Win 8.1 won't boot after dead GPU removal

[peterpepo]

Hello,
my brother's graphics card died yesterday evening (it was MSI GTX780 3GD5, btw).

Today I laboured a bit, tried to pull components, run the pc with my psu, and found out that GPU is dead. The pc won't turn on at all - no fans, no error beeps nothing, while card installed in there.

 

Now I have removed it, but can't boot to windows 8.1 anymore. The OS is installed on SSD drive, secure boot is and also was disabled before, nothing fancy there.

When i turn the computer on, i get that rolling circle showing windows loading, then the screen remains blank (black). I turn off, then on and sometimes i get "Windows coudln't boot normally, blah blah" screen but it won't help.

 

Some ideas, how to fix this ? The installed CPU is 4770K, which should have integrated graphics. I also set it in bios for IGD. The motherboard is Z87-G45 gaming from MSI.

[Arty]

did u try safe mode?

[Sharif]

also try that recovery thingy 

forgot what its called but once your in the options you will find it somewhere 

[DeViLzzz]

Reset BIOS?

[thekeemo]

what mobo do you have

[peterpepo]

what mobo do you have

MSI Z87-G45 gaming

[thekeemo]

all I can think of is resetting the bios and/or windows also maybe try putting a spare old gpu to see where the problem is coming from.

[peterpepo]

Thanks for the assistance guys.
I reset the bios (although afaik only setting that has changed was XMP back to 1600 Mhz).

Anyway, i tried to boot, black screen again, so i reset the machine again, jumped into that fancy windows recovery (F8), chose some advanced and then booted up in the safe mode. Then after the restart i was able to boot into windows normally. Now i will download and install integrated GPU drivers until replacement card / RMA will be solved.

 

Btw, isn't that kinda weird ? My bro was playing battlefield, while the pc suddenly turned off (he describes it as: "I thought it was power loss"). In this scenario i would suspect PSU to be faulty.

But he was able to start the machine with mine Evga GTX780 no prob.

When i put his MSI in my rig, not even a tick after pressing power button. That card must be fried for good, because not even board powers up, nothing, no fans, no beeps, no click noise in psu. There must be short-circuit somewhere causing the Seasonic psu to disable totally.

I have weird feeling. I think, the card cannot break this way by "itself". I would think, that the psu fail and then it damages gpu. But as I say - my gpu in brothers rig = ok. Have you experienced something like this before ?

[SlayerOfHellWyrm]

Side note, why would you turn Secure Boot off?

[zsanfusa]

get the installer cd and either use it repair the boot issues, or you can always rollback the installation with system restore.

[peterpepo]

Side note, why would you turn Secure Boot off?

 

I built and installed his pc 1/2 year ago. I knew nothing about windows 8, at all. It is installed in bios mode, not uefi, also !

Brother wanted to start playing as fast as possible (Linus ? ). Today, I know that i need to reinstall it from the scratch - uefi and enable secureboot, but there was no spare time to do that yet.

 

We have same SSDs, almost same CPUs (4790k vs 4770k), almost same mobos (z97-g7 vs z87-g45), brother has faster ram.. But anyway - my uefi install boots much more faster. I need to reinstall his rig, but probably after he receives replacement gpu.

[SlayerOfHellWyrm]

I built and installed his pc 1/2 year ago. I knew nothing about windows 8, at all. It is installed in bios mode, not uefi, also !

Brother wanted to start playing as fast as possible (Linus ? ). Today, I know that i need to reinstall it from the scratch - uefi and enable secureboot, but there was no spare time to do that yet.

 

We have same SSDs, almost same CPUs (4790k vs 4770k), almost same mobos (z97-g7 vs z87-g45), brother has faster ram.. But anyway - my uefi install boots much more faster. I need to reinstall his rig, but probably after he receives replacement gpu.

SecureBoot works without UEFI, but it's good you know to have it on now. No reason to turn off an extremely secure feature. That being said, a 2nd start would definitely even things out.

