Big order. Few questions

[shert73]

Going to overhaul my loop and this is the list I have.

EK-HDC Fitting 12mm G1/4 - Black (x16) $111.84

Bitspower None Chamfer PETG 12mm OD Tube Length 500mm (x15) $44.85

EK-CoolStream RAD XTX (480) (x2) $249.90

Bitspower Water Tank Z-Tube 300mm - Acrylic $24.95

Enzotech Drain Plug G 1/4 Threaded Cap - 1/2" Barb - Matte Black $5.99

EK-Ekoolant EVO Liquid Coolant - UV LIME GREEN (premix 1 Liter) $16.99

Corsair Obsidian Series® 900D ATX Super Tower PC Case $349.99

Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition High Static Pressure 120mm Fan - Set of Two (x9) $260.55

CableMod E-Series G2 / P2 Cable Kit - GREEN $89.95

EK-FC980 GTX Backplate - Black (X2) $69.98

EK-FC980 GTX Waterblock for Nvidia 980 GTX - Nickel/Acetal (X2) $249.98

EK-FC Terminal DUAL Serial 3-Slot - Plexi $32.99

TOTAL: $1,507.96

Few questions.

1: How do I power all the fans? Thought about doing a perfboard.

2: Will my 850w G2 power it all

3: is 3 liters of coolant enough?

Thanks.

Oh, I already have d5 pump the rest of the res. Cpu block and coolant (2 liters), 240 rad.

[blu4]

1. You can power the fans with a PWM fan hub/controller like the Phanteks one:

http://www.phanteks.com/PH-PWHUB.html

 

2. EASILY!

 

3. 3 liters is plenty coolant.

 

Btw. Don't get the SP120 fans- get the Noctuas NF-P12 or the Scythe Gentle Typhoons and use them with the fan controller (they are 3pins).

[gamerking]

1: How do I power all the fans? Thought about doing a perfboard.
2: Will my 850w G2 power it all
3: is 3 liters of coolant enough?

 

1. look at swiftech pwm spliter onlu good for 4 pin fans   http://www.amazon.com/Swiftech-8-Way-Splitter-Power-Connector/dp/B00IF6R4C8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432107137&sr=8-1&keywords=swiftech+pwm+fan+splitterfor controller look at lamptrop or aquacomputer's aquero 5 LT or 6 controllers 5lt has 3 3pins 1 4pin pwm the 6 version has 4 pwm headers they can be used for pwm or voltage/speed control . if you go with aquacomputer  one order from them directly  in germany its about half the price you will pay from performance pcs 220$ vs 150$ after exchange rate change

2. yea but  would go with a 1000w g2 since its always better to have a bit of headroom

3.more then enought i think my loop i only used 2 liter .

 

for  fans gently typhoons or ekwb vardars  the corsair fans can have issues when you start running alot on splitters

[shert73]

Thanks guys. I'll check out those other fans.

[blu4]

1: How do I power all the fans? Thought about doing a perfboard.

2: Will my 850w G2 power it all

3: is 3 liters of coolant enough?

 

1. look at swiftech pwm spliter onlu good for 4 pin fans   http://www.amazon.com/Swiftech-8-Way-Splitter-Power-Connector/dp/B00IF6R4C8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432107137&sr=8-1&keywords=swiftech+pwm+fan+splitterfor controller look at lamptrop or aquacomputer's aquero 5 LT or 6 controllers 5lt has 3 3pins 1 4pin pwm the 6 version has 4 pwm headers they can be used for pwm or voltage/speed control . if you go with aquacomputer  one order from them directly  in germany its about half the price you will pay from performance pcs 220$ vs 150$ after exchange rate change

2. yea but  would go with a 1000w g2 since its always better to have a bit of headroom

3.more then enought i think my loop i only used 2 liter .

 

for  fans gently typhoons or ekwb vardars  the corsair fans can have issues when you start running alot on splitters

1000w is not necessary. 850W is enough. 1000W PSUs go for 3-way SLI and he only has two cards that don't consume that much power anyway.

[shert73]

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Btw. Don't get the SP120 fans- get the Noctuas NF-P12 or the Scythe Gentle Typhoons and use them with the fan controller (they are 3pins).

Those typhoons are $$$ I don't really want to spend $400USD on fans.

