Upgrade or new build? - Gaming PC

[Foolas]

Budget (including currency): 2000-2500€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mostly gaming and work (VMs)

Other details 

Hi guys, I currently have this build for gaming:

- MB B450 Gaming Plus Max

- Ryzen 3600

- SSD NVMe Crucial P1

- Nvidia 2070 Super

- 16Go RAM 3600Mhz

- Case Fractal Design Meshify C

- Corsair rm650x 

- Dual screen 32’ (1x4K @144hz + 1x1440p @165hz)

 

I am currently looking to update my build mostly used for gaming. I’d like to enjoy recent games at 1440p (ideally 4K) with fps. Nothing competitive, I just enjoy games with high frame rates (mostly rpg, adventure, some FPS, etc). 
 

I struggle to find the best solution:

1) Change my cpu 3600 for a 5700 (or something better from that gen) + new case for a new GPU like a 4070 Ti Super

2) Go for a brand new build based on a 7800x3d + 32Go RAM DDR5 + GPU tbd

 

My questions are as follows: I am a bit lost with the new 40xx Super series, I am not sure what to choose. 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super?

What would you recommend between the 2 options? I guess the first one is cheaper so it would be easier to go for a better GPU. 
 

Thank you very much for your help!

[filpo]

12 minutes ago, Foolas said:

Go for a brand new build based on a 7800x3d + 32Go RAM DDR5 + GPU tbd

a brand new build

 

12 minutes ago, Foolas said:

4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super?

4080 super 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€387.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool LT720 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€129.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€219.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€123.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€162.90 @ Alza) 
Video Card: *Gigabyte WINDFORCE V2 GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (€1116.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€111.86 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: *Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€139.90 @ Alternate) 
Total: €2393.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-26 22:32 CET+0100

 

But the 7900 xtx can be had for less, wait for the reviews to come out and see which one comes out on top 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€387.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool LT720 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€129.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€219.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€123.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€162.90 @ Alza) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  (€967.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€111.86 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: *Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€139.90 @ Alternate) 
Total: €2244.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-26 22:32 CET+0100

 

EDIT: VMs are quite CPU intensive so if you're doing a lot of that then I'd get a 7950X3D or 7900 non x

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€651.90 @ Alza) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool LT720 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€129.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€219.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€123.89 @ Alternate) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€162.90 @ Alza) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card  (€967.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€111.86 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: *Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€139.90 @ Alternate) 
Total: €2508.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-26 22:43 CET+0100

Edited January 26 by filpo

[Tetras]

11 minutes ago, Foolas said:

1) Change my cpu 3600 for a 5700 (or something better from that gen) + new case for a new GPU like a 4070 Ti Super

If you're going that route, get the 5800X3D. Since you have fairly modest sounding requirements, I'd probably do that, alongside a 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super (depending on reviews and prices).

 

HUB included the 7800X3D and 5800X3D in this video:

 

[Why_Me]

https://geizhals.eu/  <--- look at this site for better prices on PC components.

 

Examples: 

https://geizhals.eu/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-100-100000910-a2872867.html  

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D €368,99

https://geizhals.eu/be-quiet-pure-power-12-m-850w-atx-3-0-bn344-a2884020.html 

be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850W ATX 3.0 €123,00

https://geizhals.eu/deepcool-lt720-argb-r-lt720-bkamnf-g-1-a2851186.html 

DeepCool LT720 ARGB €115,99 

https://geizhals.eu/samsung-ssd-980-pro-2tb-mz-v8p2t0bw-a2454607.html 

Samsung 980 PRO 2TB SSD €150,99 

https://geizhals.eu/lian-li-lancool-216-rgb-a2846935.html 

Lian Li LANCOOL 216 €109,39 

https://geizhals.eu/microsoft-windows-11-home-64bit-multilingual-pc-a2615378.html 

Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64Bit, DSP/SB, ESD (multilingual) (PC) €24,80 

https://geizhals.eu/microsoft-windows-11-home-64bit-deutsch-pc-kw9-00638-a2611664.html 

Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64Bit, DSP/SB (deutsch) (PC) €69,95

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€387.99 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool LT720 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€129.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: *MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€175.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: *G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€135.98 @ Galaxus) 
Storage: *Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€162.90 @ Alza) 
Video Card: *Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (€1116.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€111.86 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: *be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€156.70 @ Galaxus) 
Total: €2378.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-26 23:06 CET+0100

 

[PC HEROES]

19 hours ago, Foolas said:

Budget (including currency): 2000-2500€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Mostly gaming and work (VMs)

Other details 

Hi guys, I currently have this build for gaming:

- MB B450 Gaming Plus Max

- Ryzen 3600

- SSD NVMe Crucial P1

- Nvidia 2070 Super

- 16Go RAM 3600Mhz

- Case Fractal Design Meshify C

- Corsair rm650x 

- Dual screen 32’ (1x4K @144hz + 1x1440p @165hz)

 

I am currently looking to update my build mostly used for gaming. I’d like to enjoy recent games at 1440p (ideally 4K) with fps. Nothing competitive, I just enjoy games with high frame rates (mostly rpg, adventure, some FPS, etc). 
 

I struggle to find the best solution:

1) Change my cpu 3600 for a 5700 (or something better from that gen) + new case for a new GPU like a 4070 Ti Super

2) Go for a brand new build based on a 7800x3d + 32Go RAM DDR5 + GPU tbd

 

My questions are as follows: I am a bit lost with the new 40xx Super series, I am not sure what to choose. 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super?

What would you recommend between the 2 options? I guess the first one is cheaper so it would be easier to go for a better GPU. 
 

Thank you very much for your help!

Hello... I think you should go with something like this. I got you a very good balance of quality parts. Please let me know what you think.

 

I have been building PCs for over 30 years so if you have any questions please ask. For future communication I use Discord for much faster response times as I have it open 24/7. Here is my Discord: Wizardsnapper#2772 I am also available if you need help before, during, or after the Build process on Discord through Voice or Video Chat. I can be with you while you build your new PC if you need me to be.

 

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/r6YWjH

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€387.99 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Gigabyte AORUS WATERFORCE 360 Liquid CPU Cooler  (€159.89 @ Computeruniverse)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 GAMING X AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€182.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€109.89 @ Alternate)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€156.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE V2 GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (€1116.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€178.89 @ Galaxus)
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000e (2023) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€154.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: Lian Li Uni Fan SL-Infinity 61.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€34.48 @ Galaxus)
Total: €2482.11

[Foolas]

Wow guys thanks a lot your answers!!
I’ll definitely go for a new build with 7800x3d + 4080 Super based on your propositions. 

 

In term of case, I really love the Fractal Design North but it is not suitable for a 360mm AIO mounted on top. Is 240mm a good alternative?

Or even an air cooler should be more than enough right?

[filpo]

1 hour ago, Foolas said:

Or even an air cooler should be more than enough right?

for a 7800X3D definitely

 

1 hour ago, Foolas said:

Is 240mm a good alternative?

if you prefer the look of it then look at the lt520

[Foolas]

Hi guys!

 

Thanks again for your help. After further investigation, I am wondering if investing in a X670 or b650E mobo would be a good idea? Especially that I'd like to keep that built for a long time (as long as possible)

 

If yes, would you recommand the Gigabyte X670 Gaming X AX V2? Or even the ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F Gaming WiFi?