Cooling the 5800x3D in PureBase 500. AIO to improve temps?

[akb8812]

I recently changed cases to a more minimalistic case without glass panel. The market for those here where I live is small and getting smaller I settled on pretty much the only option which was the BeQuiet PureBase 500 with a solid panel. It also has a solid front panel with some mesh gaps on the sides and temps are....OK actually for the most part. I'm using a beefy Dark Rock Pro 4 to cool my 5800x3D and it's doing a good job in cooling it and keeping it well below any dangerous temps but I do have a quite an aggressive fan curve. I'm wondering, would an AIO such as the Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 in an top mounted exhaust orientation maybe work better for the CPU in a case like this?

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, akb8812 said:

I recently changed cases to a more minimalistic case without glass panel. The market for those here where I live is small and getting smaller I settled on pretty much the only option which was the BeQuiet PureBase 500 with a solid panel. It also has a solid front panel with some mesh gaps on the sides and temps are....OK actually for the most part. I'm using a beefy Dark Rock Pro 4 to cool my 5800x3D and it's doing a good job in cooling it and keeping it well below any dangerous temps but I do have a quite an aggressive fan curve. I'm wondering, would an AIO such as the Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 in an top mounted exhaust orientation maybe work better for the CPU in a case like this?

What're your temps now? the Dark Rock Pro 4 is quite a good cooler so it shouldn't have a problem cooling the 5800X3D. What does your thermal paste application look like and how is mounting pressure?

 

3 minutes ago, akb8812 said:

I'm wondering, would an AIO such as the Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 in an top mounted exhaust orientation maybe work better for the CPU in a case like this?

it wouldn't help as much as you'd think. Air coolers have gotten quite good nowadays (this benchmark is on a hotter CPU)

[akb8812]

3 minutes ago, filpo said:

What're your temps now? the Dark Rock Pro 4 is quite a good cooler so it shouldn't have a problem cooling the 5800X3D. What does your thermal paste application look like and how is mounting pressure?

 

it wouldn't help as much as you'd think. Air coolers have gotten quite good nowadays (this benchmark is on a hotter CPU)

Right now when just messing around on the internet watching Youtube it's just below 50C .
When in game like RDR2 for instance, temps both on CPU and GPU (3090) are kinda the same, hovering around 70-73 and fans spinning at the same speed throughout. In a more CPU heavy or higher frame rate game such as for instance Outer Worlds, or one of the more recent Sherlock Holmes games, I see the CPU jump up to 80 and the fans become much more aggressive.  GPU temps don't rise that much.

I would think if the paste or mounting pressure was the issue then it would be happening way more often and higher temps.
 

[filpo]

Just now, akb8812 said:

Right now when just messing around on the internet watching Youtube it's just below 50C .
When in game like RDR2 for instance, temps both on CPU and GPU (3090) are kinda the same, hovering around 70-73 and fans spinning at the same speed throughout. In a more CPU heavy or higher frame rate game such as for instance Outer Worlds, or one of the more recent Sherlock Holmes games, I see the CPU jump up to 80 and the fans become much more aggressive.  GPU temps don't rise that much.

what's your fan layout in the case? Additional fans could make quite a difference. I had the same problem in my new itx build with my 5600 going to 90 degrees while gaming on the stock cooler. I added three fans (two intake, one exhaust) and temps dropped to 60 while gaming. Try adding some fans to the case (mostly intaking, if it's exhausting then at the back of the case)

 

2 minutes ago, akb8812 said:

I would think if the paste or mounting pressure was the issue then it would be happening way more often and higher temps

Same thing with my itx build. Thermal paste wasn't completely on my 5600's side so I repasted and tried again and temps dropped again by 5 degrees. Not huge but I do recommend trying since it also allows you to remount your cpu cooler if you hadn't done it before

[akb8812]

6 minutes ago, filpo said:

what's your fan layout in the case? Additional fans could make quite a difference. I had the same problem in my new itx build with my 5600 going to 90 degrees while gaming on the stock cooler. I added three fans (two intake, one exhaust) and temps dropped to 60 while gaming. Try adding some fans to the case (mostly intaking, if it's exhausting then at the back of the case)

 

Same thing with my itx build. Thermal paste wasn't completely on my 5600's side so I repasted and tried again and temps dropped again by 5 degrees. Not huge but I do recommend trying since it also allows you to remount your cpu cooler if you hadn't done it before

2  140s intake and one 140 exhaust.

[GuiltySpark_]

Seems to me this could be a few things. 

 

• Better case airflow. 
• Expectation adjustment of what's "ok" and what's "too hot". 
• Fan curve relaxing. 

I have a Torrent so plenty of through case airflow and a 7800x3D with an Assassin IV that doesn't see over 60c in games. The PC is also silent as I don't really run a "curve", just a flat 40% PWM until 85C which I only see during all core workloads. The DRP4 is notoriously bad with modern Zen4 chiplet designs but wasn't terrible with Zen3, though awful if you take into account how much they used to charge for it. 

[akb8812]

1 minute ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Seems to me this could be a few things. 

 

• Better case airflow. 
• Expectation adjustment of what's "ok" and what's "too hot". 
• Fan curve relaxing. 

I have a Torrent so plenty of through case airflow and a 7800x3D with an Assassin IV that doesn't see over 60c in games. The PC is also silent as I don't really run a "curve", just a flat 40% PWM until 85C which I only see during all core workloads. The DRP4 is notoriously bad with modern Zen4 chiplet designs but wasn't terrible with Zen3, though awful if you take into account how much they used to charge for it. 

Yeah the airflow isn't great, it's harder than one thinks to find a normal looking ATX case with good airflow that doesn't have unneccesary things such as a glass panel  (which I don't need) and RGB. I think every case I've found locally (small country Northern Europe) that has good airflow (not a restricive front panel) has expensive glass side panels as well. But like I said the temps aren't dangerous but I do need to have a bit of an aggressive fan profile to keep it that way especially with the front fans. I'd rather stay below the mid 80s low 90s if at all possible and not have a jet engine on my desk.
I do have an old glass panel Phanteks which was annoyingly bulky though, but it might work.
Are you using a program for your fan curve or just in BIOS?
Maybe swapping out the cooler would be a good start then if the DRP4 is known to have issues with this CPU design.

[GuiltySpark_]

4 minutes ago, akb8812 said:

Are you using a program for your fan curve or just in BIOS?

BIOS, but I like to keep things simple. Flat line until 85c and it never gets anywhere near there in normal operation. But I have a different cooler, different case and different CPU.

[akb8812]

2 hours ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

BIOS, but I like to keep things simple. Flat line until 85c and it never gets anywhere near there in normal operation. But I have a different cooler, different case and different CPU.

 

Alright I did some playing around in BIOS and CPU temps are maxing at around 77-78, which I guess is alright and the fans aren't ramping up as much as before.

Been out of the game for a while, is there a cooler that is specifically recommended for these chips over the DRP4?

[GuiltySpark_]

20 minutes ago, akb8812 said:

 

Alright I did some playing around in BIOS and CPU temps are maxing at around 77-78, which I guess is alright and the fans aren't ramping up as much as before.

Been out of the game for a while, is there a cooler that is specifically recommended for these chips over the DRP4?

If you recently bought that cooler I’d just keep it but if not, these days Thermalright the market locked down for price and performance, no one else can touch them. $32 US will get you a Peerless Assassin 120/Phantom Spirit 120 and be near as good as you can get. I like the Frost Spirit 140v3 personally for a few extra $.