i9 13900ks, rtx4090strix, is on hand. I would like to overclock cpu and ram, recommendations what motherboard and DDR5 Ram kit to get?

[Adrian007]

Can't find z790 Apex nowhere what motherboard should I get? I will be going with DDR5 ram, I would like to overclock some, I will be doing a custom ek water loop on CPU. Thoughts? (no budget)

 

Please!!!

 

Thank you, hope all is well.

[goatedpenguin]

11 minutes ago, Adrian007 said:

Can't find z790 Apex nowhere what motherboard should I get? I will be going with DDR5 ram, I would like to overclock some, I will be doing a custom ek water loop on CPU. Thoughts? (no budget)

 

Please!!!

 

Thank you, hope all is well.

Bro if your gonna overclock the 12900KS you better do it in the Antarctic that thing already goes till 5.5ghz boost clock and not to mention on cinebench it reaches reaches its tjmax(100 celcius) and is 80 degrees Celsius when gaming. OCing is another level. May I ask why do you want to oc the cpu? If you really wanted to overclock the cpu, I would try to increase the negative offset voltage as much as possible to reduce heat and increase the clock speed till it required more power, I have done this with my 12700KF and have OCed it to 5.1Ghz boost clock with the temp being +- 2 degrees Celsius.

[Adrian007]

5 minutes ago, goatedpenguin said:

Bro if your gonna overclock the 12900KS you better do it in the Antarctic that thing already goes till 5.5ghz boost clock and not to mention on cinebench it reaches reaches its tjmax(100 celcius) and is 80 degrees Celsius when gaming. OCing is another level. May I ask why do you want to oc the cpu?

ha-ha, no particular reason. mainly gaming. but dabbling with overclocking now. as this is my 3rd build. I just wanted to get it to a stable 5.8/5.9 if possible. 

[goatedpenguin]

11 minutes ago, Adrian007 said:

ha-ha, no particular reason. mainly gaming. but dabbling with overclocking now. as this is my 3rd build. I just wanted to get it to a stable 5.8/5.9 if possible. 

I can assure you that a .5ghz increase (best case) is not going to do any good while gaming, the fps increase will not be noticeable. If you are playing games like valorant or csgo which in your system would be easily pumping out 500fps+ you will not notice the difference, the human eye has its limitations. If your playing games like god of war, last of us or starfield you might want to consider OCing your gpu and not your cpu, as your gpu in your system might be the bottleneck when paired with a fast cpu.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Custom loops wont do anything to cool that thermonuclear reactor, dont think even a beefy car radiator based one would keep it cool let alone some aesthetic focused waterloop

 

If you want good gaming performance just buy a 7800x3d instead, you can still overclock with a eclk board like the b650e aorus master or the tachyon if youd like to run your rams to ~8000 ddr5, custom loops will do nothing here either as youll be limited by the garbage ihs and the 3d cache as heat insulators

 

 

If you want any decent cpu overclocks find yourself a used outdoor ac unit and make a phase change cpu block like what linus did awhile ago in the ac pc video

[Adrian007]

6 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Custom loops wont do anything to cool that thermonuclear reactor, dont think even a beefy car radiator based one would keep it cool let alone some aesthetic focused waterloop

 

If you want good gaming performance just buy a 7800x3d instead, you can still overclock with a eclk board like the b650e aorus master or the tachyon if youd like to run your rams to ~8000 ddr5, custom loops will do nothing here either as youll be limited by the garbage ihs and the 3d cache as heat insulators

 

 

If you want any decent cpu overclocks find yourself a used outdoor ac unit and make a phase change cpu block like what linus did awhile ago in the ac pc video

Thanks for thoughts and sharing! 

[Adrian007]

10 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Custom loops wont do anything to cool that thermonuclear reactor, dont think even a beefy car radiator based one would keep it cool let alone some aesthetic focused waterloop

 

If you want good gaming performance just buy a 7800x3d instead, you can still overclock with a eclk board like the b650e aorus master or the tachyon if youd like to run your rams to ~8000 ddr5, custom loops will do nothing here either as youll be limited by the garbage ihs and the 3d cache as heat insulators

 

 

If you want any decent cpu overclocks find yourself a used outdoor ac unit and make a phase change cpu block like what linus did awhile ago in the ac pc video

yea I bought the CPU already I think I have some time to return. my first 2 builds were amd so wanted to try intel, time will I guess thanks. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

41 minutes ago, Adrian007 said:

yea I bought the CPU already I think I have some time to return. my first 2 builds were amd so wanted to try intel, time will I guess thanks. 