[EmeraldFlame]

1. ModMyToys makes a ton of power distribution boards too. Their stuff is high quality and really cheap, and have just about any configuration you could ever want. Might want to check them out. Just make sure you don't overload a fan header or something with them.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=mod+my+toys+distribution

[shert73]

1. ModMyToys makes a ton of power distribution boards too. Their stuff is high quality and really cheap, and have just about any configuration you could ever want. Might want to check them out. Just make sure you don't overload a fan header or something with them.http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=mod+my+toys+distribution

How do i control the speeds with those?

[Necrodead]

How do i control the speeds with those?

The ones that only have sata and molex inputs, I don't know, but the ones like this: http://www.performance-pcs.com/modmytoys-3-pin-power-distribution-pcb-3-way-block.html will be able to be set by whatever the input is set to. You can get 3 pin or 4 pin models and all the fans will run at the same speed.

[EmeraldFlame]

How do i control the speeds with those?

 

The ones that only have sata and molex inputs, I don't know, but the ones like this: http://www.performance-pcs.com/modmytoys-3-pin-power-distribution-pcb-3-way-block.html will be able to be set by whatever the input is set to. You can get 3 pin or 4 pin models and all the fans will run at the same speed.

 

Necrodead is correct on the models with 3 and 4 pin inputs. If the board is listed as having a 3 or 4 pin input than it will distribute the speed of the input to all the fans on it. So you can't control them individually, you control them as a group essentially. The ones with only molex or sata power run an 100%, you would need resistors like Noctua's low noise adapters to slow things down on there.

They have a few models that are listed as having both a 4 pin input AND a molex/sata input. To be honest I haven't used these yet. My hunch would be that the 3 or 4 pin input controls speed while the sata/molex allows for extra power so you don't burn a header out, but I am honestly not sure on those, as they seem to be pretty new. You may want to contact ModMyToys on that if you consider using one of these models.

[shert73]

Necrodead is correct on the models with 3 and 4 pin inputs. If the board is listed as having a 3 or 4 pin input than it will distribute the speed of the input to all the fans on it. So you can't control them individually, you control them as a group essentially. The ones with only molex or sata power run an 100%, you would need resistors like Noctua's low noise adapters to slow things down on there.

They have a few models that are listed as having both a 4 pin input AND a molex/sata input. To be honest I haven't used these yet. My hunch would be that the 3 or 4 pin input controls speed while the sata/molex allows for extra power so you don't burn a header out, but I am honestly not sure on those, as they seem to be pretty new. You may want to contact ModMyToys on that if you consider using one of these models.

 

I'll need to be able to put them all on the lowest speed, that's why I'm getting 2 480s and my 240 i have all in push pull so 20 fans in total but i don't want to harm anything (burn out a header or something along those lines) i want to run them all at about 800 RPM.

[EmeraldFlame]

I'll need to be able to put them all on the lowest speed, that's why I'm getting 2 480s and my 240 i have all in push pull so 20 fans in total but i don't want to harm anything (burn out a header or something along those lines) i want to run them all at about 800 RPM.

You could probably achieve that pretty easy. Every motherboard is different so what I say might next might not be 100% correct for you. You will likely need to confirm with your MoBo manufacturer what their fan headers are capable of.

With that said though most MoBo fan headers can support about 1A at 12V, or 12W of power. It looks like the SP120 Quite Editions that you listed pull 0.08A at 12V or about 0.96W. Which means on most standard MoBo's you can likely support a max of 12 of those fans per each fan header on your motherboard with the appropriate power distribution boards or Y cables. If you decide to use different fans, that number can change wildly because each fan uses different amounts of power. Also note that the SP120 Performance edition (or if you remove the speed adjustor on the quiet edition) uses significantly more power and you would only be able to run 5 of those off a single header assuming that your MoBo can support 1A through the fan headers.

And like I said earlier, those numbers are more of a general overview of what most MoBos support today. Check with your manufactuer. Your specific motherboard may only support 0.5A on each fan header, which means you could only run 6 fans. Or they may support 1.5A which means it could support 18. If you try to plug in more than the header can handle you can do some damage.

[gamerking]

You could probably achieve that pretty easy. Every motherboard is different so what I say might next might not be 100% correct for you. You will likely need to confirm with your MoBo manufacturer what their fan headers are capable of.

