hp prebuilt upgrade question

[ki8aras]

hey everyone!

i recently got a hp prodesk 400 g5 sff from ebay (i3 8100, 8gb, 256gig ssd) and im building it into a server/homelab.

 

i was looking at hardware upgrades, and the problem im running into is that i can't figure out if 9th gen is supported or not

any insight into this issue?
 

[OddOod]

1 hour ago, ki8aras said:

can't figure out if 9th gen is supported or not

On the one hand, it probably isn't
On the other hand, the performance difference between a 9700k and 8700k is negligible
On the third hand, you will likely have to upgrade the cooling if you go with an i7

[DRKGMR-A]

it uses the FCLLGA1151 socket so u can upgrade or downgrade to any of these processors (in list):

u give me motherboard name and maybe we can filter it more based on chipset 
and then just compare which of those proccessors is a worth performance boost on ur current one 

[ki8aras]

15 hours ago, OddOod said:

the performance difference between a 9700k and 8700k is negligible

it really isnt considering the 9700k has two extra cores

[ki8aras]

4 minutes ago, DRKGMR-A said:

it uses the FCLLGA1151 socket so u can upgrade or downgrade to any of these processors (in list):

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/search/featurefilter.html?productType=873&1_Filter-Family=122139&1_Filter-SocketsSupported=3582

u give me motherboard name and maybe we can filter it more based on chipset 
and then just compare which of those proccessors is a worth performance boost on ur current one 

its a b360 chipset
attached is all the info cpuz provides

[OddOod]

6 hours ago, ki8aras said:

its a b360 chipset

I understand, but it's an OEM which means there is a solid chance that 9th gen just won't work. Not saying don't try, just that you shouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work. I've even had towers that somehow locked out i7's in the same generation. 
 

6 hours ago, ki8aras said:

it really isnt considering the 9700k has two extra cores

Yeah, you'd think that would matter. But it *really* doesn't move the needle much. Seriously. Look at reviews from the time. It's about 5% difference. 


Ultimately, if you have a friend who can lend you a 9th gen chip, give it a go, I'd be curious. But an 8700k is currently selling for 90$ on ebay, while 9700ks are going for 110. To me a 20% cost increase isn't worth a 3-6% performance uplift. 
 

[ki8aras]

2 hours ago, OddOod said:

Yeah, you'd think that would matter. But it *really* doesn't move the needle much. Seriously. Look at reviews from the time. It's about 5% difference.

if you're talking about gaming, then yea i can see why the performance increase would be minimal
i'll try to find something used from someone who accepts returns,

 

if i ever have enough money to splurge on this system and decide to go 9th gen, i would try a 9900k, since i guess this is the true alternative to the 8700k
(the best of each generation i mean)

then again i could have a piece of memorabilia with the 8086k

[DRKGMR-A]

10 hours ago, ki8aras said:

its a b360 chipset
attached is all the info cpuz provides

[ki8aras]

1 hour ago, DRKGMR-A said:

that sounds like a yes
can i get a link to it?

[Echothedolpin]

1 hour ago, ki8aras said:

that sounds like a yes
can i get a link to it?

It’s going to be solely dependent on whether the HP OEM bios supports it not whether the socket supports it.

 

I’m not certain, but that screenshot just looks like a list of processor supported by the socket in general not specific to that motherboard.

[2dfx]

OP you say you’re turning this into a homelab/server. What exactly do you intend on running?  That will narrow down your choices. 
 

You’re a little light on RAM to be using it for a NAS already. 

[-rascal-]

4 hours ago, DRKGMR-A said:

 

3 hours ago, ki8aras said:

that sounds like a yes
can i get a link to it?

 

Your LIMITING factor is IF HP's custom BIOS supports 9th Gen or not.

Non-OEM motherboard (e.g. retail board from...ASUS, Gigabyte, etc) WILL support 9th Gen with a BIOS update.

At the end of it all, the Chipset means nothing, if the board manufacturer does not have a BIOS update to support it.

 

Difference between 9th and 8th Gen is Intel's Tom Foolery.

8th Gen i7, like the i7-8700K, is a 6-core chip, but it HAS Hyper-Threading --> i7-8700K is 6-cores 12-threads.

9th Gen i7, like the i7-9700K, is 8-cores, but NO Hyper-Threading --> i7-9700K is 8-cores 8-threads.

You HAD to go up to the i9 (e.g. i9-9900K) to get Hyper-Threading back....

And then Intel brought Hyper-Threading back with the 10th Gen...assuming after some backlash.

 

IMO people who went with the 14nm+++++ 9th Gen got shafted.

[toasty99]

17 hours ago, ki8aras said:

it really isnt considering the 9700k has two extra cores

The 8700k is actually the CPU with the better multi-core performance by a tick hypothetically. It has hyperthreading with 6 cores and 12 threads.

 

The 9700k has no hyperthreading so it is 8 cores and 8 threads. 

 

In the real world in workloads using all the threads, performance is basically the same obviously. Same with lower core count workloads... Ultimately it's just a wash. 

[ki8aras]

6 hours ago, toasty99 said:

The 8700k is actually the CPU with the better multi-core performance by a tick hypothetically. It has hyperthreading with 6 cores and 12 threads.

 

The 9700k has no hyperthreading so it is 8 cores and 8 threads. 

 

In the real world in workloads using all the threads, performance is basically the same obviously. Same with lower core count workloads... Ultimately it's just a wash. 

after looking at cinebench numbers, yea thats kinda true, the 8086k is a bit faster tho
(although with a 60 euro premium for it over the 8700k, i dont think im gonna go for it)

[ki8aras]

9 hours ago, 2dfx said:

OP you say you’re turning this into a homelab/server. What exactly do you intend on running?  That will narrow down your choices. 
 

You’re a little light on RAM to be using it for a NAS already. 

yea i know, ill upgrade the ram before i do anything with the cpu