Strange ingame performance

[vanloson]

RTX 4070 dual PALIT

Ryzen 7 5700

2x16gb ddr4 3200mhz

TUF GAMING A520M - PLUS II

600W chieftec core 80+ gold

games on samsung nvme drive 1tb

windows is on SSD 120gb sata drive (good in crystal disk, 40gb free)

 

While playing elden ring on maximum preset with ray tracing on maximum get somewhat stable 60fps but game feels strange, doesnt feel smooth at all. GPU usage is pretty high around 90-98% CPU is working hard too getting around 60-80%

 

In CS2 starts the stupid %$#? 

On my old GTX 1660 super i was getting 150-200fps on low-medium settings 1280x1024 resolution.

Same settings now with 4070 i get 200-250 (sometimes 300 but rarely) with drops to 160. I mean the game is cpu bound but no boost from such an upgrade is stupid. And the main problem is that in monitoring programs GPU usage is at most 60% and CPU is sometimes like 30%

Was testing with full server of players.

 

RDR2 on all ultra got 90-100 fps in performance test which is a little lower than average in tests ive seen.

 

League Of Legends on the start of the match gets around 500fps which is great, but then into the game it drops to 130-200 fps, depends on the position of mars to venus I guess. CPU and GPU usage is low still not even hitting 40% in either cases.

 

Tested GPU in my homies build with ryzen 7700 and 2x8 ddr5 (idk the mhz) and a 700w psu and in CS 2 it got 450-500 fps on a full server. Also tested in elden ring, performance was around the same as on my pc but with no stuttering and overall felt smoother.

 

All the synthetic tests of GPU and CPU and memory are fine, they get normal scores, usually surpassing the average.

 

So my main question is am I really that CPU bottlenecked or is it anything else? 

all drivers are up to date, just reinstalled windows (factory settings) The last thing I think of is to formate the system disk but i doubt that'll help

[SpookyCitrus]

If you are playing at a 1080p or lower resolution you're CPU can't keep up with the GPU. Hence why it gets 60-80% usage and why your friends system with the 7700 does better.

 

You have two ways of remedying this. 1. Upgrade to a higher resolution monitor(1440p). or 2. Upgrade your processor.

[OddOod]

Welcome to the forums!
 

32 minutes ago, vanloson said:

1280x1024 resolution

Heck of a rig to plug into an old square monitor....
 

 

33 minutes ago, vanloson said:

I mean the game is cpu bound but no boost from such an upgrade is stupid

33 minutes ago, vanloson said:

CPU is sometimes like 30%

What's your Per Core usage like?
The game is CPU bound. No CPU upgrade, no improvement is kinda unsurprising. TBH it's remarkable you got a 25% boost. 

 

 

35 minutes ago, vanloson said:

So my main question is am I really that CPU bottlenecked or is it anything else? 

 

Probably. Might get some improvements with 3600 ram, but not really worth upgrading on a dead memory generation

[vanloson]

23 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

If you are playing at a 1080p or lower resolution you're CPU can't keep up with the GPU. Hence why it gets 60-80% usage and why your friends system with the 7700 does better.

 

You have two ways of remedying this. 1. Upgrade to a higher resolution monitor(1440p). or 2. Upgrade your processor.

just checked my sisters config ryzen 5600 and radeon 6600 with 32gb of ddr4 ram 3200mhz is getting more fps than me on Ancient) I get like 120 - 200 and she is well over 200fps

[vanloson]

22 minutes ago, OddOod said:

Welcome to the forums!
 

Heck of a rig to plug into an old square monitor....
 

 

What's your Per Core usage like?
The game is CPU bound. No CPU upgrade, no improvement is kinda unsurprising. TBH it's remarkable you got a 25% boost. 

 

 

Probably. Might get some improvements with 3600 ram, but not really worth upgrading on a dead memory generation

i play stretched, just used to it but as I answered before a worse overall rig is getting more fps on same settings on the same map, in some places i have drops to 120 fps which is just insane

[vanloson]

28 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

If you are playing at a 1080p or lower resolution you're CPU can't keep up with the GPU. Hence why it gets 60-80% usage and why your friends system with the 7700 does better.

 

You have two ways of remedying this. 1. Upgrade to a higher resolution monitor(1440p). or 2. Upgrade your processor.

also 80 % usage is only in elden ring in cs its gets as low as 25-30% i said it in the topic itself

[SpookyCitrus]

5 minutes ago, vanloson said:

also 80 % usage is only in elden ring in cs its gets as low as 25-30% i said it in the topic itself

I understood that. Yeah.

 

Is your sister's rig hooked up to a different resolution monitor? Same with your friends? Or are you lugging your monitor around to test it with them too?