With that said though most MoBo fan headers can support about 1A at 12V, or 12W of power. It looks like the SP120 Quite Editions that you listed pull 0.08A at 12V or about 0.96W. Which means on most standard MoBo's you can likely support a max of 12 of those fans per each fan header on your motherboard with the appropriate power distribution boards or Y cables. If you decide to use different fans, that number can change wildly because each fan uses different amounts of power. Also note that the SP120 Performance edition (or if you remove the speed adjustor on the quiet edition) uses significantly more power and you would only be able to run 5 of those off a single header assuming that your MoBo can support 1A through the fan headers.

And like I said earlier, those numbers are more of a general overview of what most MoBos support today. Check with your manufactuer. Your specific motherboard may only support 0.5A on each fan header, which means you could only run 6 fans. Or they may support 1.5A which means it could support 18. If you try to plug in more than the header can handle you can do some damage.

you forgot the startup spike can cause issues if you you a MB header .

 

shert73 you best bet would be to buy a fan controller . since burning out a MB header sucks ive done it before i put 6 sp120 HP  fans on a x58 and that was the end of that board. if you go pwm 4pin fans get a few swiftech 8 to 1 splitter only reads the pwm signal from 1 fan on the splitter and also gets the 12v line for the fans from either a sata power connecter or a molex . if you have a few headers that use pwm and you get pwm fans this is probably the cheapest . unless you buy a laptron/or another good brand one which cost upwards of 80$ . if you get 3 pin fans you need a fan controller most likely since they cant use a pwm splitter need only a 3 pin one .

 

i looked up your mb max is 1 a but thats only the cpu header doesnt list any for the other headers so if you use the MB headers do max 1a  per one . aim for 80% of that so you have the head room for the fans since there all not exactly the same, and for the startup since all fans pull a bit more at first.

[shert73]

you forgot the startup spike can cause issues if you you a MB header .

 

shert73 you best bet would be to buy a fan controller . since burning out a MB header sucks ive done it before i put 6 sp120 HP  fans on a x58 and that was the end of that board. if you go pwm 4pin fans get a few swiftech 8 to 1 splitter only reads the pwm signal from 1 fan on the splitter and also gets the 12v line for the fans from either a sata power connecter or a molex . if you have a few headers that use pwm and you get pwm fans this is probably the cheapest . unless you buy a laptron/or another good brand one which cost upwards of 80$ . if you get 3 pin fans you need a fan controller most likely since they cant use a pwm splitter need only a 3 pin one .

 

i looked up your mb max is 1 a but thats only the cpu header doesnt list any for the other headers so if you use the MB headers do max 1a  per one . aim for 80% of that so you have the head room for the fans since there all not exactly the same, and for the startup since all fans pull a bit more at first.

I know what PMW stands for but what's the difference between pmw and not pmw? Sorry im pretty new, this is my first build. And I dont wanna mess up 5k+ worth of stuff.

[EmeraldFlame]

you forgot the startup spike can cause issues if you you a MB header.

 

Yup I definitely should have mentioned this, I was just trying to give the extremes of what's possible and a basic understanding of the math involved.

 

I know what PMW stands for but what's the difference between pmw and not pmw? Sorry im pretty new, this is my first build. And I dont wanna mess up 5k+ worth of stuff.

3 pin fan control is done by DC control. In essence you change the voltage going to the fan and that changes its speed. Fans are designed to run at a mac of 12v.So if you wanted to run a fan at 50% for example you instead give it 6v. This has the advantage of normally being cheaper to implement, but has the downside that you may run into higher minimum speeds over an identical PWM fan.

PWM or 4 pin control works by always sending the full 12v, but varying the timing of it. In this mode if you want to make a fan spin at 50% you always send the 12v to it, but only for half the time. For example it may send power during one second but not the next and then repeat. In reality it switches many times faster than that, I was just trying to make it simple to understand. This is normally a little bit more expensive but normally offers a little bit finer control along with lower minimum speeds in many cases.

Both these are pretty simplistic explanations, but they should give you a decent idea on the process.

Edits: spelling, and fixing words. I wrote this on my phone at like midnight and holy crap this had a ton of mistakes