Helping plan my PC out

[Kododile]

Budget (including currency): At most $700 in upgrades

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Here's my current parts: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XHGp9K

I also have a Ryzen 5 5500 and motherboard for that with no DDR4 atm. I want to use that if I can, or get the AMD Ryzen 7 5700X.

 

Hello! I'm planning some PC stuff out and need a bit of help since I'm not really good with the parts stuff. 

One of the things I want to get into is VR. No idea if I want a Quest 3 hooked up to my PC or get that Valve Frame when it's out. But, would like an Nvidia RTX 5060 or Intel Arc B580 be good for that?

I also record gaming videos and stream off my PC. So I want a card that can handle doing that, and handle recording VR if that's heavier. 

Other uses for it is backup editing machine when my laptop isn't usable. (I have Adobe Premiere Pro 2019 on the desktop)

 

Some games I play are Minecraft, Fortnite, VRChat, and Marvel Rivals and the heavy ones. I have a 1920x1080 60hz monitor but I want to try to get a 2560x1440 monitor eventually. I like playing games on the highest settings if possible but I'm always happy to lower settings if I need to to make it run smooth.

 

Let me know if theres any more info you need!

[asdasdasdasdasdasd]

I have an RX 6600 which is very similar performance-wise to the B580.

 

I think my graphics card is perfectly fine for me, as I tend to play older games and some 2D titles as well. For example, I play Forza Horizon 4 on a 1440p monitor and I can get around 120fps consistently. If you planned on playing newer or more demanding games at 1440p, and you needed 100+ FPS, I would pick a better card.

 

I would definitely get a 1440p monitor as part of the upgrade, as I think it makes a large difference to your general experience playing.

[Kododile]

2 minutes ago, asdasdasdasdasdasd said:

I have an RX 6600 which is very similar performance-wise to the B580.

 

I think my graphics card is perfectly fine for me, as I tend to play older games and some 2D titles as well. For example, I play Forza Horizon 4 on a 1440p monitor and I can get around 120fps consistently. If you planned on playing newer or more demanding games at 1440p, and you needed 100+ FPS, I would pick a better card.

 

I would definitely get a 1440p monitor as part of the upgrade, as I think it makes a large difference to your general experience playing.

My monitor is like a 24" dell monitor that's got pretty bad colors. as an artist i just want something i can look at references on reliably lol (hobby art not prof lol)

[asdasdasdasdasdasd]

22 hours ago, Kododile said:

My monitor is like a 24" dell monitor that's got pretty bad colors. as an artist i just want something i can look at references on reliably lol (hobby art not prof lol)

Fortunately, good monitors aren't expensive. I am happy with my AOC monitor which I got for around £150, is 1440p, has 127% coverage of SRGB, and a 180hz refresh rate.

[BahnStormer]

TL;DR: assuming you have the 5500/5700X + decent AM4 motherboard, spend your money on: 
$300 on a GSkill RipJaws (3600MT/sec CL16)
$200 on a good NVME.
$200 on any budget 120Hz+ monitor recommended from Monitors Unboxed, possibly consider staying on 1080P though.

Long version:

Honestly, I think you're really going to struggle to get even an entry level VR system for that sort of money.

Do you know what motherboard you have?

Is the $700 for spending on stuff in addition to the AM4 motherboard and Ryzen CPU?

For gaming, the 5700X is a really significant step up from the 5500 - it has 32Mb L3 cache versus the 16Mb in the 5500 - it is a good upgrade from the 5500, but will it eat into your $700 budget?

If the motherboard you have is a B450/B550/X470/X570, then you will be fine on that board for a while.

RAM is stupidly expensive right now, so a reasonable memory kit (2x16Gb, DDR4 3200 CL16) is going to be over $250:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wWc48d/gskill-sniper-x-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gsxkb

..... and the 3600MT/sec kits with low latency will be ~$300 (to get the most out of any Ryzen 5000 series CPU):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

These kits were ~$100 6 months ago!

If you know what game you will be playing, you might be fine with 2x8Gb, which will halve that cost.

After that you would probably want an upgrade for an NVME: something like a Samsung 990Pro 1Tb is ~$200 - again, this was about $120 six months ago!

You have Windows and most of your applications on that, then install your games onto the old SSD.... again - it would be good to know what games storage you need as this will drive the storage decision.

