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ArushM

I currently have an i5-13600K that I oc'ed. Any recommendations for coolers, I currently have an NHD15S (the older model) but the chip hitting 220W under load (prime95 small FFTs) makes the thing still hit 105C and it concerns me. Am I fine where I am now or should I invest in a new cooler or just get a contact frame. I am not interested in going with super exotic cooling methods like custom loop or anything but Ice Giants stuff seems attainable and has good performance. As for the rest, it's undervolted 75 millivolts and overclocked by 200 MHz on both the p and e cores in XTU. I am also open to messing with things in BIOS.

TLDR: Lower temps through BIOS or cooler recommendations

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Can't go wrong with an NHD15 and that phase change stuff they have on lttstore.com, or just noctuas NTH1 paste 

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Doesn't sound economical to me to spend a lot on a cooler for a 13600K.

 

Prime95 is the most extreme scenario. What will you be doing with your PC? If you're just playing games, it's really pointless. Well it is pointless in general to OC a 13th/14th gen im my opinion as those chips are already giving you a lot. You have more to gain by devolting it. You have to consider why you would even neeed this OC for and what practical difference is it going to make.

 

You may not even have a usecase like Prime95 in anything that would even push your CPU that hard. Unless you're doing something that would utlize your CPU at 100% at long periods of times each day. You're probably in 60c and 70c while gaming.

 

All in all, I would just try to adjust the core voltage( lower) for some better temps and potentially slightly higher synth benchmarks. That's all, no extra spending needed.

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5 minutes ago, GreenShellMac said:

Can't go wrong with an NHD15 and that phase change stuff they have on lttstore.com, or just noctuas NTH1 paste 

I already have liquid metal, and the NDH15S is hitting 105C that is my issue

1 minute ago, Jon-Slow said:

Doesn't sound economical to me to spend a lot on a cooler for a 13600K.

 

Prime95 is the most extreme scenario. What will you be doing with your PC? If you're just playing games, it's really pointless. Well it is pointless in general to OC a 13th/14th gen im my opinion as those chips are already giving you a lot. You have more to gain by devolting it. You have to consider why you would even neeed this OC for and what practical difference is it going to make.

 

You may not even have a usecase like Prime95 in anything that would even push your CPU that hard. Unless you're doing something that would utlize your CPU at 100% at long periods of times each day. You're probably in 60c and 70c while gaming.

 

All in all, I would just try to adjust the core voltage for some better temps and potentially slightly higher synth benchmarks. That's all

Core voltage is already down 75 millivolts, I am using the PC for F@H, AutoCAD, and gaming so the extra power is nice. I agree that its not that smart to get a new cooler but what about something like a contact plate or maybe just some settings I can change to get better temps.

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So while there are better coolers than the NH-D15S, it's still good enough that going for something higher end doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you already own one. A contact frame might help a bit, though the degree to which they help is diminished on air coolers do to most air coolers having relatively convex bases that match the concavity of the stock ILM. I wouldn't really bother installing one unless you're water cooling. 

 

Personally, if its stable, I wouldn't really worry about those temps. Prime95 is a very unrealistic workload, and so hitting 105C in that would mean that everything else should be at 95C and lower which is plenty safe for the CPU. Set a custom TJMax in the BIOS to something lower if you're really worried about it. 

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1 minute ago, RONOTHAN## said:

So while there are better coolers than the NH-D15S, it's still good enough that going for something higher end doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you already own one. A contact frame might help a bit, though the degree to which they help is diminished on air coolers do to most air coolers having relatively convex bases that match the concavity of the stock ILM. I wouldn't really bother installing one unless you're water cooling. 

 

Personally, if its stable, I wouldn't really worry about those temps. Prime95 is a very unrealistic workload, and so hitting 105C in that would mean that everything else should be at 95C and lower which is plenty safe for the CPU. Set a custom TJMax in the BIOS to something lower if you're really worried about it. 

Ok, thanks, any settings that I can adjust to get the temps any lower (BIOS or XTU) 

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1 hour ago, ArushM said:

Ok, thanks, any settings that I can adjust to get the temps any lower (BIOS or XTU) 

Not without losing performance. You could set some power limits and/or temperature limits in the BIOS that will cause it to not hit whatever max temp you want, but in the workloads where it would hit that max temp the frequency will throttle down accordingly. 

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16 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Not without losing performance. You could set some power limits and/or temperature limits in the BIOS that will cause it to not hit whatever max temp you want, but in the workloads where it would hit that max temp the frequency will throttle down accordingly. 

Ok thanks

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Hey @RONOTHAN## @Jon-Slow

What are your opinions on LLC modes to reduce voltage and therefore power output for lower temps. Im seeing lots of conflicting things on the internet. Or is 1.2V already low enough

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7 hours ago, ArushM said:

I currently have an i5-13600K that I oc'ed. Any recommendations for coolers, I currently have an NHD15S (the older model) but the chip hitting 220W under load (prime95 small FFTs) makes the thing still hit 105C and it concerns me. Am I fine where I am now or should I invest in a new cooler or just get a contact frame. I am not interested in going with super exotic cooling methods like custom loop or anything but Ice Giants stuff seems attainable and has good performance. As for the rest, it's undervolted 75 millivolts and overclocked by 200 MHz on both the p and e cores in XTU. I am also open to messing with things in BIOS.

TLDR: Lower temps through BIOS or cooler recommendations

You could also just not overclock it. The performance you're gaining is all probably placebo and it doesn't make a difference.

