Need a new OS.

[Vectraat]

So my computer is running Windows 10, but I can't upgrade to Windows 11 which means this October I won't be getting anymore updates. I purchased my computer late 2019 so the thought of buying another one isn't overly appealing. I don't do much on it. Browse the web, YouTube, email, play a bit of WoW, Discord, WhatsApp and I use it to access my NAS/Shield and several different internal drives. I guess maybe that's a reasonable amount of things..... but is there anything I can do here or am I stuck having to get a new PC that can run Windows 11?

[KidKid]

5 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

So my computer is running Windows 10, but I can't upgrade to Windows 11 which means this October I won't be getting anymore updates. I purchased my computer late 2019 so the thought of buying another one isn't overly appealing. I don't do much on it. Browse the web, YouTube, email, play a bit of WoW, Discord, WhatsApp and I use it to access my NAS/Shield and several different internal drives. I guess maybe that's a reasonable amount of things..... but is there anything I can do here or am I stuck having to get a new PC that can run Windows 11?

Maybe some kind of Linux. Zorin Linux looks like Windows 11.

What part of your computer isn't compatible with Windows 11? If it's the CPU, I've cheated past those limitations before, running Windows 11 on a Windows 10 only CPU.

[Poinkachu]

6 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

but I can't upgrade to Windows 11

Why ?

[Vectraat]

8 minutes ago, KidKid said:

Maybe some kind of Linux. Zorin Linux looks like Windows 11.

What part of your computer isn't compatible with Windows 11? If it's the CPU, I've cheated past those limitations before, running Windows 11 on a Windows 10 only CPU.

[Vectraat]

8 minutes ago, Poinkachu said:

Why ?

Responded to someone else. Says TPM 2.0 not detected. See attached screenshot. 

[Poinkachu]

8 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

Responded to someone else. Says TPM 2.0 not detected. See attached screenshot. 

You can make a Windows 11 bootable installer thumbdrive with TPM and Secure Boot bypass.

 

Video below timestamped to where he begin to explain about how to bypass it

 

But yeah, if you have good PC-usage hygiene, most likely not getting any more updates of Windows 10 not gonna matter

[Vectraat]

3 minutes ago, Poinkachu said:

You can make a Windows 11 bootable installer thumbdrive with TPM and Secure Boot bypass.

 

Video below timestamped to where he begin to explain about how to bypass it

 

But yeah, if you have good PC-usage hygiene, most likely not getting any more updates of Windows 10 not gonna matter

Ah, does that mean I have to reinstall Windows?

I mean, could TPM 2.0 technically be in the BIOS and I just enable it or not likely?

[xAcid9]

Just stay with Windows 10? Why you need to jump ship so quickly?

[Tetras]

1 minute ago, Vectraat said:

I mean, could TPM 2.0 technically be in the BIOS and I just enable it or not likely?

Possible. What are the specs of the PC?

[Poinkachu]

4 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

Ah, does that mean I have to reinstall Windows?

I mean, could TPM 2.0 technically be in the BIOS and I just enable it or not likely?

Most people are using fTPM (Firmware TPM), which is embedded in firmware. If your CPU is modern enough it will have it, can't remember which generation of CPUs starts having fTPM2.0 though.

 

Whereas those little things he showed in the video is a physical module addon that contains an actual TPM chip.

 

 

[Vectraat]

4 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Possible. What are the specs of the PC?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hJZK6s

I have a different graphics card right now. GeForce RTX 3070 Ti

[Tetras]

Just now, Vectraat said:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hJZK6s

I have a different graphics card right now. GeForce RTX 3070 Ti

8/9th gen PCs have a firmware TPM available in the BIOS and are supported officially for Windows 11.

 

In some cases, a BIOS update may be required to expose the needed options.

 

Fair warning: these old PCs can be somewhat quirky when enabling secure boot, so I'd recommend you find a guide specifically for Gigabyte and have backups prior to flipping the switch.

[Vectraat]

11 minutes ago, Poinkachu said:

Most people are using fTPM (Firmware TPM), which is embedded in firmware. If your CPU is modern enough it will have it, can't remember which generation of CPUs starts having fTPM2.0 though.

 

Whereas those little things he showed in the video is a physical module addon that contains an actual TPM chip.

 

 

I dunno, my processor is supported for Windows 11. PC health check only complains about TPM 2.0

[Vectraat]

1 minute ago, Tetras said:

8/9th gen PCs have a firmware TPM available in the BIOS and are supported officially for Windows 11.

 

In some cases, a BIOS update may be required to expose the needed options.

 

Fair warning: these old PCs can be somewhat quirky when enabling secure boot, so I'd recommend you find a guide specifically for Gigabyte and have backups prior to flipping the switch.

8/9th gen PC's?

So just a Gigabyte BIOS update and then enable TPM 2.0 if it exists? Secure boot = enabling TPM 2.0?

Yeah, sounds dodgy and I dunno how comfortable I feel about that, but the alternative is spending a bunch of $ on a new PC that I don't need. 

[Tetras]

6 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

So just a Gigabyte BIOS update and then enable TPM 2.0 if it exists?

I'd look for the TPM first (can be listed under PTT), if available you don't need to do anything else.

 

7 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

Secure boot

I don't think you need it enabled to install Windows, but you do need it available. The checker didn't complain about this, so I'd just leave it be.

 

8 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

8/9th gen PC's?

Your PC is 8th/9th gen, CPU is 9th gen.