I don't think it is worth upgrading your GPU: the GTX1080 is still a solid GPU with 8Gb VRAM already... having more is good for VR or 1440P gaming, if that is what you want to do, but most of your budget would be consumed it you wanted to buy any GPU with more VRAM... e.g. something like a RTX5060 is slightly faster, but $350 and only 8Gb VRAM.... and the AMD RX9060XT 16Gb starts around $430, with the RTX5060Ti 16Gb $475+.... be careful though as all of those cards also have 8Gb versions too, so they won't be much of an upgrade from a GTX1080... those prices are pretty volatile right now and vary dramatically per region.

Seriously consider a high refresh monitor - $150 or so can get you some great upgrades to 120Hz+ monitors, probably 1440P, but remember that 1440P needs double the GPU processing capacity of 1080P... check Monitors Unboxed for the latest reviews - he has VERY high standards, but normally have some budget options available too. 

[Kododile]

40 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

TL;DR: assuming you have the 5500/5700X + decent AM4 motherboard, spend your money on: 
$300 on a GSkill RipJaws (3600MT/sec CL16)
$200 on a good NVME.
$200 on any budget 120Hz+ monitor recommended from Monitors Unboxed, possibly consider staying on 1080P though.

Long version:

Honestly, I think you're really going to struggle to get even an entry level VR system for that sort of money.

Do you know what motherboard you have?

Is the $700 for spending on stuff in addition to the AM4 motherboard and Ryzen CPU?

For gaming, the 5700X is a really significant step up from the 5500 - it has 32Mb L3 cache versus the 16Mb in the 5500 - it is a good upgrade from the 5500, but will it eat into your $700 budget?

If the motherboard you have is a B450/B550/X470/X570, then you will be fine on that board for a while.

RAM is stupidly expensive right now, so a reasonable memory kit (2x16Gb, DDR4 3200 CL16) is going to be over $250:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wWc48d/gskill-sniper-x-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gsxkb

..... and the 3600MT/sec kits with low latency will be ~$300 (to get the most out of any Ryzen 5000 series CPU):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

These kits were ~$100 6 months ago!

If you know what game you will be playing, you might be fine with 2x8Gb, which will halve that cost.

After that you would probably want an upgrade for an NVME: something like a Samsung 990Pro 1Tb is ~$200 - again, this was about $120 six months ago!

You have Windows and most of your applications on that, then install your games onto the old SSD.... again - it would be good to know what games storage you need as this will drive the storage decision.

I don't think it is worth upgrading your GPU: the GTX1080 is still a solid GPU with 8Gb VRAM already... having more is good for VR or 1440P gaming, if that is what you want to do, but most of your budget would be consumed it you wanted to buy any GPU with more VRAM... e.g. something like a RTX5060 is slightly faster, but $350 and only 8Gb VRAM.... and the AMD RX9060XT 16Gb starts around $430, with the RTX5060Ti 16Gb $475+.... be careful though as all of those cards also have 8Gb versions too, so they won't be much of an upgrade from a GTX1080... those prices are pretty volatile right now and vary dramatically per region.

Seriously consider a high refresh monitor - $150 or so can get you some great upgrades to 120Hz+ monitors, probably 1440P, but remember that 1440P needs double the GPU processing capacity of 1080P... check Monitors Unboxed for the latest reviews - he has VERY high standards, but normally have some budget options available too. 

Woof. So I do have the motherboard already, its a Gigabyte B550M-K AM4, and I don't have the 5700X but do have that 5500. 

$250, woof. I supposed that'd be a good investment since when I had this system til recently on 8GB it was awful, but now with 16GB it's good. So thx for that RAM recommendation. 

What's the difference of a NVME and an SSD? My 500GB SSD seems just find, but if it's a huge difference I could definitely. 

For my GPU the thing I want is that DLSS thing cause that looks awesome. So I might not upgrade that though since like you said, they're too expensive. Does my 1080 not getting updates anymore break it later? But, thx for letting me know the multiple VRAM sizes. What's that do btw?

And I'm not including the monitor in this budget, that's a thing I'd like to do later. 1920x1080 can be a bit crammed while editing on my mac (video editing, art but 2nd monitor is for references, some games occasionally).