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5 hours ago, ArushM said:

What are your opinions on LLC modes to reduce voltage and therefore power output for lower temps. Im seeing lots of conflicting things on the internet. Or is 1.2V already low enough

They more help if you're doing a static voltage, not so much an offset like it sounds like you're doing. It also heavily depends on the motherboard how these need to be setup, and realistically unless you're on a no-VDroop LLC setting it's not like its going to notice that much of a difference in voltage. 

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On 6/9/2024 at 2:17 AM, ArushM said:

I currently have an i5-13600K that I oc'ed. Any recommendations for coolers, I currently have an NHD15S (the older model) but the chip hitting 220W under load (prime95 small FFTs) makes the thing still hit 105C and it concerns me. Am I fine where I am now or should I invest in a new cooler or just get a contact frame. I am not interested in going with super exotic cooling methods like custom loop or anything but Ice Giants stuff seems attainable and has good performance. As for the rest, it's undervolted 75 millivolts and overclocked by 200 MHz on both the p and e cores in XTU. I am also open to messing with things in BIOS.

TLDR: Lower temps through BIOS or cooler recommendations

  1. BCF (bend correction frame) from Thermal Grizzly or Thermalright (can't vouch for the off-brand ones) is critical to protect your CPU from warping.
  2. Try adding an extra fan to the D15S. It's not going to win with just one fan. Failing that, look at the top air coolers for Intel. I'd suggest the Thermalright Frost Spirit 140 if it'll fit, the Phantom Spirit 120 if it won't, the DeepCool AK620 or Assassin IV (not to be confused with the assassins from other brands), and other strong 2 tower air coolers. If that fails, you're down to an AIO or custom loop.
  3. Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet has an initial price that's a bit high ($30ish) but it doesn't break down and can be transferred to another build and reused for years. Honeywell PTM7950, which is sold on LTT Store, is a phase-change material and, while it cannot be transferred or reused, it will last a long time and does very well after you bake it (see instructions).

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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I didn't think my D14 was very good.

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40 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I didn't think my D14 was very good.

Hide all your TR coolers and you will. 😉

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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On 6/9/2024 at 12:17 AM, ArushM said:

I currently have an i5-13600K that I oc'ed. Any recommendations for coolers, I currently have an NHD15S (the older model) but the chip hitting 220W under load (prime95 small FFTs) makes the thing still hit 105C and it concerns me. Am I fine where I am now or should I invest in a new cooler or just get a contact frame. I am not interested in going with super exotic cooling methods like custom loop or anything but Ice Giants stuff seems attainable and has good performance. As for the rest, it's undervolted 75 millivolts and overclocked by 200 MHz on both the p and e cores in XTU. I am also open to messing with things in BIOS.

TLDR: Lower temps through BIOS or cooler recommendations

LGA 1700 contact frame to maximize homogenous mounting pressure. Cheap but effective mod for LGA 1700's tendency for the factory ILM to torque the CPU asymmetrically in the socket.

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On 6/9/2024 at 2:38 AM, ArushM said:

Ok, thanks, any settings that I can adjust to get the temps any lower (BIOS or XTU) 

Yeah, don't OC it.

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

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But.. but..

 

Why build a hella nice PC only to run it like a Dell 😁

 

That's crazy talk 🤮

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21 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Try adding an extra fan to the D15S. It's not going to win with just one fan.

I got the NHD15 but there isnt enough RAM clearence

For the rest of you guys, thanks

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27 minutes ago, ArushM said:

I got the NHD15 but there isnt enough RAM clearence

For the rest of you guys, thanks

Not on the other side, either?

 

So, thanks to them but not me. 🤣

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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On 6/9/2024 at 5:42 PM, ArushM said:

Hey @RONOTHAN## @Jon-Slow

What are your opinions on LLC modes to reduce voltage and therefore power output for lower temps. Im seeing lots of conflicting things on the internet. Or is 1.2V already low enough

 

If you have an static voltage like I do, adjusting the LLC can give you a some real temp reductions with negligible perfromance impact. The performance difference looks more like the margin of error to me with the LLC set to mode 4. You can do a Cinebench test before and after.

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11 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Not on the other side, either?

 

So, thanks to them but not me. 🤣

Shit sorry, thank you too. The other side the VRM cooler gets in the way

10 hours ago, Jon-Slow said:

If you have an static voltage like I do, adjusting the LLC can give you a some real temp reductions with negligible perfromance impact. The performance difference looks more like the margin of error to me with the LLC set to mode 4. You can do a Cinebench test before and after.

Ok ill try that

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7 hours ago, ArushM said:

Shit sorry, thank you too. The other side the VRM cooler gets in the way

Ok ill try that

LOL! So, like we have suggested, there are lots of other air coolers that will do the job. Just check the constraints of your PC and then look at products and ask questions of manufacturers. That's what I did. I even had to measure diagrams on websites to try to make sure which would fit (which did help).

I've been using computers since around 1978, started learning programming in 1980 on Apple IIs, started learning about hardware in 1990, ran a BBS from 1990-95, built my first Windows PC around 2000, taught myself malware removal starting in 2005 (also learned on Bleeping Computer), learned web dev starting in 2017, and I think I can fill a thimble with all that knowledge. 😉 I'm not an expert, which is why I keep investigating the answers that others give to try and improve my knowledge, so feel free to double-check the advice I give.

My phone's auto-correct is named Otto Rong.🤪😂

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