7800xt vs 4070, concerns about which one to buy

[greeyt]

hello there.

 

my options:

1. rtx 4070 ZOTAC twin edge (550€)

2. rx7800xt sapphire pulse (530€)

3. I don't think that with my current pc and my money concers re worth spending extra 50, 60€ for 7900gre or 4070super soo not really an option.

 

my pc: 5600 + b450 + rm650x 2018 model + 2x16gb 3200mhz cl16 ram + rx6650xt + 1440p 144hz monitor. games im playing: like everything, recently i ve found singleplayer games like cyberpunk or rdr2 or horizon zero dawn/forbidden west, etc.. but also some multiplayer games like mw3 or battlefield.

 

ik that i ve asked similar question not long time ago but i ve kinda decided to step up a game and get a better gpu to be safer for few next years because the next upgrade it would be full pc upgrade and i want a gpu which will last me 5+ years, definitely wanna play GTA VI on it on 1440p on med settings, don't care if DLSS/FSR needs to be enabled

soo before anything I know its impossible to tell for sure which gpu would age better but i would like to hear opinions from more experienced person than me.

 

rtx 4070.

• less power usage which in my country does make a difference since electricity is quite expensive.
• DLSS/Frame gen re more superior compared to AMD offering
• better encoders for everything, more like card for everything.

rx7800xt

• better pure performance in many games
• 4gb extra vram

now my concern is, can/would extra 4gb vram on 7800xt acctually means difference in longetivity of that card or you think that nvidia can on 4070 with 12gb vram and superior technology be in lead in like 5 years which i want to my gpu last? which would you value more. higher power consumption card but overwall better performance with extra 4gb vram or do you think that technology like DLSS/frame gen can actually be a huge difference in gaming experience compared to worse FSR and other amd technology?

 

soo yea, im really torn what to buy. if price difference would be like 50€, sure i would go for cheaper card but with 20€ price difference idk what to pick, if there is any reason to upgrade at all. my 6650xt is good card but with current gpu market i already missed an opportunity for cheaper gpu in rx6800, new amd 7000 series prices re awful, nvidia prices re shameful for quite some time. but at the same time prices re probably not gonna lower down anytime soon, if there would be price cut at all since its new reality that midrange ranked gpus like 7800xt/4070 re like 500€ or more while it should be no more than 400€ but yea, new reality. and this is my concern if there is worth to upgrade now and stop being worried what future will bring, this is why im considering 550€ for a new gpu which is absurd but i don't wanna be left out when GTA VI releases and gpu prices would be 1000+€ for midrange which can occur again with ease. plus my brother wants a new gpu to upgrade his aging 1650 and i can give him mine 6650xt for 150€ (generous price, used deals in my country re like 250€ at least) and then invest 400€ in new gpu and be good for quite some time.

 

thank you for any1 who took some time to read this and give his opinion on my problem.

[DarkSmith2]

Still not convinced about 4070super? Up to 20% performance for 50bucks more than 4070..

[DoctorNick]

51 minutes ago, greeyt said:

hello there.

 

my options:

1. rtx 4070 ZOTAC twin edge (550€)

2. rx7800xt sapphire pulse (530€)

3. I don't think that with my current pc and my money concers re worth spending extra 50, 60€ for 7900gre or 4070super soo not really an option.

 

my pc: 5600 + b450 + rm650x 2018 model + 2x16gb 3200mhz cl16 ram + rx6650xt + 1440p 144hz monitor. games im playing: like everything, recently i ve found singleplayer games like cyberpunk or rdr2 or horizon zero dawn/forbidden west, etc.. but also some multiplayer games like mw3 or battlefield.

 

ik that i ve asked similar question not long time ago but i ve kinda decided to step up a game and get a better gpu to be safer for few next years because the next upgrade it would be full pc upgrade and i want a gpu which will last me 5+ years, definitely wanna play GTA VI on it on 1440p on med settings, don't care if DLSS/FSR needs to be enabled

soo before anything I know its impossible to tell for sure which gpu would age better but i would like to hear opinions from more experienced person than me.

 

rtx 4070.

• less power usage which in my country does make a difference since electricity is quite expensive.
• DLSS/Frame gen re more superior compared to AMD offering
• better encoders for everything, more like card for everything.

rx7800xt

• better pure performance in many games
• 4gb extra vram

now my concern is, can/would extra 4gb vram on 7800xt acctually means difference in longetivity of that card or you think that nvidia can on 4070 with 12gb vram and superior technology be in lead in like 5 years which i want to my gpu last? which would you value more. higher power consumption card but overwall better performance with extra 4gb vram or do you think that technology like DLSS/frame gen can actually be a huge difference in gaming experience compared to worse FSR and other amd technology?

