win11 tiny any good?

[Joker-_-Glitch]

win11 tiny11

 

is it safe to download and use? can it be downloaded?

Has anyone used it and what was their experience?

[Levent]

I would not recommend any sane person to use a "custom versions" of a closed source operating system.

[Joker-_-Glitch]

3 minutes ago, Levent said:

I would not recommend any sane person to use a "custom versions" of a closed source operating system.

and a crazy person??

[Levent]

Just now, Joker-_-Glitch said:

and a crazy person??

nope

[Joker-_-Glitch]

1 minute ago, Levent said:

nope

if i may ask 

why no?

[Levent]

4 minutes ago, Joker-_-Glitch said:

if i may ask 

why no?

Because isnt it always fun to expect a clear installation of an operating system to work and instead be faced with broken stuff. tiny11 and tiny10 are broken out of the box and should not be used.

[Needfuldoer]

32 minutes ago, Joker-_-Glitch said:

if i may ask 

why no?

You never know what they messed around with, what broke in the process, or what they added to it.

[GoodBytes]

4 minutes ago, 8tg said:

To be fair windows in general is broken out of the box and shouldn’t be used.

Very constructive statement. How is it broken?

Why are millions+ of people are using it and it just works great?

[GoodBytes]

45 minutes ago, Joker-_-Glitch said:

win11 tiny11

 

is it safe to download and use? can it be downloaded?

Has anyone used it and what was their experience?

I would also not recommend. What is your concern with the normal official release of Windows 11?

[manikyath]

Tiny11 is a steaming pile of hot garbage made solely for the purpose of getting headlines, because it is so cut down it is actually, structurally, broken.

 

the only good thing that came out of Tiny11 is that the guy actually made some guides about custom ISO's, so if you're feeling adventurous you can dabble with it, but expect to do douzens of reinstalls before you get stuff right.

[GoodBytes]

24 minutes ago, 8tg said:

 

What is your system specs?

Taking guesses here:

- The screenshot shows a GPU rendering issue. Bad memory (even if it works fine in games), or some serious driver problem.

 

- For the performance dropping as a cliff, this happens when your out of cache from your SSD. It seems that the SSD doesn't meet your needs.

 

 

24 minutes ago, 8tg said:

It got this slow because my entire cpu was being occupied by Microsoft defender and windows update.

What is your CPU? Is it Windows 11 ready?

Windows 11 uses demanding security features which really needs hardware acceleration to offset the performance offset.

 

24 minutes ago, 8tg said:

Add that onto a suspend and hibernate system that you can’t disable normally, you have to disable it with GPE and console commands, superfetch running at all times, also difficult to disable.

You can, under power options panel. Why do you want to do that to begin with? It disables Fast Startup. I mean it's great if you fidn your system starts too fast for you. But aside from that...

 

24 minutes ago, 8tg said:

All in a fresh windows 11 install was nearly unusable for 6 hours, after which point it “settled down” a little and still idled at 3.5gb of ram usage.

Put 2GB of RAM, watch how Windows will drop to ~730MB. RAM is meant to be used. In an ideal world, RAM is consumed at 100%. Windows adapts itself to how much RAM you have, the more you have, the more it will consume. It will free what it can if you need actually need it.

 

That said, all your concerns seems to comes down that your system doesn't meet your actual needs.

 

24 minutes ago, 8tg said:

just because people are used to it being bad, doesn’t make it ok that it’s bad 

Nah, it's just you. Reviews showed no performance drop between Win11/Win10 with compatible hardware. Benchmark of hardware from reviewers, shows no difference.

 

Windows can't OC your system and make miracles. You can install Linux based OS of similar compentacy and feature set, and you won't have a boost of performance. The only reason why it is suggested for old hardware is that you have still have support 

 

24 minutes ago, 8tg said:

 

 

[GoodBytes]

2 hours ago, 8tg said:

Polar opposite, N100, 3070ti, 16gb of 3200mhz ddr4 with a brand new 1tb Samsung 980 nvme ssd.

