Gaming 1080P/1440P up to 1500$

[WillySteht]

Hi, i will give my old pc to my kid and therefore i would appreciate if you guys can assist me by providing a partpicker for a new gaming PC without storage.

 

Budget (including currency): 1400€ (~1500$)

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: 

• Gaming 1080P but also future-proof for 1440P since i will upgrade my monitor someday
• Simple AI projects, with CUDA support

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

• I do have storage
  • 500GB M2 NVME
  • 14TB external HDD
• I do some AI stuff and since CUDA is mostly NVIDIA exclusive (and newly "super" GPU coming out) I appreciate if you can up with an NVIDIA setup and also an AMD setup IF AMD is more cost-effective gaming vise
• Preferably a simple, functional case without fancy RGB 
• I value energy efficiency since electricity is expensive in germany but thats just a bonus
• No need of a wifi or blootooth adapter

 

Any help is highly appreciated

[podkall]

4 minutes ago, WillySteht said:

Simple AI projects, with CUDA support

if the projects are simple, do you really need Nvidia if AMD was faster? or would the complexity increase overtime perhaps?

[Levent]

12 minutes ago, podkall said:

if the projects are simple, do you really need Nvidia if AMD was faster? or would the complexity increase overtime perhaps?

Pretty sure that argument is invalid as they specifically stated:

16 minutes ago, WillySteht said:

CUDA support

 

[podkall]

3 minutes ago, Levent said:

Pretty sure that argument is invalid as they specifically stated:

 

yes but "support" doesn't mean "requirement", unless it does?

[WillySteht]

5 minutes ago, podkall said:

if the projects are simple, do you really need Nvidia if AMD was faster? or would the complexity increase overtime perhaps?

Basically yes, either it increases over time for more complex projects, or it adds up for simple projects if you need more results.
For example for image generation at some point it makes a difference if lets say the generation of a single image takes 15 seconds GPU vs 40 seconds CPU but mostly you generate alot images until you are satisfied with the result. And alot seconds is alot of time waiting.

 

I know i can use cloud GPU but i kinda need an idea how big the difference is so i can take that also in consideration.

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

yes but "support" doesn't mean "requirement", unless it does?

yeah CUDA is pretty much NVIDIA exclusive, so it is indeed a requirement. Basically if an AI project uses CUDA and you have AMD you cannot use your GPU for this project.

[podkall]

There's 2 ways to go about it:

 

 

First, 7800x3D CPU + RTX 4060ti:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€387.99 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€56.89 @ Alternate)
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€176.90 @ Alza)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€110.89 @ Alternate)
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Twin Edge OC GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB Video Card  (€406.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  (€83.88 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€118.89 @ Galaxus)
Total: €1342.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-24 19:39 CET+0100

 

Second is, 7600 + RTX 4070 super:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€185.00 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€56.89 @ Alternate)
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€176.90 @ Alza)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€110.89 @ Alternate)
Video Card: Palit Dual GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  (€645.00 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  (€83.88 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€118.89 @ Galaxus)
Total: €1377.45
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-24 19:47 CET+0100

 

• 1. Is way faster CPU mainly for gaming but also has 2 more cores, it also basically ensures "theoretically" never needing to upgrade CPU for 5+ ish years
• 2. Is faster on GPU side, which is severely beneficial for maintaining high fps and details in games when going from 1080p to 1440p, also probably will crunch AI stuff faster (note: currently "slowest" AM5 CPU is still very very fast for gaming)

Quoting @Hinjima simply because I want to say "hi, how are you?", but if he wants to he can have input on my build recommendations.

[podkall]

Builds don't include storage, different case can be used, ensure GPU fits length-wise and CPU cooler fits height-wise.

[_Omega_]

Case seems to be not available in PC part picker but is about 50-60 €

 

And in Germany its always worth checking out the Mindstar deals on mindfactory.de, often the deals are just mediocre but some are really good.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€185.00 @ Mindfactory) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€38.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-P Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€124.89 @ Alternate) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€110.89 @ Alternate) 
Video Card: Inno3D Twin X2 GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  (€882.90 @ Alza) 
Case: Jonsbo D31 MESH MicroATX Mini Tower Case 
Power Supply: Gigabyte UD750GM 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€83.90 @ Alza) 
Case Fan: Thermalright TL-S12 X3 47.6 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  (€14.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1441.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-24 20:59 CET+0100

[Why_Me]

https://geizhals.eu/   <--- check this site for lower prices on PC components.

 

Example: Add this cpu to that build down below but run all these components through that link up above.

https://geizhals.eu/amd-ryzen-7-7700-100-000000592-a2872864.html 

AMD Ryzen 7 7700 €253,76 

 

The 120mm fan goes inside the back of this case for an exhaust fan.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€38.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: *MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€176.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: *ADATA XPG Lancer Blade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€122.12 @ Galaxus) 
Video Card: *Asus DUAL GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  (€665.99 @ Computeruniverse) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€68.83 @ Galaxus) 
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€109.90 @ Alza) 
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€4.64 @ Aquatuning) 
Total: €1187.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-24 23:25 CET+0100

 

A better look at those components.

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B650-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI  

 

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-7700  

 

https://www.thermalright.com/product/phantom-spirit-120-se/  

 

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/dual/dual-rtx4070s-o12g/  

 

https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MAG-A750GL-PCIE5  

 

https://www.arctic.de/us/P12-PWM-PST/ACFAN00120A  

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/black-tg-clear-tint/  

 

  

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/  

 

 

[WillySteht]

Hi again and thanks to all!

 

You all consent on taking the NVIDIA route. If my question wasnt considering the AI part, would you still build it with NVIDIA?

 

Based on your builds I did one myself. As you can see i shot a little over my limit but is it worth it? Maybe I could save some money if I take the Ryzen 7 7700? (or find some coupons ^^)

 

What you guys think of it?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($389.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($33.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card  ($724.99 @ Amazon) 

OR

Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card  ($799.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 850 - V2 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($95.99 @ Amazon) 
Total_AMD: $1556.85

Total_NVIDIA: $1631.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-25 11:49 EST-0500