which SDD and HDD

[Thenothing]

Hey should I get Samsung 850 evo 120gb HDD or kingston hyperX fury 120gb

And should I get seagate barracuda 2tb or western digital 1tb black

[Koffehh]

As for the ssd's I would lean towards the samsung, but if one of the 2 is significantly cheaper that would be my deciding factor. HD - how much space do u need? If you fill up you space with music and movies I would go with the latter.

[DeViLzzz]

Well after the bait and switch stuff with Kingston and SSDs I would not be buying their SSDs.  In regards to the hard drive situation there is nothing wrong with going Seagate as they definitely have a better price per GB than WD and have given me and many others no trouble.  Now in the Hot Deals section on LTT I think someone listed a 5 TB hard drive from Toshiba or something for $149 so if you want to take the plunge with that well that is a crazy value if the drive works out.

[asquirrel]

Get the samsung SSD, but if you can, spring for the 250G model. The reason why is simple, for ~$70 you get 2x the space. Hard drive: Western Digital. Their failure rates are around 4% on the 1TB drives, Seagate's 2TB drive failure rate is more like 10%.

[WoodenMarker]

At the same price, the 2TB Barracuda is a better value than the slightly faster Black. The 850 Evo is better than the Fury but it might not be the better choice depending on pricing.

Hard drive: Western Digital. Their failure rates are around 4% on the 1TB drives, Seagate's 2TB drive failure rate is more like 10%.

Source? Those seem like outrageous numbers.

Well after the bait and switch stuff with Kingston and SSDs I would not be buying their SSDs.

The switch only applies to the SSDNOW v300.

[DeViLzzz]

The switch only applies to the SSDNOW v300.

Even if it only applies to one of their products they broke trust with the consumers and thus at this time I would not buy or recommend an SSD from them.  Why give them money in SSD sales when there are other options?

[WoodenMarker]

Even if it only applies to one of their products they broke trust with the consumers and thus at this time I would not buy or recommend an SSD from them. Why give them money in SSD sales when there are other options?

Because their product can still be the best option..?

[asquirrel]

At the same price, the 2TB Barracuda is a better value than the slightly faster Black. The 850 Evo is better than the Fury but it might not be the better choice depending on pricing.

Source? Those seem like outrageous numbers. The switch only applies to the SSDNOW v300.

Your a staff mod and haven't seen this? http://www.extremetech.com/computing/198154-2014-hard-drive-failure-rates-point-to-clear-winners-and-losers-but-is-the-data-goodOh, ok, fair, it doesn't mention 2TB drives specifically, but the 3TBs are still at 11%, so the odds of me being wrong are tiny. I ask specifically because I've only copy-pasted that link to this forum oh...30 times? Non-enterprise seagate drives are cheap for a reason, yet people still keep spending money on them.

[WoodenMarker]

Your a staff mod and haven't seen this? http://www.extremetech.com/computing/198154-2014-hard-drive-failure-rates-point-to-clear-winners-and-losers-but-is-the-data-goodOh, ok, fair, it doesn't mention 2TB drives specifically, but the 3TBs are still at 11%, so the odds of me being wrong are tiny. I ask specifically because I've only copy-pasted that link to this forum oh...30 times? Non-enterprise seagate drives are cheap for a reason, yet people still keep spending money on them.

You've posted that link 30 times and haven't read the included link in the article? http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index.html#UX5OD0IAgPphmv71.99

It seems like you might have just skimmed the article and looked at charts as what you linked is similar to the Tweaktown article but mostly phrased differently.

[asquirrel]

You've posted that link 30 times and haven't read the included link in the article? http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index.html#UX5OD0IAgPphmv71.99

It seems like you might have just skimmed the article and looked at charts as what you linked is similar to the Tweaktown article but mostly phrased differently.

Cute. Ok. I'll bite. "During the Thailand flooding in October 2011, Backblaze had to go to extreme lengths to procure enough drives to sustain operations. ... They named the practice 'drive farming'." "At first they pillaged area Fry's and Costco's..." "Backblaze offered their readers a $5 bounty per drive for drives purchased and sent to them during a Costco sale." "Backblaze also acknowledges using drives that were known RMA's, and refurbished, in the sample pool." 

 

Ok, so in order to get their drives they bought the drives from the cheapest places they could. Drives that were known to be RMAed or refurbs. I fail to see how this is different from anyone else who buys from Newegg or Microcenter. Some drives are former RMA drives that are repaired, anyone can buy from the refurb stock if they choose.

 

Page 4 of the article mentions vibration as a large source of drive death. Reasonable. However if seagate drives were as well manufactured as Hitachi and WD they would see similarly increased failure rates among all three makers, not just one. Blackblaze's rack solution exacerbated problems, it did not create them. Additionally, apply some simple logic: if 70% of the drives are seagate and the rest are Hitachi/WD, where are the racks full of nothing of WD and hitachi? I bet there aren't any! The drives will be all mixed together in a rack together, meaning they will all share the shocks, bumps, and vibrations together. This points to inferior manufacturing or device firmware, NOT an unlucky smear.

 

Temperature: again, the 3 makers were all in racks together. "Oh, we don't have specific data!" doesn't matter when all 3 are intermixed.

 

Workload: This is the first legitimate argument the article has made. Yes, using any tool for a purpose it was not designed for is asking for failure. It's clear that Hitachi and WD drives are, in general, more robust at the cheapest levels than Seagate drives are. If you only ever plan to use your seagate hard drive in a cool room on a very well designed vibration canceling platform, go ahead, buy seagate. If you want to be able to use your hard drive without worry, pay the extra $5 for a Western Digital!

 

That tweaktown article does more to prove their data is correct than rebutt it as false. Let's play a game and swap some of the words around: 

 

 

In a room I place 5,000 people. 70% Chinese (seagate), 15% american (WD), and 15% African (HGST), then release mosquitoes (vibrations) carrying malaria. I provide food and water, but no medication, When I come back after a month, 70% of the chinese people are dead, but only 2% of the Americans and Africans are dead. (Reality sidenote: the Chinese and Americans would have similar mortality rates). Blackblaze claims that Malaria caused the Chinese to die off at an extreme rate due to no historical interaction with the virus, and thus few people with a genetic immunity. Americans and Africans both have had long-term exposure to the disease and have some level of genetic immunity to it, thus they fared much better. Tweaktown comes along and says we don't know the temperature of the room, whether people had beds or chairs, what clothing people were wearing, and finally points out briefly the genetic history with malaria. The article concludes that Blackblaze is clearly insane and should be ashamed of murdering 4000 people, and you don't need to carry malaria medication with you on your next vacation because of Blackblaze's report.

 

...Yeah, no. Seagate drives aren't awesome. Live with it.

[WoodenMarker]

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Ok, so in order to get their drives they bought the drives from the cheapest places they could. Drives that were known to be RMAed or refurbs. I fail to see how this is different from anyone else who buys from Newegg or Microcenter. Some drives are former RMA drives that are repaired, anyone can buy from the refurb stock if they choose.

The Seagate drives were more likely refurbs/salvaged from external drives than other WD or HGST drives.