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[ShadowCaptain]

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A cheap intel board and pentium g3220 would do the job

 

Personally I am using windows server essentials but it is not cheap - you could use freenas for a free alternative!

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[Taswell]

Your Server falls under the category of File Server, Which is one of the bottom tiers Performance-wise.

 

With a Server You only really need to put the Money where it counts, That being the Processor,Hard drives, and in some cases RAM. 

 

Since you want a Backup Server i Would recommend getting a Raid Controller such as RocketRAID or a motherboard with an on-board Raid Controller.

 

 

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[MrKickkiller]

A cheap intel board and pentium g3220 would do the job

 

Personally I am using windows server essentials but it is not cheap - you could use freenas for a free alternative!

 

Do you have any quick tutorials or any UNDERSTANDABLE documentation about WSEssentials?

All I can find, is on the level of the seasoned operator.

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[ShadowCaptain]

Do you have any quick tutorials or any UNDERSTANDABLE documentation about WSEssentials?

All I can find, is on the level of the seasoned operator.

 

nope, I have no prior experience with a server OS (and I am shit at software) managed to set it up easy

[Taswell]

. Does CPU and RAM affect the file transfer speed performance. I have never built a server before like I said

A couple Things impact Transfer Speeds. CPU is obviously a player but not a huge one is this case, In a Server Hard Drives and Network Connections Is where all the money should be. 

 

RAM Should Be Considered When Any kind of Host Proccess is running, Basic Example: Minecraft Server (easiest example in the book) More Complicated Being Hyper-V. So no Ram Will not help that much

 

The Biggest Contributors to transfer speed is Network Connection and Hard Drives

(for all the people skimming)

 

 

The Server will Only go as fast as its Slowest Component, In the Build i Gave you I will admit the hard drives are not optimal, but i Don't think you would see much more of a benefit from anything more than that because of the Pentium.(or maybe im under-estimating the Pentium)

 

With my Build there is always the i5 into SSD RAID 1 Upgrade path though if you need some thing with more kick.

[MrBucket101]

If that includes hard drives you're going to be really disappointed

I would buy something like this, you don't need a rack to use it, I've got my rackmount case resting on an end table. Best way to get the most for your money. Otherwise you're going to be limited on the number of drives you can use.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=151659330323

This is everything you need to get off the ground running with a software raid array.

I'd stay away from windows, as its software raid solution is bad. Like REALLY bad. REALLY REALLY BAD. Go with Linux and use ZFS, or MDADM.

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CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($103.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Asus H97M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Blackout ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)

Other: LSI 9211-8i from eBay ($100.00)

Total: $498.95

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You could do something like this, just be sure to flash the 9211 to IT mode if it already isn't.

I wouldn't go lower than a core i3 for a couple of reasons. No ECC memory support (useful for ZFS), no hyper threading. The g3258 will get the job done, but if you decide you want to install PLEX to watch media on your mobile devices, or at home, the CPU will fall woefully short in terms of transcoding. The i3 won't excel at this task either but it will work.

With a lesser processor than the i3 you're just kinda stuck with only storage. The i3 gives you a lot more options.

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[Taswell]

Thanks for the tip My router/switch has support for 1GBPS transfer do you think i should bump up the Network card or would that just make little difference since im gonna be bottlenecked by my drives. I really cannot afford SSD's at the moment

Bumping the Network Card up would see some benefit with large File transfers. Most aftermarket motherboards are comming standard with Gigabit netowkring though so i don't know if its neccessary. 

 

I never mentioned the OS. Go with something along the lines of windows anything. File Sharing things with linux is a pain since windows and linux doesnt read the same file types on alot of stuff. Windows 7 Pro can give you Basic Terminal Services with RDP (accessing the Computer out of your home). That Requires some Port forwarding and other fun stuff in order to work, Could require you to do some research for that one.

 

This is everything you need to get off the ground running with a software raid array.

I'd stay away from windows, as its software raid solution is bad. Like REALLY bad. REALLY REALLY BAD. Go with Linux and use ZFS, or MDADM.

 

Software Raid Sucks, I hate it. I'm being blunt here I really don't like it. I'm a hardware Raid Fan boy because if the OS goes down Your Raid Arrays Does Not even after a OS re-install. thats My personal Preference though you can do what ever you want. 

 

P.S Rack-mount Servers Are not Necessary at all For home Use unless your planning on turning your house into a Data Storage Center =P

[MrBucket101]

I never mentioned the OS. Go with something along the lines of windows anything. File Sharing things with linux is a pain since windows and linux doesnt read the same file types on alot of stuff. Windows 7 Pro can give you Basic Terminal Services with RDP (accessing the Computer out of your home). That Requires some Port forwarding and other fun stuff in order to work, Could require you to do some research for that one.

Software Raid Sucks, I hate it. I'm being blunt here I really don't like it. I'm a hardware Raid Fan boy because if the OS goes down Your Raid Arrays Does Not even after a OS re-install. thats My personal Preference though you can do what ever you want.

