upgrading CPU and Mobo

[Commander_Z]

Hi guys,

 

So currently I run a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P AMD 760G mATX mobo with a FX-6300 CPU.

 

A friend of mine is wanting to sell his mobo and cpu, and upgrade to z97/4670k

 

His mobo is a Asus Crosshair V Formula Z AM3+, and the CPU is  8150

 

First question, he's offered both to me for $300, so should i go for it??

 

Secondly, is there much of a hassle, swapping out my mobo/cpu and upgrading to his without having to reinstall windows??

 

thanks

 

edit: the PSU i run is a Cooler master Silent Pro Gold 550W

[WyvernAbstracts]

windows gets attached to mobos so you probably will have to reinstall, it's a good deal for the price. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

i would not do that...the FX-8150 bulldozer is really not as good as piledriver based FX-8320 for example, you could get an FX-8320 and a descent motherboard (not a formula but something nice) for much less than 300$...also, yes you will have to re-install windows.

if you think you're ready for an upgrade you could try to sell your parts online and get something like this instead, brand new FX:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:  AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard:  Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $254.98
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-03 01:12 EDT-0400)

 

Do you have an aftermarket CPU cooler?

If not, cooler master hyper 212 (29$ or so..)

 

You have to understand that your friend's motherboard is very high-end and does worth a lot, but the CPu ain't that great...you will get much better performance going with an FX-8320 and overclock it on a very descent quality 990FX board like the M5A99X EVO...

[Commander_Z]

windows gets attached to mobos so you probably will have to reinstall, it's a good deal for the price. 

 ok, thanks, wasnt too sure on this

 

i would not do that...the FX-8150 bulldozer is really not as good as piledriver based FX-8320 for example, you could get an FX-8320 and a descent motherboard (not a formula but something nice) for much less than 300$...also, yes you will have to re-install windows.

if you think you're ready for an upgrade you could try to sell your parts online and get something like this instead, brand new FX:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:  AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($139.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard:  Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $254.98

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-03 01:12 EDT-0400)

 

Do you have an aftermarket CPU cooler?

If not, cooler master hyper 212 (29$ or so..)

 

You have to understand that your friend's motherboard is very high-end and does worth a lot, but the CPu ain't that great...you will get much better performance going with an FX-8320 and overclock it on a very descent quality 990FX board like the M5A99X EVO...

 I was considering z97/4670k as in ARMA 2/3 my fps isnt great all the time, thats what me and my friends play mostly, this was unexpected. I suppose if i was planning a build then i would jump at his offer

 

Do you feel your 6300 is limiting you in what you do with your PC? If not, there's no reason to upgrade. The 8150 probably performs the same as your 6300. 

 

If it does, you might want to look in to something different. For gaming in general, the 6300 is fine. If you do heavy multi-threading, you'd be better off looking in to high end Intel stuff if you want a significant boost. 

 In ARMA 2 and 3, the Fx-6300 does struggle

[Demonking]

Yes get that

[Demonking]

 ok, thanks, wasnt too sure on this

 

 I was considering z97/4670k as in ARMA 2/3 my fps isnt great all the time, thats what me and my friends play mostly, this was unexpected. I suppose if i was planning a build then i would jump at his offer

 

 In ARMA 2 and 3, the Fx-6300 does struggle

the 8350 struggles in arma 3 so either way no worries 

[Commander_Z]

i told him i'll pass on the mobo/cpu .

 

thanks for all your opinions etc

[i_build_nanosuits]

i told him i'll pass on the mobo/cpu .

 

thanks for all your opinions etc

fooshi is correct, ARMA run's bad on AMD and run bad on intel as well...only about 30% better on intel, i doubt it's worth to change platform entirely mostly that intel CPU's pricing are through the roof...

You would be better to just get those items and overclock the crap out of you FX to get the most out of it...and sell your 760 mobo:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($79.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $109.97

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-03 11:14 EDT-0400)

[Faa]

Maybe you guys should read next time, he's saying his friend is upgrading from a 8150 to a 4670k and the OP wants to buy that 8150.