 

soo yea, im really torn what to buy. if price difference would be like 50€, sure i would go for cheaper card but with 20€ price difference idk what to pick, if there is any reason to upgrade at all. my 6650xt is good card but with current gpu market i already missed an opportunity for cheaper gpu in rx6800, new amd 7000 series prices re awful, nvidia prices re shameful for quite some time. but at the same time prices re probably not gonna lower down anytime soon, if there would be price cut at all since its new reality that midrange ranked gpus like 7800xt/4070 re like 500€ or more while it should be no more than 400€ but yea, new reality. and this is my concern if there is worth to upgrade now and stop being worried what future will bring, this is why im considering 550€ for a new gpu which is absurd but i don't wanna be left out when GTA VI releases and gpu prices would be 1000+€ for midrange which can occur again with ease. plus my brother wants a new gpu to upgrade his aging 1650 and i can give him mine 6650xt for 150€ (generous price, used deals in my country re like 250€ at least) and then invest 400€ in new gpu and be good for quite some time.

 

thank you for any1 who took some time to read this and give his opinion on my problem.

Better driver support 4070. 12gb ram might not really be a concern now, but in the future it might be. Better performance 7800 XT. I would get the Asus Dual instead:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/tXNYcf/asus-dual-oc-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-90yv0jj1-m0aa00

 

 

[Tan3l6]

Quite equal cards in most aspects.

I just sold my RTX 4070 for 7800 XT.  Reasons are not really practical, should be said.

Only thing is that OC was a tad easier on 4070. But I'm not very worried, 7800XT is a bit faster on rasterization, 4070 is faster with ray tracing.

The differences in performance are surprisingly minimal considering they are made by different chipmakers.

[Salted Spinach]

The main selling point of the 4070 is the low power consumption and silent operation. However the gains from overclocking 4070 series is basically hamstrung.

 

If you worry about how well its going to age, better off with something that

1. Has better performance to begin with

2. Has more VRAM to begin with

3. Has more overclocking headroom

 

The PS5 sports 16GB of memory and is already 3 years old

[Tan3l6]

4 minutes ago, Salted Spinach said:

However the gains from overclocking 4070 series is basically hamstrung

Just wondering what you mean by that?

OCed RTX 4070 is almost as fast as RX 7800 XT @default, in my experience first hand. Core @+200Mhz and VRAM @+800Mhz.

 

But I do agree RX 7800 at similar or lower price is at least as good.

[TatamiMatt]

1 hour ago, Tan3l6 said:

Just wondering what you mean by that?

OCed RTX 4070 is almost as fast as RX 7800 XT @default, in my experience first hand. Core @+200Mhz and VRAM @+800Mhz.

 

But I do agree RX 7800 at similar or lower price is at least as good.

OCed 4070 is almost as fast as default 7800xt yeah, but my 7800xt is running at 2750MHz or about +300MHz, all cards can OC to some degree but some OC better than others

[Tan3l6]

14 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

OCed 4070 is almost as fast as default 7800xt yeah, but my 7800xt is running at 2750MHz or about +300MHz, all cards can OC to some degree but some OC better than others

I guess I got unlucky and my 7800XT seems not to OC as well.

Also can't really use MSI Afterburner to OC, but yeah, otherwise it's just a matter of preference.

[TatamiMatt]

1 hour ago, Tan3l6 said:

Also can't really use MSI Afterburner to OC, but yeah, otherwise it's just a matter of preference.

Yeah, through ive found Adrenalin to be much nicer to OC with

[greeyt]

10 hours ago, DarkSmith2 said:

Still not convinced about 4070super? Up to 20% performance for 50bucks more than 4070..

idk, even paying 500€ for a gpu seems absurd and paying 600€ for it even more. i know that i'm really picky person and i want something good for future without spending money but at the same time, its like almoust half of my current salary (where i live a 900€ + salary supplement, at the end around 1200€ re onto my card at the end of the month) soo yea, you might see why even 500€ is abusrd but i want the best for my money and rn 7800xt vs 4070 is an option, IF i can find an ok priced 6800 i've might consider it aswel but yea, below 430€. and yea, its always like "pay 50€ extra", thats what i ve said to myself when i was on 400€ budget and with every extra 50€ im already on 500-550€ soo yea. 

10 hours ago, DoctorNick said:

Better driver support 4070. 12gb ram might not really be a concern now, but in the future it might be. Better performance 7800 XT. I would get the Asus Dual instead:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/tXNYcf/asus-dual-oc-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-90yv0jj1-m0aa00

 

 

1. driver support thats really personal opnion. drivers for me on AMD re as steady as on nvidia 1650, only difference is that some older titles in mutliplayer as example mw2/mw3 performs poorly for unknown reason but thats not a big issue and i ve needed to switch video player from potplayer to vlc due to potplayer picutre quality decreased and trying different settings did not help. but other than this amd drivers re nothing but smooth ride soo far.

2. thats my biggest concern. whats better to value, a less vram which could be problematic but nvidia DLSS/frame gen re superior to amd technology and in future that could be deal breaker or its acctually a good idea to go for 16gb vram 7800xt.

3. why this model if i may ask? my current gpu is sapphire pulse 6650xt and it works just fine. not the best in temps but still, its ok.

9 hours ago, Salted Spinach said:

The main selling point of the 4070 is the low power consumption and silent operation. However the gains from overclocking 4070 series is basically hamstrung.