Will check out that website for some monitor reviews! o7

[-burninglaptop-]

12 hours ago, Kododile said:

What's the difference of a NVME and an SSD?

Well NVMe (non-volatile memory express) is a protocol of modern SSDs (basically the thing your drive uses to "comunicate"). It's way faster (about 10x) than SATA (the protocol used by your current drive from what I've seen). As a result of that, it makes your files transfer, save and open in a snappier manner. I checked your mobo's support page and paired with your 5000 series CPU it will support a PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 (it's a form factor of SSDs, think of it as the size and shape of the drive) NVMe SSD. While not the newest M.2 type, it still should give you a better experience should you decide to go for one.

 

12 hours ago, Kododile said:

Does my 1080 not getting updates anymore break it later?

AFAIK it doesn't "break" anything per se, but it means that you sadly won't be able to run DLSS - it's only available from 20xx up (RTX cards - yours is GTX) as you can see here. The 10xx series can't (from what I know) use any of it so that's a bummer in your case. Also if you're not getting the latest drivers (which if I understood correctly you said is the case), you probably could encounter some hickups normally resolved by newer versions. Your card is approaching a point at which it's becoming the absolute minimum to play the latest hot titles somewhat comfortably even at 1080p (take Clair Obscur's Steam requirements for example, which say that a 1060 with a worse CPU than yours and 8 GB of RAM allows for 1080p@30 fps at low settings).

 

12 hours ago, Kododile said:

multiple VRAM sizes. What's that do btw?

VRAM stands for video random-access memory. It's the RAM of your GPU, which allows it (in games) to cache more information to render. See here. Long story short, the more VRAM your GPU has, the better resolution and settings you can use while maintaining higher fps counts. Of course there are different factors that play into that, but VRAM is one of the most important ones. Again, 8GB is a very small amount of it (which could be solved by upscaling on a more modern GPU), so I'm affraid that 1440p (at reasonable framerate) might be a bit tough for your current setup. And VR even more so. Overall (and this is not me telling you what you should do, but rather what I'd do if I were you) it would be the most beneficial in this case to invest in a better GPU, especially if the objective of the upgrade is to get into 1440p and/or VR gaming.

 

Whatever you end up doing or buying, I sincerely hope that you'll be happy with the decision. Good luck :-))

[Kododile]

2 hours ago, -burninglaptop- said:

Well NVMe (non-volatile memory express) is a protocol of modern SSDs (basically the thing your drive uses to "comunicate"). It's way faster (about 10x) than SATA (the protocol used by your current drive from what I've seen). As a result of that, it makes your files transfer, save and open in a snappier manner. I checked your mobo's support page and paired with your 5000 series CPU it will support a PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 (it's a form factor of SSDs, think of it as the size and shape of the drive) NVMe SSD. While not the newest M.2 type, it still should give you a better experience should you decide to go for one.

 

AFAIK it doesn't "break" anything per se, but it means that you sadly won't be able to run DLSS - it's only available from 20xx up (RTX cards - yours is GTX) as you can see here. The 10xx series can't (from what I know) use any of it so that's a bummer in your case. Also if you're not getting the latest drivers (which if I understood correctly you said is the case), you probably could encounter some hickups normally resolved by newer versions. Your card is approaching a point at which it's becoming the absolute minimum to play the latest hot titles somewhat comfortably even at 1080p (take Clair Obscur's Steam requirements for example, which say that a 1060 with a worse CPU than yours and 8 GB of RAM allows for 1080p@30 fps at low settings).

 

VRAM stands for video random-access memory. It's the RAM of your GPU, which allows it (in games) to cache more information to render. See here. Long story short, the more VRAM your GPU has, the better resolution and settings you can use while maintaining higher fps counts. Of course there are different factors that play into that, but VRAM is one of the most important ones. Again, 8GB is a very small amount of it (which could be solved by upscaling on a more modern GPU), so I'm affraid that 1440p (at reasonable framerate) might be a bit tough for your current setup. And VR even more so. Overall (and this is not me telling you what you should do, but rather what I'd do if I were you) it would be the most beneficial in this case to invest in a better GPU, especially if the objective of the upgrade is to get into 1440p and/or VR gaming.

 

Whatever you end up doing or buying, I sincerely hope that you'll be happy with the decision. Good luck :-))

Thx for the explanation! Helps a lot.

