Intel or AMD?

[EZBakeNShake]

 

Planning a 4K editing / gaming rig right now and I am trying to decide between Intel and AMD. I know that for the later part of the 2010s AMD was way better than Intel, but I can't tell if that has changed or not. Anyone have any input? If it matters I'm going to pair it with either a 3080 or 4070 (both fe). Budget is $2k USD.

 

[PDifolco]

1 minute ago, EZBakeNShake said:

 

Planning a 4K editing / gaming rig right now and I am trying to decide between Intel and AMD. I know that for the later part of the 2010s AMD was way better than Intel, but I can't tell if that has changed or not. Anyone have any input? If it matters I'm going to pair it with either a 3080 or 4070 (both fe).

 

Budget ?

If not limited get a 7950X, else a 13600K or 13700K may make sense, or a 7900

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Budget ?

^^^ Gotta know what we're working with. Also, what software do you edit in? Adobe's stuff can leverage the iGPU on Intel chips to great effect, other software won't so it's a more even playing field. 

[Alex Atkin UK]

4 minutes ago, EZBakeNShake said:

 

Planning a 4K editing / gaming rig right now and I am trying to decide between Intel and AMD. I know that for the later part of the 2010s AMD was way better than Intel, but I can't tell if that has changed or not. Anyone have any input? If it matters I'm going to pair it with either a 3080 or 4070 (both fe).

 

That depends on what software you are using.

 

NVIDIA video encoders are slightly better than AMD, but CPU encoding remains most efficient for a final render.

 

AMD is faster on most traditional games, NVIDIA may be faster on raytracing especially going forward as more titles adopt DLSS denoising.

 

The 4070 may be better than the 3080 if you make intermediate renders, as you could use AV1 hardware encoding to save space.  This will also help if you do game capture.

[GlibBlobbit]

I would say if you're not on a budget, go with Intel. 13th Gen is really good, but i wouldn't count out AMD. They're not bad by any means and easier on the wallet. I would say figure out a price point and then go from there, look at CPU's around your budget and look into them individually and not go by brand.

Now for GPU's, Nvidia if you're going for video editing. I use blender a lot and I'm sorry but I can't go AMD. But if you're strictly a gamer, AMD. they're way better price-wise and will do just fine. I wouldn't spend too much time comparing GPU's and stressing yourself out because at the end of the day, there is no such thing as a bad GPU. There is however, better GPU's.

[EZBakeNShake]

21 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Budget ?

If not limited get a 7950X, else a 13600K or 13700K may make sense, or a 7900

Budget is $2k USD. Currently looking at the 13700K.

[EZBakeNShake]

8 minutes ago, GlibBlobbit said:

I would say if you're not on a budget, go with Intel. 13th Gen is really good, but i wouldn't count out AMD. They're not bad by any means and easier on the wallet. I would say figure out a price point and then go from there, look at CPU's around your budget and look into them individually and not go by brand.

Now for GPU's, Nvidia if you're going for video editing. I use blender a lot and I'm sorry but I can't go AMD. But if you're strictly a gamer, AMD. they're way better price-wise and will do just fine. I wouldn't spend too much time comparing GPU's and stressing yourself out because at the end of the day, there is no such thing as a bad GPU. There is however, better GPU's.

I probably should've mentioned the budget in the main description, I'll update that. My budget is $2k USD. I plan to use Premiere Pro for the 4K editing.

[brob]

23 minutes ago, EZBakeNShake said:

I probably should've mentioned the budget in the main description, I'll update that. My budget is $2k USD. I plan to use Premiere Pro for the 4K editing.

 

Then an i7-14700(K)(F) model would be best. It's not available yet, will be by the end of the month. It has 4 more e-cores than the i7-1300(K)(F).

 

[EZBakeNShake]

10 minutes ago, brob said:

 

Then an i7-14700(K)(F) model would be best. It's not available yet, will be by the end of the month. It has 4 more e-cores than the i7-1300(K)(F).

 

Really good to know, is it backwards compatible with 13th gen sockets / MBs?

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

37 minutes ago, EZBakeNShake said:

Really good to know, is it backwards compatible with 13th gen sockets / MBs?

With BIOS updates, yes. It's even backward compatible with 12th Gen boards. But with any board, you want to double-check with the motherboard vendor to see if a BIOS update has been released to support 14th gen chips. If you haven't picked a board out yet, get one with BIOS flashback as you'll never know what BIOS version you'll get pre-installed. 

[EZBakeNShake]

2 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

With BIOS updates, yes. It's even backward compatible with 12th Gen boards. But with any board, you want to double-check with the motherboard vendor to see if a BIOS update has been released to support 14th gen chips. If you haven't picked a board out yet, get one with BIOS flashback as you'll never know what BIOS version you'll get pre-installed. 

I see. Are the 7000 series Ryzen chips better / more worth the price than 13th gen Intel? I'm not sure I want to deal with possible availability issues with the 14th gen chips.

[cmndr]

AMD an Intel are effectively tied right now and are competing on price. 