Bloat

And I want to use it for things that I want, not have it used for no reason by background services I don’t use

“Old hardware”

the other system in question is an 11900K, 64gb of ram and a 16gb arc A770

 

The N100 minus any potential bottleneck is an extreme example of course but it’s still equivalent to about an i5 4570, it’s unacceptable that just the operating system as is drags it down so hard. When just regular things are suffering in performance such as extracting a zip file because the OS decided to use all the resources for nonsensical processes.

I do not need windows defender to be doing a full scan while windows update tries to install a new version of net framework or whatever, at that time I needed the system to extract cinnebench snd it told me to wait. That is unacceptable.

 

Use windows 7 or 8.1 again for a while and see what it did right as far as variable levels of user interactivity go. You could leave 7 to it’s own devices and it would do the same things that 10/11 so, automatic updates, defender kinda doing its own thing, not the best with resource management.

But with 7 turning off windows update or defender was literally just a button, in an easy to get to settings menu. And at most it would give you a little complaint on the task bar when you started it up that those features were turned off. They wouldn’t turn back on unless you clicked the button yourself.

 

The OS should respect the user and what the user wants to do. Knowing that Microsoft had that down properly in the past and seemingly lost track of that capability is an insult to the users.

I see why people want these tiny operating systems, it cuts out all the work for them to remove all the nonsense they don’t need, leaving behind the compatibility that is sometimes needed which only comes with modern windows.

You can’t use windows 7 to play current AAA games, so if you want that experience of an OS without the mindset of the consumer being clueless, and you want your current AAA games, you need to modify your OS the hard way or find a prepackaged OS where someone did that for you.

If you want a windows 11 install without a Microsoft account you have to follow this guide that requires you to trick your PC into thinking you don’t have internet and entering command prompt lines:

https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

And I don’t want to use a Microsoft account for anything because Microsoft insists on spamming me for everything I ever do. In order to get that windows 11 install it forced me to reset a password to an account I haven’t used since the Xbox 360 days since my password was from the Xbox 360 days, then after installing windows with that account continued to email me:

 Why do I need an email that I used fucking Bing?

I “binged” ublock origin and Microsoft had a manic episode about anyone using bing and wanted to remind me I used bing.

 

N100? A laptop CPU nonetheless. Are you joking? Completely miss balanced system, and you complain? 

 

Listen, it sucks that that this is the only thing you can afford. I feel you. I don't have a GPU. But I don't complain that Windows sucks because my AMD 7700X iGPU sucks. I am happy having my game launch.

[Joker-_-Glitch]

7 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

N100? A laptop CPU nonetheless. Are you joking? Completely miss balanced system, and you complain? 

n100 rly,and he complains

7 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

 

Listen, it sucks that that this is the only thing you can afford. I feel you. I don't have a GPU. But I don't complain that Windows sucks because my AMD 7700X iGPU sucks. I am happy having my game launch.

 

 

 

 

if I may ask, what windows are you using (winxp-win7-win11..tiny11)

[GoodBytes]

6 hours ago, Joker-_-Glitch said:

may ask, what windows are you using (winxp-win7-win11..tiny11)

Windows 11 Pro - Insider - Canary Build

Runs above and beyond. I also used it on a temp system for several months (bought but have it away to a family member. Old PC motherboard broke, and was due to an upgrade), a Core i3 12100, and I was stunned how far Core i3's went in performance. Win11 ran above and beyond on it.

[Lurking]

I run W11 on an old dual core with 8GB just fine. I even had it on an older DDR3 dual core system and it ran fine. All with SATA SSD.

 

You can find simple ways to get rid of bloat you don't need. Installing without MS account also is easy. Use Rufus to create an iso to install on older hardware. 