[-burninglaptop-]

12 minutes ago, Kododile said:

Thx for the explanation! Helps a lot.

No problem, glad I could help. I'm quite new to the PC space myself, but there are many sources that help with getting new knowledge nowadays. I'm sure you'll know all this that I explained above in next to no time as it's no quantum mechanics, even though it might seem like it in the beginning ;-))

[BahnStormer]

16 hours ago, Kododile said:

What's the difference of a NVME and an SSD? My 500GB SSD seems just find,

Just to clarify this: "SSD" is just the generic name for any Solid State Drive... however, when people say "SSD", they normally mean the little 2.5" drive with a power cable and SATA cable connector, not the M.2 format normally used for modern drives (single circuit board that sits flat on the motherboard).

Those M.2 drive come in a variety of lengths: there were originall 2 types of slos, but these days they're pretty much all the same M.2 connector and the only differnece is the available space and the screw points for the different lengths. "2280" is the main length used for desktop pc's, but some laptops and handhelds go for smaller sizes like the 2230 (2280 = 80mm long, 2230= 30mm, etc).   

Back to SATA SSD versus NVME: internally the two drive types are actually VERY similar - they're both solid state both and very low latency.

The difference comes to the PCIe interface versus SATA cables:  SATA SSD's will max out at about 500-550Mb/sec... compared to a gen4 NVME, which typically hits around 6000-7000Mb/sec... so there's a noticeable difference with initial boot and large file transfers.

Don't get overwhelmed by those big numbers differences though: after Windows has booted and in MOST gaming scenarios, there isn't that much of a difference.

[BahnStormer]

16 hours ago, Kododile said:

Gigabyte B550M-K AM4, and I don't have the 5700X but do have that 5500

That's a nice solid AM4 motherboard - no need to upgrade that! I've still got a ASUS B450M Prime in one of my PC's! Mine is an even more entry level, even older ASUS equivalent that is running a Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32Gb RAM (DDR4 3600MT/sec CL14) and RTX4080Super... and it is FINE!!!

NB. Try to avoid mixing the RAM. Please don't make the same mistake I did when I first went to AM4: I bought 2 cheap sticks and then tried to add two more later - AM4 chips tend to behave badly like that (had to run them at much slower speeds, higher latency, etc)... far better just to get 2x16Gb straight away.

 

A 5700X would be a nice upgrade, but the 5500 will be fine for most scenarios.... 6 cores is plenty for almost all games (City Skyline and hosting Minecraft servers is the only scenario you need more than 6 cores for)... the cores won't be the problem, but the 5500 does have less L3 cache, so make sure you get decent* RAM.... this makes more of a difference the less L3 cache you have (slow RAM has almost no impact for the 96Mb on an X3D chip, but the 5600 and above have 32Mb cache... and the 5500 or any of the "G" chips only have 16Mb L3 cache).

*I would strongly recommend 32Gb (2x16Gb) of DDR4 3600MT/sec CL16 (or lower!) RAM... Ryzen 5000 chips get the best gaming performance with RAM that is at 3600MT/sec so do NOT pay extra for 3800MT/sec or 4000MT/sec.... the main spec after that, is the CAS latency / "CL" and the numbers here work in reverse... lower = better and you want the lowest latency you can find/afford... CL16/CL18 was the always most plentiful, with CL16 being the best performance, unless you paid a crazy amount extra for slightly lower latency. 

I know - I sound like a hypocrite, given I've got a 5800X3D and CL14 RAM, but I bought that RAM for a Ryzen 9 workstation that I was also using for gaming. This was about 5 years ago and  it was ~$100 for the CL16 RAM and nearly $500 for the CL14... when I replaced the workstation, I sold it without the RAM

[Kododile]

26 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

Just to clarify this: "SSD" is just the generic name for any Solid State Drive... however, when people say "SSD", they normally mean the little 2.5" drive with a power cable and SATA cable connector, not the M.2 format normally used for modern drives (single circuit board that sits flat on the motherboard).

Those M.2 drive come in a variety of lengths: there were originall 2 types of slos, but these days they're pretty much all the same M.2 connector and the only differnece is the available space and the screw points for the different lengths. "2280" is the main length used for desktop pc's, but some laptops and handhelds go for smaller sizes like the 2230 (2280 = 80mm long, 2230= 30mm, etc).   

