Problem with GPU?

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hey guys, i need your help...

 

One day i turned on my old pc to do some work on it and this happened to me... 

 

 

Can anybody tell me what it could be? I´ll also post the specs and a foto of that PC

The specs are:

Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 2.53GHz

Gigabyte P35-DS3R mobo( i recently bought this from a friend of mine bcause my old one stoped working)

my GPu is an old Asus Nvidia Geforce 9400GT 512mb and is passively cooled

i use 4GB of ram and 3 HDDs in this PC...

 

 

Thanks guys for your response.

 

[The Crazed Child]

Try it it with a different monitor and if that doesn't fix it, it's a GPU-related issue.

[_´eNjoy]

i tried it already with an old CRT monitor using vga and it was the same... thanks, i thought it's GPU but wanted to be sure

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also.. will this setup be ok with a GTX 650ti or will the cpu bottleneck it? .. i also have a used 550ti so which one would be better iyo ?

[H4X3R]

also.. will this setup be ok with a GTX 650ti or will the cpu bottleneck it? .. i also have a used 550ti so which one would be better iyo ?

550ti will have less bottlenecking issues and if you can get it for less than a 650ti go for it

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i can get 550ti for 50€ and 650ti for 60€ so not much difference there

[Mateyyy]

If you already have a 550Ti, you should stick to it. The problem is from your GPU. If you really want to get it back working, maybe you could try the oven method..

[Syntaxvgm]

If you already have a 550Ti, you should stick to it. The problem is from your GPU. If you really want to get it back working, maybe you could try the oven method..

Be careful, but I do recommend this. It's a lot more consistent than using a heatgun, and usually doesn't break again in a few months like the heatgun methods tends to. 

Tell me if you need help doing it. 

[_´eNjoy]

If you really want to get it back working, maybe you could try the oven method..

 

Be careful, but I do recommend this. It's a lot more consistent than using a heatgun, and usually doesn't break again in a few months like the heatgun methods tends to. 

Tell me if you need help doing it. 

what is an oven method? never heard of it ..

[Mateyyy]

what is an oven method? never heard of it ..

It's basically leaving the graphics card in the oven and let the solders melt. I believe the process is called solder reflow.

Check out this video, I can't explain it very well 

[_´eNjoy]

It's basically leaving the graphics card in the oven and let the solders melt. I believe the process is called solder reflow.

Check out this video, I can't explain it very well 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK7RZjAC-qE

doesn´t look like working though anybody has any experience with it? 

[Markmjb]

So just to be clear, you did check both a different monitor as well as a different cable, right? 

And are you sure the graphics card is installed correctly?
I'm tired so I might be wrong at this point , but on the photo it looks like your graphics card is sticking on one side more than the other.

[Mateyyy]

doesn´t look like working though anybody has any experience with it? 

Yeah, I noticed  :lol:. From what I've read on the internet, people are having luck with this method, but I can't guarantee it. I never tried it. If you plan on doing it, you should search for guys using this method and see their results.

[Syntaxvgm]

doesn´t look like working though anybody has any experience with it? 

I've reflowed way too many things and most of the time it fixes the problem, though I normally only reflow things I'm pretty certain can be reflowed. 

This is something I posted on another forum-

 

 

If you are concerned about the GPUs dying, repaste them when you get it if the temps look high. Put some IC diamond on them, can't hurt. My GPUs are virgins to the screwdriver, as was most of the laptop and thus must have factory paste. But the temps are good, and I'm probably not gonna repaste. 

When I can tell you about is reflowing is that 4850m shouldn't have been reflowed more than once in this past year. If you reflowing it that much, you are likely doing it wrong... not trying to criticize not a lot of people do it right. 

I have reflowed things that work server years into the future. For example Reflowed my fat PS3 some years ago and gave it to a friend who used it way too much for a couple of years I think, and still works to this day even though i have it again and I don't use it way too much until recently as my other PS3 was stolen =(

Anyway constantt reflowing usually only happens if you didn't reflow it long enough with the right heat source. Don't use a heat gun. Doesn't cut it. Use a reflow oven. If you don't have access, use a regular oven. The temperature regulation isn't near as accurate people argue, but a heat gun is far worse. I usually reflow things in a regular oven for 8 or so minutes, at...it was either 325 or 375 Fahrenheit, I forget, I have it written down somewhere. Anyway oven reflowed things held up much better than the things I reflowed with a heat gun. Keep in mind with lead solder if you intend to cook food in the same oven, don't do it often and clean it like mad with a strong cleaner afterwords. 