 

From what i can tell from the info given you're resolution bottlenecked with your system. Upgrading to a higher resolution monitor should help. If your sister has a different resolution monitor than you maybe test your system on it and see if it improves it.

[vanloson]

1 minute ago, SpookyCitrus said:

I understood that. Yeah.

 

Is your sister's rig hooked up to a different resolution monitor? Same with your friends? Or are you lugging your monitor around to test it with them too?

 

From what i can tell from the info given you're resolution bottlenecked with your system. Upgrading to a higher resolution monitor should help. If your sister has a different resolution monitor than you maybe test your system on it and see if it improves it.

same resolution just a different refresh rate thats it, no fps caps or anything like that, I tried changing every setting in the system but nothing helped. My friend is using the same monitor as me so i dont think it really matters

 

I really doubt that a worse gpu should get better performance in lower resolution, this doesnt make sense to me

[vanloson]

Just now, vanloson said:

same resolution just a different refresh rate thats it, no fps caps or anything like that, I tried changing every setting in the system but nothing helped. My friend is using the same monitor as me so i dont think it really matters

 

I really doubt that a worse gpu should get better performance in lower resolution, this doesnt make sense to me

right now i am changing videocards from my pc to my sisters and hers to mine, will check if anything changes

[vanloson]

14 minutes ago, vanloson said:

right now i am changing videocards from my pc to my sisters and hers to mine, will check if anything changes

so now CS2 is running in the same 1280 1024 res same settings ryzen 5600 with rtx 4070 and it is getting 300+ sometimes 400+ fps.

I dont understand what is happening

On my rig with ryzen 5700 it is 150-250 max

[SpookyCitrus]

10 minutes ago, vanloson said:

same resolution just a different refresh rate thats it, no fps caps or anything like that, I tried changing every setting in the system but nothing helped. My friend is using the same monitor as me so i dont think it really matters

 

I really doubt that a worse gpu should get better performance in lower resolution, this doesnt make sense to me

What make and model chieftech power supply do you have? They've got some pretty crappy units, a couple on the Avoid page of the PSU tier list. If it's one of those and the PSU is no good your GPU might not be getting enough power.

[vanloson]

4 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

What make and model chieftech power supply do you have? They've got some pretty crappy units, a couple on the Avoid page of the PSU tier list. If it's one of those and the PSU is no good your GPU might not be getting enough power.

chieftec core 600w 80plus gold, mby about 2-3 years old

[vanloson]

5 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

What make and model chieftech power supply do you have? They've got some pretty crappy units, a couple on the Avoid page of the PSU tier list. If it's one of those and the PSU is no good your GPU might not be getting enough power.

I think about it right now, PSU might be the real enemy here

[SpookyCitrus]

25 minutes ago, vanloson said:

I think about it right now, PSU might be the real enemy here

That model is in Tier C(Low End). It is likely it may be the culprit. If I were in your shoes I'd make sure to rule out software first(make sure all drivers and updates are current, get drivers from your motherboards manufacturer webpage including bios, all Windows updates, etc), but the PSU being the problem is more likely now that we know it's a low quality unit and a few years old.

 

Prior to replacing it if software isn't the problem maybe test your sisters PSU in your system to confirm.

[vanloson]

1 hour ago, SpookyCitrus said:

That model is in Tier C(Low End). It is likely it may be the culprit. If I were in your shoes I'd make sure to rule out software first(make sure all drivers and updates are current, get drivers from your motherboards manufacturer webpage including bios, all Windows updates, etc), but the PSU being the problem is more likely now that we know it's a low quality unit and a few years old.

 

Prior to replacing it if software isn't the problem maybe test your sisters PSU in your system to confirm.

Good point, but also a strange thing is when I test both GPU and CPU at the same time they use all 100% with good wattage  and the results are fine, but in games it is all over the place and really strange. 

 

Also here are stats in league. It isnt using neither the cpu nor the gpu)

 

 

Is it possible that PSU struggles with low watts only? Cause while testing it is using all 200watts and is very stable but at low usage it is stupid as hell. Idk if it makes sense but it is just my guess.

 

I think i`ll test it with another PSU. Will post updates later. Thank you for your help for now

[xAcid9]

15 hours ago, vanloson said:

so now CS2 is running in the same 1280 1024 res same settings ryzen 5600 with rtx 4070 and it is getting 300+ sometimes 400+ fps.

I dont understand what is happening

On my rig with ryzen 5700 it is 150-250 max

Try run Cinebench r23 single core test on both PC and compare the result. 

