Negative reinforcement thoughts?

[Jebonia]

I think I understand now. Not sure why I didn't at first.

 

Think about how they are phrased and it makes sense in how they work.

Positive reinforcement. Something positive happens to cause you to do the action more or less. 

Negative reinforcement. Something negative happens to cause you to do the action more or less. 

Punishment is simply a form of negative reinforcement and not a separate thing on it's own. Spanking being an example of reinforcing that something shouldn't be done. Reinforcement doesn't necessarily have to be to do something more, but just to reinforce either more or less of a behavior to occur.

Positive punishment is an oxymoron. :P Basically.

ohh god. everytime i read spanking, i think of a different type. not the punishment type. ;)

[Jebonia]

I think there should be a differentiation between consequences and negative reinforcement. In that example, your boss yells at you because you are not performing to what is being expected of you. You got hired because your resume says that you can perform to that expectation and if you slack off, you under perform and cause the company to lose money. All that being said, I admit that what I said is extreme. Reading all these post, I realize that of course positive reinforcement doesn't work always and negative might work sometimes. But I refuse to accept the idea of parenting/teaching with a constant use of negative reinforcement.

And thats fine mate. i didn't make this thread to change your mid about this. I made it to see other peoples views on it

[T.Vengeance]

And thats fine mate. i didn't make this thread to change your mid about this. I made it to see other peoples views on it

Yeah my bad. I looking back, I really don't know why I typed such an unnecessarily long, arduous response. I guess watching I Not Stupid sort of got me to realize how fortunate I am to move from Singapore and grow up in a North American culture, that dare I say has a balance of both negative and positive reinforcement (without sounding too pretentious)?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvK_3ObuuOo

 

The beginning of that ^ sums it all up (in the captions of course)

[bluepoodleguy]

Negative reinforcement doesn't work all the time but it works often enough. What  about our legal system? Some people that are penalized by the law (fines,imprisonment) cannot get with the program and are repeat offenders but the rest learn from the experience. Also the threat of negative reinforcement (deterrent) has an effect. That is people don't obey the law because the have some moral stance but the possibility of a penalty dissuades them. To effectively get people to act in desired manner requires a combination of both negative and positive reinforcement. 

[Dave :)]

I think I understand now. Not sure why I didn't at first.

 

Think about how they are phrased and it makes sense in how they work.

Positive reinforcement. Something positive happens to cause you to do the action more or less. 

Negative reinforcement. Something negative happens to cause you to do the action more or less. 

Punishment is simply a form of negative reinforcement and not a separate thing on it's own. Spanking being an example of reinforcing that something shouldn't be done. Reinforcement doesn't necessarily have to be to do something more, but just to reinforce either more or less of a behavior to occur.

Positive punishment is an oxymoron. :P Basically.

 

Positive reinforcement: Something desirable is given as a result of a desired action. EG: A child is given ice cream because they did their homework.

Negative Reinforcement: Something undesirable is taken away as a result of a desired action.

 

In both cases, the "reinforcement" is reinforcing a desirable action. Punishment is doing the opposite. This stems from Operant Conditioning read more here.

 

Punishment is not a form of negative reinforcement. Punishment is an undesirable action given as a result of an undesirable behaviour.

 

There does exist "positive" and "negative" punishment, both of which are outlined in the wiki article i linked above.