If you don't want to do it in a regular oven, use a toaster oven. Keep in mind their temperatures aren't as accurate as an ovens usually, so maybe throw a temp probe in there and monitor it, controlling it manually. 

Since MXM cards are very expensive I have reflowed a lot of them, and I'd say 75% of them were fixed. (I've done at least 10 or so, and tons of onboard gpus)

A few things to keep in mind-

As you know reflowing is a last ditch effort. Don't rely on it working

Reflowing something too many times can damage the capacitors. 

Beside the rubber and obvious stuff, don't forget CMOS batteries on motherboards. The don't just leak. They explode. I forgot to remove one once, that was a surprise. 

If you have visual artifacts or a scrambled images or something from the GPU, a reflow might actually fix that. Most people think it's only for completely dead GPUs.

Since you have a scrambled image from your GPU, I'd wager that a reflow would be worth a try if nothing else works. Very common sign it needs it. usually caused by high heat over time. It can still work and be partially unseated. I would suspect this is the case since it is a passively cooled card. 

[_´eNjoy]

So just to be clear, you did check both a different monitor as well as a different cable, right?

And are you sure the graphics card is installed correctly?

I'm tired so I might be wrong at this point , but on the photo it looks like your graphics card is sticking on one side more than the other.

yes.. i used different crt monitor with a different vga cable ( on the one on the photo i use vga) and nothing changed.. i also repositioned my gpu a lot of times, screwed it, unscrewed it a lot of times and it still didnt work so its plugged ok..

also, now i remember, before it started doing this i setted up a new build using my old components(gpu, cpu, hdd etc. etc. with a different mobo, i reinstalled the os and as soon as i loaded windows for the first time ( the reinstalled one) i kept getting messages that my gpu driver have fallen and savelly recovered or something like that.. i'll try to find the correct name of the error on the net, but it had something to do with kernel (?) mode or something like that..

[Yummychickenblue]

Be careful, but I do recommend this. It's a lot more consistent than using a heatgun, and usually doesn't break again in a few months like the heatgun methods tends to. 

Tell me if you need help doing it. 

I didn't know the oven method was a thing I thought you referring to Tek Syndicates video.

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I've reflowed way too many things and most of the time it fixes the problem, though I normally only reflow things I'm pretty certain can be reflowed.

This is something I posted on another forum-

Since you have a scrambled image from your GPU, I'd wager that a reflow would be worth a try if nothing else works. Very common sign it needs it. usually caused by high heat over time. It can still work and be partially unseated. I would suspect this is the case since it is a passively cooled card.

so, i just baked it in the oven, putted it back and, unfortunately, it didnt help ..

temperatures are not a problem in my case since when i first installed the windows like 2weeks ago, i also installed prime 95, realtemp, msi afterburner and lots of this monitoring stuff and run a full stress test on the cpu aswell on the gpu and my temps were pretty good.. (you cant see it but i have a front 120mm intake to cool the hdd, which also pushes some air to the gpu, and a 160mm fan right next to the gpu on the side panel.....

my gpu didnt go over 50c on full load (i kinda dont believe thought, looks strange to me that an old passively cooled card has a 6degrees c difference between idle and load temperatures) t max temp for this gpu is like 100c.. and my cpu didnt go over 40c.. and its summer... 35c outside and 31c ambient.. and i run my cpu cooler than my ambient in idle.. so, airflow and bad cooling isnt really a problem here dont know what it could be... ill just probably buz the 650ti i talked about earlier from one friend of mine for 60€ and ill throw this old gpu somewhere

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this is the right name of the error i was getting..... "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered. - Display driver NVIDIA Windows Kernel Mode Driver, Version xxxxx (dont remember excactly what driver i had) stopped responding and has successfully recovered.".. does it have so,ething do to with this? i installed a new driver and i havent seen it from then but i havent been on that pc a lot so i dont know if the problem stayed or was fixed..

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hey guys, got an update here... so, i looked around in windows on my pc and found out, that in device manager i get this error in the GPU tab.. "Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)" ..also, i can´t use any other resolution than 800x600 what really annoys me .. also, i found out, that when i start MSI Afterburner, the software doesn´t recognize my card. Any ideas?