it to replace an CyberPower EC850LCD battery?

[AnonymousGuy]

First - the people saying "use a car battery" - you are retarded.  Car batteries are not meant for deep cycling that a UPS requires.

 

Re: ^^ battery replacement is really easy.  There's usually a panel that you remove and the batteries (sealed lead acid) will slide out, unplug, put new one in, and away you go.  You can run as many lead acid batteries in parallel as you want, but pay attention to the wire gauge used. I bought a UPS without the battery (APC 750 something because I needed > 400 watts output on battery), and added in four 17aH batteries in parallel.  30+ minutes of runtime.  APC software has to be hacked a bit to make it run 30 minutes, because it has no idea on its own that the capacity has been upgraded.  It still thinks it has the dinky 7aH battery in there and that at 400 watts there's only 2 minutes run time.

[W-L]

One last thing for now, how easy/hard is it to replace an CyberPower EC850LCD battery?

 

As AnonymousGuy said it's fairly easy it's just a panel you remove and the battery will slide out with some cables connecting the terminals and the batteries are pretty readily available online or at battery stores.