Printer PPM Question

[TylerD321]

Hey all. I am looking at one of these “Canon imageRUNNER ADVANCE DX C5860i” at work.

 

After looking through the specifications I found that the printer is capable of printing 60 ppm (pages per minute). However, this is not very specific.

 

Is this 60 ppm if you only print one sided or 60 ppm regardless of whether or not you print both sides?

 

I guess my main question is if I were to print both sides, would my ppm be roughly 30 or 60?

[Agall]

2 minutes ago, TylerD321 said:

Hey all. I am looking at one of these “Canon imageRUNNER ADVANCE DX C5860i” at work.

 

After looking through the specifications I found that the printer is capable of printing 60 ppm (pages per minute). However, this is not very specific.

 

Is this 60 ppm if you only print one sided or 60 ppm regardless of whether or not you print both sides?

 

I guess my main question is if I were to print both sides, would my ppm be roughly 30 or 60?

It depends on how the duplexer works and the print head configuration. If its only got one print head, then it'll duplex to print on both sides. I doubt that printer has dual print heads, but I'll look into it more.

 

The difference here is that a page is only one side, a sheet is two sides. So it'll do 60 ppm regardless, but probably 30 sheets per minute if you're printing double sided.

[manikyath]

3 minutes ago, Agall said:

So it'll do 60 ppm regardless, but probably 30 sheets per minute if you're printing double sided.

probably closer to 20-25, because flipping the paper around takes time.. or 15 if it doesnt speed up to flip the page.

[mariushm]

The specifications say 60ppm single sided only. Double sided will most likely be less than half of that, depends on mechanism used to rotate the page.  Some printers push out a page once a side is printed then "suck it" back in and move it through the mechanism again... others loop the paper so it keeps the speed.

[Agall]

8 minutes ago, manikyath said:

probably closer to 20-25, because flipping the paper around takes time.. or 15 if it doesnt speed up to flip the page.

Quite possible, its also possible the 60ppm is designed to compensate for the time it takes to duplex.

 

 

I see no caveat for duplexing, its also using 'up to' guess-timations:

[Agall]

3 hours ago, Agall said:

It depends on how the duplexer works and the print head configuration. If its only got one print head, then it'll duplex to print on both sides. I doubt that printer has dual print heads, but I'll look into it more.

 

The difference here is that a page is only one side, a sheet is two sides. So it'll do 60 ppm regardless, but probably 30 sheets per minute if you're printing double sided.

So that speed should be the fastest speed its capable of doing with standard 8.5x11" paper single sided. The speed of the duplexer and therefore double sided printing is entirely dependent on the speed+distance of the feeding and duplexing.

 

An example being an industrial level Ricoh like a Pro C9200, has a substantial travel distance for the feeding and duplexing, so printing double sided cuts the rate down to like 1/3rd the ppm of single sided.

 

That printer being similar to the Ricoh C4500 I manage so it should be pretty close to half, since its got a relatively short travel time, so like 22-24ppm like @manikyath suggests.

[lewies]

PPM is based on a generic print used accross all manufacturers, it’s like a benchmark for your printer. When you start adding color, quality, noise reduction, duplexing, odd sizes, sorting and finishing it will affect the output. 
 

Drivers and what programs you print from will also affect the processing time for your pc to communicate to your printer over the network. C5xxx canon is an Enterprise level device and can handle high workloads. If you find it slow processing try selecting print as image from .pdf or check TX speeds in network config. 
 

to isolate the issue a windows ‘test page’ should start printing straight away that will rule out printer, network, OS

 

all thats left is ‘what’ and from ‘where’

[lewies]

On 8/8/2023 at 7:16 AM, Agall said:

So that speed should be the fastest speed its capable of doing with standard 8.5x11" paper single sided. The speed of the duplexer and therefore double sided printing is entirely dependent on the speed+distance of the feeding and duplexing.

 

An example being an industrial level Ricoh like a Pro C9200, has a substantial travel distance for the feeding and duplexing, so printing double sided cuts the rate down to like 1/3rd the ppm of single sided.

 

That printer being similar to the Ricoh C4500 I manage so it should be pretty close to half, since its got a relatively short travel time, so like 22-24ppm like @manikyath suggests.

Comparing apples and bananas here,

The C5xxx and C9200 is not designed to produce the same thing.