​I wouldn't get that 8150 over your 6300, it's barely an upgrade actually just worse. 300$ it's just way too much, better off getting this instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($182.97 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-H81M-H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $227.96

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-03 11:22 EDT-0400)

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Maybe you guys should read next time, he's saying his friend is upgrading from a 8150 to a 4670k and the OP wants to buy that 8150.

​I wouldn't get that 8150 over your 6300, it's barely an upgrade actually just worse. 300$ it's just way too much

we did read and understood and it's exactly what we concluded.

[Faa]

we did read and understood and it's exactly what we concluded.

You mean "they"? Your post had zero logic/quality as usual. "Intel is only 30% better in Arma", so a 6300 overclocked at 5GHz will outperform a i5's IPC >.>

You barely realize the cause of their wacky performance/clock is due to their crappy IPC, why the hell should he spend another 110$ for literally a 20% IPC gain?

[i_build_nanosuits]

 

 "Intel is only 30% better in Arma", so a 6300 overclocked at 5GHz will outperform a i5's IPC >.>

where did i said it would be better than an i5? it would be 110$ minus the 40$ he could get for his old motherboard wich would make this a 70$ upgrade that would be worth it...hey, after all you suggested a 225$ upgrade that won't makes more sence either...why would he replace a CPU what is working flawlessly in 99% of the modern games out there?

[Faa]

where did i said it would be better than an i5? it would be 110$ minus the 40$ he could get for his old motherboard wich would make this a 70$ upgrade that would be worth it...hey, after all you suggested a 225$ upgrade that won't makes more sence either...why would he replace a CPU what is working flawlessly in 99% of the modern games out there?

 

 

fooshi is correct, ARMA run's bad on AMD and run bad on intel as well...only about 30% better on intel, i doubt it's worth to change platform entirely mostly that intel CPU's pricing are through the roof...

You would be better to just get those items and overclock the crap out of you FX to get the most out of it...and sell your 760 mobo:

 

You said intel is only 30% better -> 30% more IPC. If we follow that logic AMD would perform exactly the same as Intel or even better >.>

Tell me why the hell he should pay 110$ for some 20% IPC gain, thats just retarded. A i5 + h81 upgrade makes atleast sense, means the difference between running 20 fps vs 40 and not just 20 fps vs 23 when 6300 is oc'ed.

[Priller]

 

 

 

You said intel is only 30% better -> 30% more IPC. If we follow that logic AMD would perform exactly the same as Intel or even better >.>

Tell me why the hell he should pay 110$ for some 20% IPC gain, thats just retarded. A i5 + h81 upgrade makes atleast sense, means the difference between running 20 fps vs 40 and not just 20 fps vs 23 when 6300 is oc'ed.

 

 

Not sure how that logic makes sense. Chances are you are thinking in a different direction or thinking about something you are not actually typing.

[i_build_nanosuits]

 

 

 

You said intel is only 30% better -> 30% more IPC. If we follow that logic AMD would perform exactly the same as Intel or even better >.>

Tell me why the hell he should pay 110$ for some 20% IPC gain, thats just retarded. A i5 + h81 upgrade makes atleast sense, means the difference between running 20 fps vs 40 and not just 20 fps vs 23 when 6300 is oc'ed.

 

i play arma 3 and at stock i get about 40 to 50FPS on high settings, overclocked i get 50 to 60 FPS...so yes overclocking it will give him a great boost in every cpu intensive games...and NO a locked low clock speed haswell 4430 won't have twice the IPC of piledriver, nowhere near...neither does it have twice the single-threaded performance that you claim it has.

[Faa]

i play arma 3 and at stock i get about 40 to 50FPS on high settings, overclocked i get 50 to 60 FPS...so yes overclocking it will give him a great boost in every cpu intensive games...and NO a locked low clock speed haswell 4430 won't have twice the IPC of piledriver, nowhere near...neither does it have twice the single-threaded performance that you claim it has.