Intel is fine but here amd just wrecks intel due to the 3d cache not to mention being more efficient

 

If i was looking at an ultimate gaming build id choose the 7800x3d over a 13900ks simply because its easier to cool and more power efficient, hence much easier to maintain subzero temps when running a phase change loop so doesnt need to be ultra beefy and you can still keep it subzero unlike intel where you need to have a really beefy phase change cooler to even stand a chance at cooling a 13900ks below ambient under load let alone sub zero

 

Why bother 13900ks only 1-2 core 6ghz boost on water when i can breeze past that with a 6ghz+ allcore 7800x3d running at -20c which dont even need that beefy of a cascade/JT phase change cooler

[Jon-Slow]

There really isn't any point to overclocking the 13900ks. It is already the fastest running processors money could buy, it scales pretty well between idle/light and heavy tasks. And under load it gives you every bit of juice it has. The only thing you would invite by overclocking that processor is instability and high temps.

[goatedpenguin]

Buy the 7800x3d and oc it, you will see a more performance gain and noticeable difference in performance, responsiveness and gaming. Not to mention lower power means more cooler cpu.

[Adrian007]

20 minutes ago, goatedpenguin said:

But the 7800x3d and oc that is you will see a more gain and noticeable difference in performance, responsiveness and gaming. Not to mention lower power means more cooler cpu.

i might return 13900ks for 7800x3d after viewing and reading some stuff. 

[Adrian007]

1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Intel is fine but here amd just wrecks intel due to the 3d cache not to mention being more efficient

 

If i was looking at an ultimate gaming build id choose the 7800x3d over a 13900ks simply because its easier to cool and more power efficient, hence much easier to maintain subzero temps when running a phase change loop so doesnt need to be ultra beefy and you can still keep it subzero unlike intel where you need to have a really beefy phase change cooler to even stand a chance at cooling a 13900ks below ambient under load let alone sub zero

 

Why bother 13900ks only 1-2 core 6ghz boost on water when i can breeze past that with a 6ghz+ allcore 7800x3d running at -20c which dont even need that beefy of a cascade/JT phase change cooler

i might listen to you and return the 13900ks for 7800x3d after viewing and reading some stuff

[Jon-Slow]

Just now, Adrian007 said:

i might return 13900ks for 7800x3d after viewing and reading some stuff. 

Yeah, probably should've done that if this is a 100% gaming only system. But if you do anything else besides gaming then the 13900K is the best choice.

 

But also, I probably wouldn't return the 13900KS, it's a beast as is and you'll probably spend more for the 7800x3d and it's new motherboard

[Adrian007]

4 minutes ago, Jon-Slow said:

Yeah, probably should've done that if this is a 100% gaming only system. But if you do anything else besides gaming then the 13900K is the best choice.

 

But also, I probably wouldn't return the 13900KS, it's a beast as is and you'll probably spend more for the 7800x3d and it's new motherboard

new build.. i haven't bought motherboard yet. just cpu and gpu i have for now.

[Adrian007]

1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Intel is fine but here amd just wrecks intel due to the 3d cache not to mention being more efficient

 

If i was looking at an ultimate gaming build id choose the 7800x3d over a 13900ks simply because its easier to cool and more power efficient, hence much easier to maintain subzero temps when running a phase change loop so doesnt need to be ultra beefy and you can still keep it subzero unlike intel where you need to have a really beefy phase change cooler to even stand a chance at cooling a 13900ks below ambient under load let alone sub zero

 

Why bother 13900ks only 1-2 core 6ghz boost on water when i can breeze past that with a 6ghz+ allcore 7800x3d running at -20c which dont even need that beefy of a cascade/JT phase change cooler

which motherboard do you reccomend for do 7800x3d ??

[Somerandomtechyboi]

17 minutes ago, Adrian007 said:

which motherboard do you reccomend for do 7800x3d ??

B650e aorus master / x670e-a/f or the b650e tachyon if you intend to do some 8000+ ram oc

 

If you dont wanna oc then any <200$ board will do like the b650 pg lightning, pro rs, etc.

[goatedpenguin]

9 hours ago, Adrian007 said:

which motherboard do you reccomend for do 7800x3d ??

