Nvidia 5000 series usage

[Artheriax]

I'm going to make this comment because someone has to. DLSS and Framegen is only useful for "non-competitive" games, take cyberpunk for example, there is a reason why they showed it off in the demo, because it's a "singleplayer" game. Very low latency is not necessary for such games and who knows maybe they will add Nvidia reflex 2 to Cyberpunk too and people won't have to keep complaining, not forget to mention the 5000 series are meant to be the apex in AI, not games, people that enjoy Stable Diffusion will really benefit from the blackwell chip, people that do computer graphics or use unreal engine 5 will also be very excited, so look at it with a realistic perspective, this series is not meant for any competitive use, the previous gen cards already should suffice in that regard.

[saintlouisbagels]

I don't think any real competitive gamer is looking at the RTX 5000 series or any high-end card.

It does not take a lot of GPU power to run high FPS on Esports games.

[porina]

There's nothing stopping it from competitive gaming usage either. If performance is higher, you get more "real" frames. If that helps a given player, why not? It is the same cost decision everyone has to make. If paying more for more performance worth it. Only the individual can answer that. We'll have to see actual benchmarks and pricing, but some models may out perform the GPU they're replacing at a lower price. For example, 5080 is likely faster than 4080S and cost about same or less.

[naylor2006]

Yeah agreed, for competitive gaming you just need the raw grunt. I play both CyberPunk and CS2 and the latter competitively (I am not a pro, I just like competitive), both at 1440p with max settings on a 4080. On a 180hz monitor the 4080 can suffice in CS2 without any AI etc, Cyberpunk on the other hand indeed to keep FPS over 100 with those settings I am using some of the 'helping hand' settings enabled (I forget what I specifically use), but you can tell, like its very good and I dont doubt DLSS4 is groundbreaking for whatever reason, but you can tell. So whilst the big marketing piece is that you can get 4090 performance for 579 with a 5070....this means very little other than DLSS4 is giving you lots more frames yo, but it wont look any better, it will look worse....One day Nvidia might just start displaying higher frame numbers hoping no one notices.

 

Personally I would much rather cards were capable of running games natively or games were effectively optimized to run on cards natively, which ever way around you look at it but maybe there are power/heat limitations to get that kind of performance.

 

9 minutes ago, saintlouisbagels said:

I don't think any real competitive gamer is looking at the RTX 5000 series or any high-end card.

It does not take a lot of GPU power to run high FPS on Esports games.

 

Dont the real competitive guys run at lower detail settings to promote higher frames anyway?

 

For me I am 'casually competitive', so I play Premier CS2 alot but I also like it to look the best it can whilst also maintaining 180FPS, so indeed a 4080 has been 'necessary', I like the challenge and teamwork but I dont stress about my rating or enter comps. Appreciate 'necessary' is a relative term and very much relative to my taste in this scenario.

 

I am going to get a 5080 though, hopefully finally I can switch off AI in Cyberpunk but I do fear that that game is just designed with DLSS in mind now and optimization of native play is lacking.

[Artheriax]

5 minutes ago, porina said:

There's nothing stopping it from competitive gaming usage either. If performance is higher, you get more "real" frames. If that helps a given player, why not? It is the same cost decision everyone has to make. If paying more for more performance worth it. Only the individual can answer that. We'll have to see actual benchmarks and pricing, but some models may out perform the GPU they're replacing at a lower price. For example, 5080 is likely faster than 4080S and cost about same or less.

That's the thing it's faster than the previous gen and the MSRP is 200 bucks lower too, so I don't understand wherever I go people complain about the "fake frames", but while it's still faster than previous gen.

[Artheriax]

6 minutes ago, naylor2006 said:

Dont the real competitive guys run at lower detail settings to promote higher frames anyway?

Yeah, people just want lower latency not actually higher frames, but Nvidia thought of it by creating Nvidia Reflex 2, but apparently that's still not good enough for some.

[naylor2006]

12 minutes ago, Artheriax said:

Yeah, people just want lower latency not actually higher frames, but Nvidia thought of it by creating Nvidia Reflex 2, but apparently that's still not good enough for some.

Well its needs more GPU grunt for a start, so its easier to just to lower settings. There is a warning when you switch it on with CS2, something along the lines of this may impact FPS or something.

[Poinkachu]

1 hour ago, saintlouisbagels said:

I don't think any real competitive gamer is looking at the RTX 5000 series or any high-end card.

It does not take a lot of GPU power to run high FPS on Esports games.

Some of them will.

Because 501 fps is better than 500