Prebuilds and GPU options

[CDR_Xavier]

I had Jayz's video on the background while I was playing around with a very sad Lenovo Ideapad Slim 1-14AST-5.

Because I watch LTT videos first. And if I had extra I might pull up some random stuff.

Unrelated but asking for 280 euro for manufactured eMMc ewaste is quite ambitious. It doesn't even run chrome OS, at least android emulation would have been quite neat.

 

But anyhow. His video is sponsored by NZXT. Which last time I remember, also sponsored some LTT content.

And then you have Build Redux, even Origin PC. I say, across all 3, over 90% of the GPU choice is Nvidia. Or, say, all of the GPU choice is Nvidia, minus like a 7900XTX.

 

It's not like AMD don't make graphics cards? Or Intel don't make graphics cards.

 

ibuypower's configurator tool is extremely massively overwhelming, but there is quite a bit of AMD options (even though it's only the 7800 and 7900 and X and XT and XTX variants)

(looks up) they have a 7600 base. huh. And they carry a Asrock Challenger Arc A380.

 

Because we all know that Nvidia is over 80% of desktop gpu. And I think it's more than SKU and storefront alone.

 

And Intel barely sold more than 50,000. They only just about sold out the limited edition Arc 750s. I got maybe the last of those.

 

So even if I have been like, at least not totally oblivious enough to go to Dell or Hp for a PC, because I heard "amd good" and I wanted to get an AMD GPU, I still have basically no option.

Although Asus and Msi have some prebuilds that are more .. gamer flavored. At least in term of price and performance.

 

What's the significant difference of buying a prebuild and an OEM pc? I know most OEM pcs are dried-up husks of their former selves (Alienware and Hp especially), but like, wow. This is just depressing. Maybe LTT should start to make prebuilds. You can be the only one making AMD prebuilds.

 

 

Unrelated Supermicro content

Spoiler

This make Supermicro gaming pc .. ok. $1700 for i5-13600K, 16GB DDR5-4800, 240GB PM893 SATA SSD and some cheap supermicro keyboard is quite a terrible deal. But you are getting quite a banger of a chassis. And it come with a 750W.

 

What is supermicro charging for $!700? The drive is like, $30. A 3060 is $450, which while expensive doesn't seem.. ok it'd better be a heck of a 3060. What is it? I guess PNY, as they also make quadros. that's quite a sad looking 3060. Their chassis *is* very expensive, though. And so are quality motherboards.

how much is the chassis ... woah its $450 on amazon. ok.
seasonic focus though. no industrial Liteon or AbleCom. Disappointment.

 

[cekcons]

16 minutes ago, CDR_Xavier said:

Maybe LTT should start to make prebuilds.

Probobly they won't. :D.

 

Prebuilt selling is more complicated than you think. 

When you sell just parts you don't have to give support to a customer when they give no signal after building it.

They just covers their own product and they wont troubleshoot if you send entire pc.

This seems like a small expense but its more than you think. Because not everyone has knowlage even for basic pc using.

I had several customers that couldn't get in to google because they only had edge with yandex on it. Or plugging in to mobo instead of gpu.

Each call can go up to 30 minutes if not more !

Also they need to cover any shipment damage or and damage on the warranty period.

Its harder to troubleshoot entire pc rather than one hardware.

These prices build up and they still need to earn money from it. Which increased this prices.

 

Reason why they go mostly nvidia is simple . Give customers what they want.

Don't tell me "amd is also good". I know it is good. But 10 out of 9 customers asks nvidia gpu in my small shop. So my friends do as well.

 

[monopoly_hater]

It’s probably bribes by Nvidia. Just like Intel pays manufacturers bribes not to use AMD 

[monopoly_hater]

1 minute ago, cekcons said:

Probobly they won't. :D.

 

Prebuilt selling is more complicated than you think. 

When you sell just parts you don't have to give support to a customer when they give no signal after building it.

They just covers their own product and they wont troubleshoot if you send entire pc.

This seems like a small expense but its more than you think. Because not everyone has knowlage even for basic pc using.

I had several customers that couldn't get in to google because they only had edge with yandex on it. Or plugging in to mobo instead of gpu.

Each call can go up to 30 minutes if not more !

Also they need to cover any shipment damage or and damage on the warranty period.

Its harder to troubleshoot entire pc rather than one hardware.

These prices build up and they still need to earn money from it. Which increased this prices.

 

Reason why they go mostly nvidia is simple . Give customers what they want.