 

If you worry about how well its going to age, better off with something that

1. Has better performance to begin with

2. Has more VRAM to begin with

3. Has more overclocking headroom

 

The PS5 sports 16GB of memory and is already 3 years old

yes IK but which card to go then? as I already explained 500€ seems absurd but there is nothing else to do, I'm 99 % sure than i don't wanna spend 600€ or more for gpu, 550€ is hard limit. soo it comes down to two options in 7800xt or 4070, maybe if i can find on sale 6800xt or 6800 thats could be an option aswel but yea, other than this its only used market but soo far nvidia and amd on 3000 series/6000 series cards does not have more than 12gb vram (amd on 6800xt/6900xt series but 6900xt might require beffier psu unit since 650w is probably not good enough) and I'm still on point where only new cards re really viable for me. idk what to do, what is more future proffed. 16gb vram on 7800xt or nvidia features DLSS/frame gen. everything i want to is to play GTA VI when its released on my 1440p monitor, not on ultra settings but on low/mid settings with DLSS enabled. idk what to do honestly.

[Salted Spinach]

9 hours ago, greeyt said:

...everything i want to is to play GTA VI when its released on my 1440p monitor...

Considering the following points, my bet is that the 7800XT will significant lead in performance in GTA VI

• It will be a good number of years before the game is released. It is going to take advantage of all the raw raster performance and VRAM it can get
• FSR is likely to have negligible difference compared to DLSS by then
• Roaming around a city and constantly loading high res textures is very VRAM intensive. Take a look at how Cyberpunk currently performs 4070 vs the 7800XT

[DoctorNick]

10 hours ago, greeyt said:

idk, even paying 500€ for a gpu seems absurd and paying 600€ for it even more. i know that i'm really picky person and i want something good for future without spending money but at the same time, its like almoust half of my current salary (where i live a 900€ + salary supplement, at the end around 1200€ re onto my card at the end of the month) soo yea, you might see why even 500€ is abusrd but i want the best for my money and rn 7800xt vs 4070 is an option, IF i can find an ok priced 6800 i've might consider it aswel but yea, below 430€. and yea, its always like "pay 50€ extra", thats what i ve said to myself when i was on 400€ budget and with every extra 50€ im already on 500-550€ soo yea. 

1. driver support thats really personal opnion. drivers for me on AMD re as steady as on nvidia 1650, only difference is that some older titles in mutliplayer as example mw2/mw3 performs poorly for unknown reason but thats not a big issue and i ve needed to switch video player from potplayer to vlc due to potplayer picutre quality decreased and trying different settings did not help. but other than this amd drivers re nothing but smooth ride soo far.

2. thats my biggest concern. whats better to value, a less vram which could be problematic but nvidia DLSS/frame gen re superior to amd technology and in future that could be deal breaker or its acctually a good idea to go for 16gb vram 7800xt.

3. why this model if i may ask? my current gpu is sapphire pulse 6650xt and it works just fine. not the best in temps but still, its ok.

yes IK but which card to go then? as I already explained 500€ seems absurd but there is nothing else to do, I'm 99 % sure than i don't wanna spend 600€ or more for gpu, 550€ is hard limit. soo it comes down to two options in 7800xt or 4070, maybe if i can find on sale 6800xt or 6800 thats could be an option aswel but yea, other than this its only used market but soo far nvidia and amd on 3000 series/6000 series cards does not have more than 12gb vram (amd on 6800xt/6900xt series but 6900xt might require beffier psu unit since 650w is probably not good enough) and I'm still on point where only new cards re really viable for me. idk what to do, what is more future proffed. 16gb vram on 7800xt or nvidia features DLSS/frame gen. everything i want to is to play GTA VI when its released on my 1440p monitor, not on ultra settings but on low/mid settings with DLSS enabled. idk what to do honestly.

1. Is it though? I like AMD, dont get me wrong. It's not entirely AMD's fault that developers prioritize Nvidia support over AMD.

3. I like Asus Dual cards because they are ultra reliable, also its the first assembly line to use 100% robo automation. And therefore all cards are assembled to perfection, cooler and fans are also decent.

 

[Jesse221]

I recently struggled to decide going back to AMD (7900xt) or stay Nvidia and get a 4070ti.  My two reasons were same as yours dlss and encoder.  I preferred AMD adrenaline software when I had my previous AMD card but switch due to lack of support for the encoder when I built my next PC.  In the end I’ve switched back because now more software is supporting AMD and I tested on my AMD laptop first to verify the software was truly using the encoder acceleration so even though maybe not as fast as Nvidia it’s good enough for hobby level.  Then the second issue of dlss is becoming more and more a non issue for it Intel XESS 1.3 showing impressive improvements and FSR improvements coming and unlike Nvidia (so far anyway) they don’t kneecap their previous cards so for me on an rtx 20 series dlss still kind of looks like crap since it’s just the basic dlss whereas AMD has a better history of long term card support and improvement.  I’ll be installing this weekend so hopefully made the right choice.