P.S Rack-mount Servers Are not Necessary at all For home Use unless your planning on turning your house into a Data Storage Center =P

I don't know where you got all your information, but it is woefully inaccurate.

Take a look at the 10TB+ sticky. 36% of the systems are running Linux (including myself). File sharing on Linux is damn near the same as windows, if you run a GUI frontend, something a server doesn't need. Right click on the folder select properties, click on the sharing tab etc..If you're not running a frontend, you just install samba and point it towards your directory to be shared. Go read up on samba, its compatible with windows/Linux/Mac. I share files back and forth with my server daily with no issues. Just copy/paste. When accessing a share directory on a Linux machine, from a windows computer...the process is no different to the end-user. It just works. And that's just vanilla Linux, not counting something as sophisticated as FreeNAS where you configure it all from the web...with no differences. I could go on and on, but in the server space Linux doesn't have any real competitors.

Of the 102 systems in the 10tb+ sticky, only 23 of them run hardware raid (including myself). That's a pretty underwhelming number.

I have a hardware raid array in my server currently, and I previously ran a software raid setup in my last server. At the time I built my server 5ish years ago ZFS was just starting to mature and I didn't trust it enough with my data. It's come a long way since then and it is VERY much superior to hardware raid in just about every way. And this is coming from someone who runs hardware raid!

First and foremost, the details of your raid array are stored on the disk (same with MDADM). So you can actually migrate the array from one computer to next. All you do is move the drives over and reimport the drive pool. It's not married to anything. So you can switch your OS out on the daily and still have all your data and parity in tact.

The only area where ZFS is lacking is speed. And on a gigabit network, something 99% of us are going to be using for at least another 5 years, it's still plenty to saturate the connection. So the performance difference isn't even noticeable externally.

Hardware raid is pretty much dead in the storage server space...and ZFS killed it.

Rackmount servers are perfect for home use! Especially when you need more than 8 drives worth of storage lol.

[MrBucket101]

Thanks for the suggestion MrBucket101. I kinda don't have the budget for that since its $498 and still doesn't include the drives. Maybe i'll just stick to the Lower End one and just upgrade it in the future

Something like this would work. But it's a lot of money to spend for such a small amount of storage space. You can't really do much of anything with just two drives lol.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.98 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: Asus H81M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.00 @ B&H)

Storage: Western Digital Red 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.99 @ Best Buy)

Storage: Western Digital Red 3TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.99 @ Best Buy)

Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($26.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $522.92

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[Taswell]

I don't know where you got all your information, but it is woefully inaccurate.

Take a look at the 10TB+ sticky. 36% of the systems are running Linux (including myself). File sharing on Linux is damn near the same as windows, if you run a GUI frontend, something a server doesn't need. Right click on the folder select properties, click on the sharing tab etc..If you're not running a frontend, you just install samba and point it towards your directory to be shared. Go read up on samba, its compatible with windows/Linux/Mac. I share files back and forth with my server daily with no issues. Just copy/paste. When accessing a share directory on a Linux machine, from a windows computer...the process is no different to the end-user. It just works. And that's just vanilla Linux, not counting something as sophisticated as FreeNAS where you configure it all from the web...with no differences. I could go on and on, but in the server space Linux doesn't have any real competitors.

Of the 102 systems in the 10tb+ sticky, only 23 of them run hardware raid (including myself). That's a pretty underwhelming number.

I have a hardware raid array in my server currently, and I previously ran a software raid setup in my last server. At the time I built my server 5ish years ago ZFS was just starting to mature and I didn't trust it enough with my data. It's come a long way since then and it is VERY much superior to hardware raid in just about every way. And this is coming from someone who runs hardware raid!

First and foremost, the details of your raid array are stored on the disk (same with MDADM). So you can actually migrate the array from one computer to next. All you do is move the drives over and reimport the drive pool. It's not married to anything. So you can switch your OS out on the daily and still have all your data and parity in tact.

The only area where ZFS is lacking is speed. And on a gigabit network, something 99% of us are going to be using for at least another 5 years, it's still plenty to saturate the connection. So the performance difference isn't even noticeable externally.

Hardware raid is pretty much dead in the storage server space...and ZFS killed it.

Rackmount servers are perfect for home use! Especially when you need more than 8 drives worth of storage lol.

yes i know it all can work together if you want it to. I'm not a fan of linux servers or software Raid. Its a personal Preference thing. With hardware raid everything is stored on the raid card so it saves some configuration time and thats all. 

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That sounds good i'll go for it

you can overclock the G3258 on that mobo if you like, just get a Hyper 212 EVO

[StainlessSR]

For a smaller package to take up less space.

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3250 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($32.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.26 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.26 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 300W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($36.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $478.46

 

6 bay nas in a very small package

9.8" x 8.3" x 14.8"
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