why cpu temp is way higher than core temps? is my max cpu vcore normal?

[EzioWar]

Hi, my os- win11, MOBO-Gigabyte B650M DS3H, bios version FA4,cpu ryzen5 7600,cpu cooler-Hyper 212X ,

hwinfo, gigabytes gcc, msi afterburner etc every monitoring software showing same "CPU" temperature which is like 20°more than any other cpu core temperature on idle. my room temp is like 34° where that "cpu temp" is on 60° and any other cores like on 40° on idle. but when i'm gaming, that cpu reaches like 83 but cores remain at 66-75. is this normal? why cpu temp is way higher than core temps?

also my cpu vcore reaching 1.322 even at default bios settings with expo on, is it normal?

 

btw hwinfo saying this about that "CPU" temp- 

[PDifolco]

7 minutes ago, EzioWar said:

Hi, my os- win11, MOBO-Gigabyte B650M DS3H, bios version FA4,cpu ryzen5 7600,cpu cooler-Hyper 212X ,

hwinfo, gigabytes gcc, msi afterburner etc every monitoring software showing same "CPU" temperature which is like 20°more than any other cpu core temperature on idle. my room temp is like 34° where that "cpu temp" is on 60° and any other cores like on 40° on idle. but when i'm gaming, that cpu reaches like 83 but cores remain at 66-75. is this normal? why cpu temp is way higher than core temps?

Because on Ryzen the "CPU temp" (TCtl/TDie) is a calculated guess (using a formula) of the hotspot on the CPU, so it's higher than the max core temp

But usually there's only up to 7-8C difference at low temps and really not much  (1-2C) at high 80C+ temps

Now ambient 34C is really high and may mess up things

Anyway even 83C isn't an issue, Ryzen 7000s throttle starting at 95C !

[EzioWar]

4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Because on Ryzen the "CPU temp" (TCtl/TDie) is a calculated guess (using a formula) of the hotspot on the CPU, so it's higher than the max core temp

But usually there's only up to 7-8C difference at low temps and really not much  (1-2C) at high 80C+ temps

Now ambient 34C is really high and may mess up things

Anyway even 83C isn't an issue, Ryzen 7000s throttle starting at 95C !

tyvm , btw my vcore reaching 1.322 even at default bios settings with expo on, is it normal?

[PDifolco]

4 minutes ago, EzioWar said:

tyvm , btw my vcore reaching 1.322 even at default bios settings with expo on, is it normal?

Nothing out of the ordinary imo, it can safely reach 1.42V or so

But maybe you could try some undervolting (Curve optimizer, all cores -15 to -20, have to test what's stable), this will decrease voltage power consumption and temps

[EzioWar]

26 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Because on Ryzen the "CPU temp" (TCtl/TDie) is a calculated guess (using a formula) of the hotspot on the CPU, so it's higher than the max core temp

But usually there's only up to 7-8C difference at low temps and really not much  (1-2C) at high 80C+ temps

Now ambient 34C is really high and may mess up things

Anyway even 83C isn't an issue, Ryzen 7000s throttle starting at 95C !

ty. btw that 95c where throttle starts is the same "cpu" temp i was talking about?

[PDifolco]

Just now, EzioWar said:

ty. btw that 95c where throttle starts is the same "cpu" temp i was talking about?

Yes, the highest one