Back to SATA SSD versus NVME: internally the two drive types are actually VERY similar - they're both solid state both and very low latency.

The difference comes to the PCIe interface versus SATA cables:  SATA SSD's will max out at about 500-550Mb/sec... compared to a gen4 NVME, which typically hits around 6000-7000Mb/sec... so there's a noticeable difference with initial boot and large file transfers.

Don't get overwhelmed by those big numbers differences though: after Windows has booted and in MOST gaming scenarios, there isn't that much of a difference.

Wowie that's a crazy difference. I think that'd help a lot with steam downloads. When I had that Ryzen 5 5500 in my PC I'd seen in task manager that my SSD (the kinda big one you mentioned) would be at 100%. So definitely something to get in the future!

[Kododile]

2 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

That's a nice solid AM4 motherboard - no need to upgrade that! I've still got a ASUS B450M Prime in one of my PC's! Mine is an even more entry level, even older ASUS equivalent that is running a Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32Gb RAM (DDR4 3600MT/sec CL14) and RTX4080Super... and it is FINE!!!

NB. Try to avoid mixing the RAM. Please don't make the same mistake I did when I first went to AM4: I bought 2 cheap sticks and then tried to add two more later - AM4 chips tend to behave badly like that (had to run them at much slower speeds, higher latency, etc)... far better just to get 2x16Gb straight away.

 

A 5700X would be a nice upgrade, but the 5500 will be fine for most scenarios.... 6 cores is plenty for almost all games (City Skyline and hosting Minecraft servers is the only scenario you need more than 6 cores for)... the cores won't be the problem, but the 5500 does have less L3 cache, so make sure you get decent* RAM.... this makes more of a difference the less L3 cache you have (slow RAM has almost no impact for the 96Mb on an X3D chip, but the 5600 and above have 32Mb cache... and the 5500 or any of the "G" chips only have 16Mb L3 cache).

*I would strongly recommend 32Gb (2x16Gb) of DDR4 3600MT/sec CL16 (or lower!) RAM... Ryzen 5000 chips get the best gaming performance with RAM that is at 3600MT/sec so do NOT pay extra for 3800MT/sec or 4000MT/sec.... the main spec after that, is the CAS latency / "CL" and the numbers here work in reverse... lower = better and you want the lowest latency you can find/afford... CL16/CL18 was the always most plentiful, with CL16 being the best performance, unless you paid a crazy amount extra for slightly lower latency. 

I know - I sound like a hypocrite, given I've got a 5800X3D and CL14 RAM, but I bought that RAM for a Ryzen 9 workstation that I was also using for gaming. This was about 5 years ago and  it was ~$100 for the CL16 RAM and nearly $500 for the CL14... when I replaced the workstation, I sold it without the RAM

Oooooo. Yeah I'd try to get 32GB then if I can! At least it's not AM5 where the RAM that uses I saw was like $600+. That'd be a case of use this old intel until it just falls apart LOL! So the Ryzen 7 5700X would be a worth upgrade to my PC? With that more L3 cache, right?

[BahnStormer]

5 hours ago, -burninglaptop- said:

it would be the most beneficial in this case to invest in a better GPU,

yes - this would be a good options: IF he had ~$1200 for good RAM, an entry level high refresh screen AND significant GPU upgrade like a RX9070XT (16Gb) or something along those lines...

For any of that to be realistic, he needs to get the AM4  motherboard and CPU (Ryzen 5 5500) working -  without the RAM, he's stuck on the i3 and then the higher end gaming is out of reach anyway (no money left for a 1440P high refresh screen).... even if he gets a bargain on the RAM (~$250?) and <$150 on the screen, there is only ~$300 left for the GPU.... as he will still end up with an 8Gb card again, with a maximum 30% uplift on performance.

I ran my old Gigabyte M27Q screen (1440P 170Hz) with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and GTX1660Super (6Gb, similar to a GTX1070) and it was maxing out (170fps) on Fortnite / Minecraft, etc.... a GTX1080 will not be the weak point.
 

16 hours ago, Kododile said:

the thing I want is that DLSS thing cause that looks awesome. So I might not upgrade that though since like you said, they're too expensive. Does my 1080 not getting updates anymore break it later?