[OddOod]

16 hours ago, vanloson said:

a worse overall rig is getting more fps on same settings on the same map

I'm a little confused on how a 7700 with DDR5 is an "overall worse rig" than a 5700 running DDR4. 
Also, do set your Task Manager CPU graph to Logical Cores so you can see that there is one core running flat out, bottlenecking your experience. 

[vanloson]

3 hours ago, OddOod said:

I'm a little confused on how a 7700 with DDR5 is an "overall worse rig" than a 5700 running DDR4. 
Also, do set your Task Manager CPU graph to Logical Cores so you can see that there is one core running flat out, bottlenecking your experience. 

worse overall rig is 5600 with radeon 6600 and it is getting more fps than me

[vanloson]

17 hours ago, vanloson said:

Good point, but also a strange thing is when I test both GPU and CPU at the same time they use all 100% with good wattage  and the results are fine, but in games it is all over the place and really strange. 

 

Also here are stats in league. It isnt using neither the cpu nor the gpu)

 

 

Is it possible that PSU struggles with low watts only? Cause while testing it is using all 200watts and is very stable but at low usage it is stupid as hell. Idk if it makes sense but it is just my guess.

 

I think i`ll test it with another PSU. Will post updates later. Thank you for your help for now

so I tested with good 850w psu and nothing changed at all, so its not the psu. Its either motherboard which is unlikely, ram or cpu. 

[vanloson]

4 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

Try run Cinebench r23 single core test on both PC and compare the result. 

first one is 5700 (1451) 

 

this is 5600 (1463)

 

For some reason mine is a little slower? Only reason here i see is that 5600 is using a better paste thats all. Both are box configs so coolers are the same

[vanloson]

Reinstalled windows cleared all the shit that stockpiled over the years. Nothing really changed

 

 

I really doubt that on this setup I should be getting 170 fps) None of the cores are even close to 100%.

I am just out of options. what can be wrong here

[xAcid9]

16 hours ago, vanloson said:

Reinstalled windows cleared all the shit that stockpiled over the years. Nothing really changed

 

I really doubt that on this setup I should be getting 170 fps) None of the cores are even close to 100%.

I am just out of options. what can be wrong here

What about BIOS setting? Did you turn on PBO or any other option that make the processor boost the highest on single core?

[vanloson]

On 12/18/2024 at 10:08 PM, vanloson said:

RTX 4070 dual PALIT

Ryzen 7 5700

2x16gb ddr4 3200mhz

TUF GAMING A520M - PLUS II

600W chieftec core 80+ gold

games on samsung nvme drive 1tb

windows is on SSD 120gb sata drive (good in crystal disk, 40gb free)

 

While playing elden ring on maximum preset with ray tracing on maximum get somewhat stable 60fps but game feels strange, doesnt feel smooth at all. GPU usage is pretty high around 90-98% CPU is working hard too getting around 60-80%

 

In CS2 starts the stupid %$#? 

On my old GTX 1660 super i was getting 150-200fps on low-medium settings 1280x1024 resolution.

Same settings now with 4070 i get 200-250 (sometimes 300 but rarely) with drops to 160. I mean the game is cpu bound but no boost from such an upgrade is stupid. And the main problem is that in monitoring programs GPU usage is at most 60% and CPU is sometimes like 30%

Was testing with full server of players.

 

RDR2 on all ultra got 90-100 fps in performance test which is a little lower than average in tests ive seen.

 

League Of Legends on the start of the match gets around 500fps which is great, but then into the game it drops to 130-200 fps, depends on the position of mars to venus I guess. CPU and GPU usage is low still not even hitting 40% in either cases.

 

Tested GPU in my homies build with ryzen 7700 and 2x8 ddr5 (idk the mhz) and a 700w psu and in CS 2 it got 450-500 fps on a full server. Also tested in elden ring, performance was around the same as on my pc but with no stuttering and overall felt smoother.

 

All the synthetic tests of GPU and CPU and memory are fine, they get normal scores, usually surpassing the average.

 

So my main question is am I really that CPU bottlenecked or is it anything else? 

all drivers are up to date, just reinstalled windows (factory settings) The last thing I think of is to formate the system disk 

so after all of this I decided to just get a refund, buy something like am5 7600 with ddr5. Hopefully this will fix the problem) Thanks everyone for your help, unfortunately i didnt fix my problem but at least i got the money back)

[vanloson]

On 12/24/2024 at 5:31 PM, vanloson said:

so after all of this I decided to just get a refund, buy something like am5 7600 with ddr5. Hopefully this will fix the problem) Thanks everyone for your help, unfortunately i didnt fix my problem but at least i got the money back)

so if anyone interested. Buying 7500f with ddr5 6000mhz on a decent motherboard did the trick. Now the performance is much better even tho the CPU isnt that much more powerful. Not sure why is it exactly but i`m glad it does well now.