I've seen 12700k + Motherboard +RAM deals for around $350 at microcenter which is pretty solid. 
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006465/intel-core-i7-12700k,-msi-z690-a-pro-wifi-ddr4,-gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-ddr4-3200-kit,-computer-build-bundle
Similar story with 12900k + board + RAM deals for $400.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006547/intel-core-i9-12900k,-msi-z690-a-pro-wifi-ddr5,-gskill-ripjaws-s5-32gb-kit-ddr5-6000,-computer-build-bundle
 

They're not what I'd be buying NOT on promo, but on promo it's hard to beat. You'd need to spend almost 2x in order to get something that's not THAT much better. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

What codecs are you working with? One big advantage of 11th gen intel and never is the igpu supports decoding h.265 422 10 bit and can make workflows with that codec much better.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

Just now, EZBakeNShake said:

I see. Are the 7000 series Ryzen chips better / more worth the price than 13th gen Intel? I'm not sure I want to deal with possible availability issues with the 14th gen chips.

They're both up there so you can't go wrong with either. As for availability, it's generally not an issue in the CPU space. Since these are yearly releases/refreshes, you don't have nearly as many people waiting to purchase on release. 

[EZBakeNShake]

13 minutes ago, cmndr said:

AMD an Intel are effectively tied right now and are competing on price. 

I've seen 12700k + Motherboard +RAM deals for around $350 at microcenter which is pretty solid. 
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006465/intel-core-i7-12700k,-msi-z690-a-pro-wifi-ddr4,-gskill-ripjaws-v-16gb-ddr4-3200-kit,-computer-build-bundle
Similar story with 12900k + board + RAM deals for $400.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006547/intel-core-i9-12900k,-msi-z690-a-pro-wifi-ddr5,-gskill-ripjaws-s5-32gb-kit-ddr5-6000,-computer-build-bundle
 

They're not what I'd be buying NOT on promo, but on promo it's hard to beat. You'd need to spend almost 2x in order to get something that's not THAT much better. 

Ok, what about 5000 series chips? Those are pretty cheap right now, the only issue that I can see is that AM4 MBs with DDR5 support are few and far between.

[EZBakeNShake]

14 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

What codecs are you working with? One big advantage of 11th gen intel and never is the igpu supports decoding h.265 422 10 bit and can make workflows with that codec much better.

I'm not familiar with the term "codecs".

[EZBakeNShake]

12 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

They're both up there so you can't go wrong with either. As for availability, it's generally not an issue in the CPU space. Since these are yearly releases/refreshes, you don't have nearly as many people waiting to purchase on release. 

Alright, good to know.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, EZBakeNShake said:

I'm not familiar with the term "codecs".

Might want to do some learning before video editing. 

 

Codecs are how videos are compressed and knowing them helps a lot when working with video.

[Zando_]

49 minutes ago, EZBakeNShake said:

I see. Are the 7000 series Ryzen chips better / more worth the price than 13th gen Intel? I'm not sure I want to deal with possible availability issues with the 14th gen chips.

Not for Adobe AFAIK. Puget Systems is your friend here, they do productivity testing with all the new CPUs to see how they stack up (they make workstations, and are nice enough to publish their numbers for everyone else). Here's their review for the 13th gen chips: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/13th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review-2369/#Video_Editing_Adobe_Premiere_Pro. The Intel chips mostly win, by a large margin, in Premiere Pro. All due to Intel QuickSync (so be sure not to get an -F chip, as those don't have the iGPU so thus no QuickSync). There are some areas where AMD's top chips will catch up, so be sure to read the whole section on their Premiere testing. 

 

[EZBakeNShake]

11 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Not for Adobe AFAIK. Puget Systems is your friend here, they do productivity testing with all the new CPUs to see how they stack up (they make workstations, and are nice enough to publish their numbers for everyone else). Here's their review for the 13th gen chips: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/13th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review-2369/#Video_Editing_Adobe_Premiere_Pro. The Intel chips mostly win, by a large margin, in Premiere Pro. All due to Intel QuickSync (so be sure not to get an -F chip, as those don't have the iGPU so thus no QuickSync). There are some areas where AMD's top chips will catch up, so be sure to read the whole section on their Premiere testing. 

 

Thank you! I will be binging their articles now.

[PDifolco]

7 hours ago, EZBakeNShake said:

Ok, what about 5000 series chips? Those are pretty cheap right now, the only issue that I can see is that AM4 MBs with DDR5 support are few and far between.

No AM4 is only DDR4, AM5 only DDR5, it's on Intel side that you can have both for 12th and 13rd gen

Imo with a budget to buy a high end chip and productivity needs, I'd go AM5 or the longevity and better efficiency, plus possible 3D chip, a 7950X3D or 7950X

At 1440p+ there's virtually no differences in gaming with an i9, and it's 20% more efficient in productivity

 

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

20 hours ago, PDifolco said:

No AM4 is only DDR4, AM5 only DDR5, it's on Intel side that you can have both for 12th and 13rd gen

Imo with a budget to buy a high end chip and productivity needs, I'd go AM5 or the longevity and better efficiency, plus possible 3D chip, a 7950X3D or 7950X

At 1440p+ there's virtually no differences in gaming with an i9, and it's 20% more efficient in productivity

 

I would say unless you're ultra-budget, you might as well get on DDR5. A 32GB kit of DDR5 has dropped to the price of a similar capacity DDR4 kit I bought 12 months ago. DDR4 prices likewise halved in the same timeframe.