[peterpepo]

Ok guys,
my brother's card is going for RMA tomorrow.
Is there any way to test the PSU ? Let's assume that they will accept rma. I don't want to plug the card back and risk of it being destroyed by psu "again".
His computer runs with my GPU fine, but that was with his card also.. It was runnig for over 1/2 year, and suddenly died. I still suspect the PSU to be source of problems.
So, can I test it ? I am experienced a bit in electronics, although i don't plan to open his PSU and measure components inside one by one.

 

I could imagine to test it out under load and measure supplied voltages. But how can I put it under load without being connected to expensive pc components ?

The next test would be to put it on osciloscope to measure voltage ripple, but i don't have access to such device.

[SlayerOfHellWyrm]

Ok guys,

my brother's card is going for RMA tomorrow.

Is there any way to test the PSU ? Let's assume that they will accept rma. I don't want to plug the card back and risk of it being destroyed by psu "again".

His computer runs with my GPU fine, but that was with his card also.. It was runnig for over 1/2 year, and suddenly died. I still suspect the PSU to be source of problems.

So, can I test it ? I am experienced a bit in electronics, although i don't plan to open his PSU and measure components inside one by one.

 

I could imagine to test it out under load and measure supplied voltages. But how can I put it under load without being connected to expensive pc components ?

The next test would be to put it on osciloscope to measure voltage ripple, but i don't have access to such device.

You can buy a PSU tester, they aren't too too pricey, although it depends on your budget.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899705003

That's a relatively cheap one, but I've seen them go way up in price.

[peterpepo]

You can buy a PSU tester, they aren't too too pricey, although it depends on your budget.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899705003

That's a relatively cheap one, but I've seen them go way up in price.

As this doesn't test PSU under load, i consider it useless.

I can test voltages in idle by starting the PSU via shorting aout pin 4 and 5 and then measure voltages. As this seasonic is single rail - on 12V, same on 5V, 3V probably also, there shoduln't be very much measuring. I can test it via electrical multimeter (those little devices to measure voltage / amperage / resistance).

No offense to you. I have also came over testers like this, but it is really just waste of money for me.

I need to put the PSU under load and then measure voltages.

 

Testers like you provided link to, are not even available in Slovakia, lol.

Thanks anyway.

[SlayerOfHellWyrm]

As this doesn't test PSU under load, i consider it useless.

I can test voltages in idle by starting the PSU via shorting aout pin 4 and 5 and then measure voltages. As this seasonic is single rail - on 12V, same on 5V, 3V probably also, there shoduln't be very much measuring. I can test it via electrical multimeter (those little devices to measure voltage / amperage / resistance).

No offense to you. I have also came over testers like this, but it is really just waste of money for me.

I need to put the PSU under load and then measure voltages.

 

Testers like you provided link to, are not even available in Slovakia, lol.

Thanks anyway.

The reality problem is, the voltages the PSU spits out, will always be the same for the most part. The only way to get an accurate measure of what voltage parts are receiving, would be to have a voltage read out point near the part, and measure it their, like OC boards tend to do. The whole point of the testers, is to tell you if there is any significant variance, or ripple that would be harder to spot with a multimeter. Regardless, your only other option at this point really, is to try an borrow someone's PSU to see if that one is the issue, or, take things to a tech, and have a professional do it.

[peterpepo]

The reality problem is, the voltages the PSU spits out, will always be the same for the most part. The only way to get an accurate measure of what voltage parts are receiving, would be to have a voltage read out point near the part, and measure it their, like OC boards tend to do. The whole point of the testers, is to tell you if there is any significant variance, or ripple that would be harder to spot with a multimeter. Regardless, your only other option at this point really, is to try an borrow someone's PSU to see if that one is the issue, or, take things to a tech, and have a professional do it.

Now the pc is working in emergency mode - with 4770k internal gpu just fine. No crashes, no freezing, everything is ok.

I tried putting brothers card in my rig. It won't start at all. When i put MY gpu in brothers pc, it worked, no crashes, no freezing.

 

My only cocncern is, that i don't believe that GPU fried "by itself". Yes, the GPU is dead and has already been sent for repair, but in my oppinion, there must be something else, what caused that gpu to fry.