If you have the budget and want to overclock go for the x670E motherboards lineup if not I would recommend going for the b650E motherboard lineups as tbh overclocking in gaming does not make a big difference it’s only worth it if your doing  3D graphic design or using apps like blender, davinchy resolve etc. FYI overclocking RAM on an AMD systems would be a feat to accomplish, RAM on AMD systems tend to be more unstable while overclocking.

[Adrian007]

1 hour ago, goatedpenguin said:

If you have the budget and want to overclock go for the x670E motherboards lineup if not I would recommend going for the b650E motherboard lineups as tbh overclocking in gaming does not make a big difference it’s only worth it if your doing  3D graphic design or using apps like blender, davinchy resolve etc. FYI overclocking RAM on an AMD systems would be a feat to accomplish, RAM on AMD systems tend to be more unstable while overclocking.

thanks bud 

[Adrian007]

10 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

B650e aorus master / x670e-a/f or the b650e tachyon if you intend to do some 8000+ ram oc

 

If you dont wanna oc then any <200$ board will do like the b650 pg lightning, pro rs, etc.

thanks bud 

[Adrian007]

13 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

B650e aorus master / x670e-a/f or the b650e tachyon if you intend to do some 8000+ ram oc

 

If you dont wanna oc then any <200$ board will do like the b650 pg lightning, pro rs, etc.

which is cream of crop do you think ? 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

7 hours ago, Adrian007 said:

which is cream of crop do you think ? 

Any 2dimm mobo

 

B650e tachyon would problably be my pick, but going for the cream of the crop is pretty pointless unless youll use the extra features, in this case 8000+ ddr5 oc and eclk oc capabilities

 

If you do go ahead with something like the b650e tachyon or any other 2dimm board you can ask @RONOTHAN## for ddr5 oc help

[RONOTHAN##]

36 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

B650e tachyon would problably be my pick

That board also doesn't really exist. There's less than 1000 ever made and it was released exclusively in Asia AFAIK, so if you don't already own one you're not getting one. If you want a 2 dimmer, the only real option is the Gene or going for ITX boards. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

15 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

That board also doesn't really exist. There's less than 1000 ever made and it was released exclusively in Asia AFAIK, so if you don't already own one you're not getting one. If you want a 2 dimmer, the only real option is the Gene or going for ITX boards. 

I wonder why there are so few 2dimm boards when 4dimm is complete trash for speed not to mention 48gb and probs later on 64gb sticks existing

[RONOTHAN##]

10 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

I wonder why there are so few 2dimm boards when 4dimm is complete trash for speed not to mention 48gb and probs later on 64gb sticks existing

Simple, they don't sell well and when AM5 originally released they didn't offer any benefits. It wasn't till the 1.0.0.7b AGESA did they offer any semblance of an advantage, and even then the performance difference between a tuned 8000 CL36 setup and a much easier and works on every motherboard 6200 CL30 setup is small at best in most workloads. If I were going to be buying a higher end AM5 board now, unless I could find a really good deal on a Gene I'd just be getting a B650E-E Strix or the B650E Taichi Lite depending on if I care enough to bother with ECLK (even that's not super useful), the 1DPC boards just don't matter all that much.

 

AMD's Gear 2 is more for screenshots and Y-Cruncher scores than it is for actual daily performance, and unless you're more into benchmarking than actually playing games it's just not worth the effort. Again, if I went Ryzen 7000 I'd be going for a Taichi Lite/B650E-E Strix and tuning for somewhere between 6000 and 6400 depending on how good my CPU is, not really bothering with tuning 7200+ other than just quick tests to see if it works, It's just not worth the effort. Same reason why my main Intel rig is running DDR5 7200 rather than DDR5 8000, I can get it there fully stable if I try (I did with my old A die), but they didn't like 7600 without overheating even with a fan (my board and/or 24Gb DIMMs need very high DRAM VDDQ (1.55V+) to get high frequency, and my 24Gb sticks start to roll over with voltage above ~1.4-1.45V), and the performance difference is just not enough to be noticeable other than for screenshots for me to put any more effort into it. There is very much a point of diminishing returns, and a lot of these high settings are past that. 

[Adrian007]

8 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

That board also doesn't really exist. There's less than 1000 ever made and it was released exclusively in Asia AFAIK, so if you don't already own one you're not getting one. If you want a 2 dimmer, the only real option is the Gene or going for ITX boards. 

Thank you