Pay another 20$ and you have it. Don't deny now their IPC isnt twice as fast.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-core-i7-3770k--4.8ghz--multi-gpu-gaming-performance/17494.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+vr-zone+(VR-Zone+%7C+Coolest+Gadgets+for+Men%2C+Geek%2C+Nerd%2C+Overclockers+and+Enthusiast)

Now lets use our video's you with your 8350 & 780 vs me with a 3930K & 780

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_MpCm2ZVnI

Seems like the evidence is literally slapping you in the face. Sources agreeing, video's agreeing etc etc yet you dont even stop your BS mister Ubisoft game developer

Lets go for another round again; http://anandtech.com/bench/CPU/344

A 4670k sitting at 1.7 and a 8350 at 1.07 - post me your cinebench score with cinebench core#0 & core#1 assigned lets see how well it scales and how bigger the gap gets when we compare 2 cores vs 2 cores from 1vs1. Dude seems to be claiming a 50% gain wops from 40 to 60fps with a 400MHz OC another lie as usual.

(1.32-1.07)/(1.07) * 100 = 23% - how the fuck are you moving from 40 fps to 60 with a 500MHz lower clock?

 

 

Not sure how that logic makes sense. Chances are you are thinking in a different direction or thinking about something you are not actually typing.

IPC is pulled from benchmarks, nobody monitors how many instructions there are going on thats useless.

[Commander_Z]

You mean "they"? Your post had zero logic/quality as usual. "Intel is only 30% better in Arma", so a 6300 overclocked at 5GHz will outperform a i5's IPC >.>

You barely realize the cause of their wacky performance/clock is due to their crappy IPC, why the hell should he spend another 110$ for literally a 20% IPC gain?

 

 

where did i said it would be better than an i5? it would be 110$ minus the 40$ he could get for his old motherboard wich would make this a 70$ upgrade that would be worth it...hey, after all you suggested a 225$ upgrade that won't makes more sence either...why would he replace a CPU what is working flawlessly in 99% of the modern games out there?

 

 

 

 

 

You said intel is only 30% better -> 30% more IPC. If we follow that logic AMD would perform exactly the same as Intel or even better >.>

Tell me why the hell he should pay 110$ for some 20% IPC gain, thats just retarded. A i5 + h81 upgrade makes atleast sense, means the difference between running 20 fps vs 40 and not just 20 fps vs 23 when 6300 is oc'ed.

 

 

 

i play arma 3 and at stock i get about 40 to 50FPS on high settings, overclocked i get 50 to 60 FPS...so yes overclocking it will give him a great boost in every cpu intensive games...and NO a locked low clock speed haswell 4430 won't have twice the IPC of piledriver, nowhere near...neither does it have twice the single-threaded performance that you claim it has.

 

 

 

Pay another 20$ and you have it. Don't deny now their IPC isnt twice as fast.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-core-i7-3770k--4.8ghz--multi-gpu-gaming-performance/17494.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+vr-zone+(VR-Zone+%7C+Coolest+Gadgets+for+Men%2C+Geek%2C+Nerd%2C+Overclockers+and+Enthusiast)

Now lets use our video's you with your 8350 & 780 vs me with a 3930K & 780

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_MpCm2ZVnI

Seems like the evidence is literally slapping you in the face. Sources agreeing, video's agreeing etc etc yet you dont even stop your BS mister Ubisoft game developer

Lets go for another round again; http://anandtech.com/bench/CPU/344

A 4670k sitting at 1.7 and a 8350 at 1.07 - post me your cinebench score with cinebench core#0 & core#1 assigned lets see how well it scales and how bigger the gap gets when we compare 2 cores vs 2 cores from 1vs1. Dude seems to be claiming a 50% gain wops from 40 to 60fps with a 400MHz OC another lie as usual.

(1.32-1.07)/(1.07) * 100 = 23% - how the fuck are you moving from 40 fps to 60 with a 500MHz lower clock?

 

 

IPC is pulled from benchmarks, nobody monitors how many instructions there are going on thats useless.

 

 

 

please guys, dont go attacking each other over this

 

I decided not to go with the friend's mobo/cpu at this stage

 

so thanks again for all your wonderful inputs