Don't tell me "amd is also good". I know it is good. But 10 out of 9 customers asks nvidia gpu in my small shop. So my friends do as well.

 

Linus himself has mentioned this. It really is a questionable business model.

[CDR_Xavier]

30 minutes ago, cekcons said:

Probobly they won't. :D.

I know they probably won't, all the warranty stuff. But maybe they should. For the tech community. I don't know how profitable it would be, though.

30 minutes ago, cekcons said:

support to a customer

This is exactly why I think it's a lot more fair to compare them to OEMs -- on paper, they are both finished, complete systems that you can have next to your desk for at least the next 5 years or more, collecting in all the lovely dust and wildlife that is unfortunately enough to wander too close to the intake fans.

 

29 minutes ago, anirudthelinuxwIzard said:

It’s probably bribes by Nvidia.

If it is, it's working almost unreasonably well.

 

30 minutes ago, cekcons said:

I had several customers that couldn't get in to google

That is quite tragic. But then maybe they don't need a PC?

 

30 minutes ago, cekcons said:

But 10 out of 9 customers asks nvidia gpu in my small shop.

I guess the 30 year of reputation builds up.

(looks at AMD 50th anniversary USB stick)

hm.

 

I'm not actually an AMD fanatic. I don't even own the AMD 50th Anniversary 5700XT. And, in fact, daily an Arc A750 LE. Not that Sapphire made one. They made the 590 anniversary instead. AMD OEMed some 5700xts with metal accents on the fan, as seen on the USB stick. We don't talk about how I received this specific combo of box and content, but we don't talk about that.

 

I just think Nvidia doesn't exactly deserve 80%, given how they treat their small customer base. But if anything we saw over the last few years mean anything, no company care. Which is quite a interesting (albeit, highly realistic) statement.

Maybe beside Framework, but thats still private.

[monopoly_hater]

4 minutes ago, CDR_Xavier said:

I know they probably won't, all the warranty stuff. But maybe they should. For the tech community. I don't know how profitable it would be, though.

This is exactly why I think it's a lot more fair to compare them to OEMs -- on paper, they are both finished, complete systems that you can have next to your desk for at least the next 5 years or more, collecting in all the lovely dust and wildlife that is unfortunately enough to wander too close to the intake fans.

 

If it is, it's working almost unreasonably well.

 

That is quite tragic. But then maybe they don't need a PC?

 

I guess the 30 year of reputation builds up.

(looks at AMD 50th anniversary USB stick)

hm.

 

I'm not actually an AMD fanatic. I don't even own the AMD 50th Anniversary 5700XT. And, in fact, daily an Arc A750 LE. Not that Sapphire made one. They made the 590 anniversary instead. AMD OEMed some 5700xts with metal accents on the fan, as seen on the USB stick. We don't talk about how I received this specific combo of box and content, but we don't talk about that.

 

I just think Nvidia doesn't exactly deserve 80%, given how they treat their small customer base. But if anything we saw over the last few years mean anything, no company care. Which is quite a interesting (albeit, highly realistic) statement.

Maybe beside Framework, but thats still private.

No public company gives a single shit, most private companies don’t either.  As you said framework is an exception but I’m too poor to buy one lmao.

[DeerDK]

This topic has been up before. It ain't going to happen. 

There are so many things that can go wrong, and the customers are so price conscience that a few bucks may change their buying decision. 

An LTT pre-built would be a pricey boutique product, so it would not be for the masses. And then the major point about improving the market is already lost. Not to mention the logistics for service and warranty ect. 

[LogicalDrm]

On 8/1/2024 at 8:47 AM, CDR_Xavier said:

What's the significant difference of buying a prebuild and an OEM pc?

OEM = prebuild. If you are asking whats the alternative, those would be boutique builds or custom prebuilds where you pick each part yourself. They will also list the manufacturers of each part, unlike OEMs where you are buying Intel or AMD for CPU and Nvidia or AMD for graphics, and the rest of the parts are seemingly nameless. Of those companies mentioned, Redux atleast at one point was using off-the-shelf parts and thus would have brands of each part. Meaning that you could check prices separately and see whether it was a good deal or not.

 

On 8/1/2024 at 8:47 AM, CDR_Xavier said:

 

Maybe LTT should start to make prebuilds. You can be the only one making AMD prebuilds.

Linus has pretty much answered this. In every season of Secret Shopper. And more specifically when they reviewed Starforge PC.

 

Besides, he already has stocks of laptop company that has AMD line-up.

[LogicalDrm]

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