You won't get DLSS on a GTX1080... but it will do some of the FSR equivalent upscaling. Remember that this just allows you to render everything at a lower resolution and then scale it up for a larger screen... it works best when:
a) you have a CPU that will actually drive the framerate (it still needs to render the game at 720P / 1080P)
b) you want to stretch the screen up to a much higher resolution, like 4K.

The card will keep working fine for what you have now. nVidia just aren't providing game optimisations for the latest releases, so if you're chasing the latest AAA games, it will get very poor performance for some games, but it is still a fundamentally strong card, so it should work for a while longer, especially on older games.

Higher VRAM just means you can enable the higher quality textures* without slowing the game down... on some games it will not slow it down at all between the lowest and higher quality textures... enable the Steam overlay with VRAM usage to see how close you are to those limits already:


*textures are the quality of the graphics that are used to wrap around the 3D shapes (i.e. how detailed the grain is on the wood / skin / foliage).

[BahnStormer]

24 minutes ago, Kododile said:

with steam downloads.

I wouldn't worry about that until you have >10Gbps broadband a a 9950X3D CPU... 

I've got several NVME drives and even on the 7800X3D rig, my Steam downloads are spending most of the "download" time CPU limited!

[BahnStormer]

25 minutes ago, Kododile said:

Ryzen 7 5700X would be a worth upgrade to my PC?

It would be a very nice upgrade, yes - especially if you are hosting Minecraft servers (8 cores!) and the higher speed, plus double the L3 cache does make a noticeable difference.

How much will it cost you though? If you can get one from a friend for $50, then go for it, but if you're going to pay $100-$150(?!), then just wait, there's better stuff we can do with that money: I'm just trying to find where you get the best a value out of $700 without wasting money on stuff that you will throw away with the next upgrade.

[BahnStormer]

I'm halfway to being onboard with @-burninglaptop-... in terms of having a GPU upgrade at SOME point... so if you're happy with the SATA SSD storage, then I think the best option is: RAM + 1440P high refresh screen... then save the last ~$200 to put towards a GPU upgrade.... but honestly, I think you're at LEAST $250 short to get decent RAM, monitor AND a meaningfully faster new GPU. 

My priority would be  32Gb of decent RAM: $270 (from MicroCentre) or $300 (from NewEgg)

You need ~$200 for a reasonable 27" 1440P high refresh screen... e.g. $180 for this MSI MAG275QF (from NewEgg)

The problem is that leaves ~$250 for a GPU.... and your next proper upgrades after a GTX1080 are:

2nd hand: RTX4070Ti Super (16Gb) is around $600, RTX4080 (16Gb) around $700.
New: RTX5070 (12Gb) / RX9070XT (16Gb)... $750+++

If you're really desperate for DLSS... and IF these are in stock, then the lowest I would consider as an actual upgrade would be a  RTX5060Ti 16Gb, but that is $430 at MicroCentre... or ~$500 at NewEgg....

[BahnStormer]

Check the prices in your area for any of these recommended screens - I don't think the affiliate links work any more, but I was able to find most of those at MicroCentre / NewEgg / Amazon:

Quote

Best Value Entry-Level
MSI MAG 275QF - https://geni.us/Ind4Gh
Asrock PG27QFT2A - https://geni.us/997k
Asus ROG Strix XG27ACS - https://geni.us/KqDRa
MSI G274QPF-QD - https://geni.us/EyRk8Q
Gigabyte M27Q2 QD - https://geni.us/8YmYN
Gigabyte M27Q3 - https://geni.us/Ibks

Taken from the Monitors Unboxed review (I've bookmarked the right section as he describes each of those in detail):

... sorry if I'm spamming this thread, but trying to address each point in turn rather than writing tonnes in one go 

[Kododile]

1 hour ago, BahnStormer said:

Check the prices in your area for any of these recommended screens - I don't think the affiliate links work any more, but I was able to find most of those at MicroCentre / NewEgg / Amazon:

Taken from the Monitors Unboxed review (I've bookmarked the right section as he describes each of those in detail):

... sorry if I'm spamming this thread, but trying to address each point in turn rather than writing tonnes in one go 

Yeah it's a lot to read, but I appreciate all the info and explaining rather than just posting a link and dipping LOL.