[Vectraat]

35 minutes ago, GeorgeB123 said:

You could run win 10 for some time even after they kill the official support. It won't really go crazy broken 2 days later. It will however become more and more vulnerable as months and years pass by. That being said, if you know what you're doing you could still be relatively safe despite the lack of security patches. It's not like win 10 is currently a very impenetrable OS anyways. Its security comes down mostly to the user behavior and the network environment it operates in.

 

On a side note, there are ways to extend the support of your current installation, some of which considered unnatural...look into LTS versions.

Also there are multiple bypass methods to install win 11 on an incompatible machine so you could look into that. What requirements do you not pass?

 

You could give Linux a go, maybe you'll like it, maybe not - depends on the kind of person you are, your technical knowledge and curiosity as well as (to a certain extend) the distro you choose (I'd go with something debian based like Ubuntu or PopOS or Mint - plenty of videos on youtube about that topic (you can learn more than enough there).

 

So there's a range of possible actions - from doing literally nothing for the next 1-2 years to jumping OS family ship.

Win 11 seems to be getting a bit better with time, but I'm still looking forward to a possible Windows 12 (hopefully it sucks less than 11).

Windows 11 seems questionable to me. I keep seeing headlines pop up about how X, Y, Z is broken and I've had to help my parents figure out workarounds to issues that have now been addressed. I was also quite pissed off at MS last year over a Windows 10 issue that they caused and refused to fix. So at one point last year I was considering a jump to Linux, but I'm a bit lazy for that and not everything is gonna work I recon. Can I run WoW on it? I mean even looking to get something relatively simple like my UPS up and running, it seemed like not every version of Linux was gonna work and then I'm thinking oh god do I now have to check every single program I use to see if it'll run on the version of Linux I wanna use? Lame?

[Poinkachu]

15 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

I dunno, my processor is supported for Windows 11. PC health check only complains about TPM 2.0

Well, is it (TPM) enabled / exist in BIOS ?

[Vectraat]

3 minutes ago, Tetras said:

I'd look for the TPM first (can be listed under PTT), if available you don't need to do anything else.

 

I don't think you need it enabled to install Windows, but you do need it available. The checker didn't complain about this, so I'd just leave it be.

 

Your PC is 8th/9th gen, CPU is 9th gen.

What is PTT? I'll have to check the BIOS when I wake up if that's what you mean. Haven't slept in a long time. Will report back if I see TPM 2.0. Seems odd that it wouldn't be enabled by default if I have it. If I see an option would you flip it or am I at risk of screwing something up? 

[Pusbucket]

1 hour ago, Vectraat said:

So my computer is running Windows 10, but I can't upgrade to Windows 11 which means this October I won't be getting anymore updates. I purchased my computer late 2019 so the thought of buying another one isn't overly appealing. I don't do much on it. Browse the web, YouTube, email, play a bit of WoW, Discord, WhatsApp and I use it to access my NAS/Shield and several different internal drives. I guess maybe that's a reasonable amount of things..... but is there anything I can do here or am I stuck having to get a new PC that can run Windows 11?

I just tried this utility, FlyBy11, to install Win 11 on my "tester machine" an Optiplex 790 with an i5-2500, actually twice.

first time keeping old stuff, then changed my mind and did a clean install.

So far no problems.

I was surprised how brain-dead simple it was and windows didn't complain at all

https://www.minitool.com/news/bypass-windows-11-system-requirements-with-flyby11.html

 

I will admit though that Win 11 on that old platform works, but feels "sluggish" compared to Win 10 on that platform.

As always do a full backup before trying it just in case.

 

[Tetras]

20 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

What is PTT?

It is just what Intel call the package that the TPM is bundled under, so it might be listed under that section.

 

20 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

Seems odd that it wouldn't be enabled by default if I have it.

Not odd, it is only since Windows 11 that motherboards ship with this enabled by default, prior to that it was disabled.

 

20 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

If I see an option would you flip it or am I at risk of screwing something up? 

Flipping the TPM should be safe, so long as you don't have Bitlocker encryption or Windows Hello enabled. Backups are still strongly recommended if you're messing with this stuff and switching/upgrading OS.

[KidKid]

1 hour ago, Vectraat said:

What is your CPU model? 

[Vectraat]

7 hours ago, KidKid said:

What is your CPU model? 

Intel Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

[Vectraat]

8 hours ago, jmwhite33 said:

I just tried this utility, FlyBy11, to install Win 11 on my "tester machine" an Optiplex 790 with an i5-2500, actually twice.

first time keeping old stuff, then changed my mind and did a clean install.

So far no problems.

I was surprised how brain-dead simple it was and windows didn't complain at all

https://www.minitool.com/news/bypass-windows-11-system-requirements-with-flyby11.html

 

I will admit though that Win 11 on that old platform works, but feels "sluggish" compared to Win 10 on that platform.

As always do a full backup before trying it just in case.

 

Hmm, do you feel that you can trust Flyby11.exe? 

Ok, so If I install Win 11 using this method it could feel "slow" ?

[KidKid]

7 minutes ago, Vectraat said:

Intel Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor

Check this link out https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement

[Vectraat]

12 minutes ago, KidKid said:

Check this link out https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement

Does it still work? Article is from 2022 and I have heard of MS patching different tricks to get Windows 11 up and running on non-supported machines. And what happens if I ever need to reformat? I need to do this every time and if they patch it at some point I'm screwed?