 

Security features like virus scan and updates should NOT be easy to defeat 

[Ultraforce]

Chris Titus recently did a video on some customizations that can be done during and after Windows Installation to clean stuff up, it is not recommended to use custom Windows ISOs and similar systems and in general using a debloat tool like what Chris made is safer.

There's also the obvious thing that admitedly kind of sucks that if you want Windows to be going at a good pace you probably should do a clean install rather than the upgrade windows 10 to windows 11. Even though that can make setting stuff up back how you want it to be a bit of a pain.

[Joker-_-Glitch]

7 hours ago, Lurking said:

I run W11 on an old dual core with 8GB just fine. I even had it on an older DDR3 dual core system and it ran fine. All with SATA SSD.

 

You can find simple ways to get rid of bloat you don't need. Installing without MS account also is easy. Use Rufus to create an iso to install on older hardware. 

it can really be installed on old hardware without any problems

 

7 hours ago, Lurking said:

Security features like virus scan and updates should NOT be easy to defeat 

if you can defeat them easily then they are useless

[Joker-_-Glitch]

10 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Windows 11 Pro - Insider - Canary Build

Runs above and beyond. I also used it on a temp system for several months (bought but have it away to a family member. Old PC motherboard broke, and was due to an upgrade), a Core i3 12100, and I was stunned how far Core i3's went in performance. Win11 ran above and beyond on it.

is it better than win10, do you notice?

[Joker-_-Glitch]

15 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Windows 11 Pro - Insider - Canary Build

Runs above and beyond. I also used it on a temp system for several months (bought but have it away to a family member. Old PC motherboard broke, and was due to an upgrade), a Core i3 12100, and I was stunned how far Core i3's went in performance. Win11 ran above and beyond on it.

 

10 hours ago, Ultraforce said:

Chris Titus recently did a video on some customizations that can be done during and after Windows Installation to clean stuff up, it is not recommended to use custom Windows ISOs and similar systems and in general using a debloat tool like what Chris made is safer.

There's also the obvious thing that admitedly kind of sucks that if you want Windows to be going at a good pace you probably should do a clean install rather than the upgrade windows 10 to windows 11. Even though that can make setting stuff up back how you want it to be a bit of a pain.

just a question
I'm installing win11 via USB on a PC with win10 (win10 is activated), so I'm wondering if my vin11 will be activated

[GoodBytes]

8 hours ago, Joker-_-Glitch said:

it can really be installed on old hardware without any problems

Beside performance drop due to the security features, which older CPUs don't have the needed acceleration hardware for them to offset the performance.

 

 

 

[GoodBytes]

7 hours ago, Joker-_-Glitch said:

is it better than win10, do you notice?

I actually use my system for work. And so, Windows 11 brings a lot of features and improvements that affects me directly. So yes, Win11 is much better than Win10.

My biggest complaint was taskbar ungrouping was gone, but I still went through as the upsides outweigh the down for me by a lot, and recently Insiders have taskbar ungrouping feature, so its big win.

 

Some of the big features that I enjoy the most:

• WSL (Windows subsystem for Linux) improvements
• WSA (Windows subsystem for Android)
• Windows Terminal as default command line interface
• Window Snapping improvements.
• Multi-monitor improvement, including window tracking for monitors who disconnects from the GPU when input is switch on them. (Win10: everything moves to main monitor, Win11 it does that, but once the monitor is reconnected, everything is back how it was before the input was switched)
• Bluetooth headset audio auto-switching communication mode and audio mode (works like phones)
• Bluetooth AAC codec support (Win10 is limited to SBS), so HUGE audio quality boost if you use Bluetooth audio headsets.
• AutoHDR
• New Notepad app (unlimited undo, restore from restart even if file was never saved, improved search)
• Window Snap improvements
• Faster Windows Updates
• Start menu "Recommended" section. I used to, like many, hate it. But I actually gave it a try in implementing it my workflow, and I actually enjoy it. I miss it when I switch back to Win10 system. You just directly jump on a file/project you were working on, or recently downloaded.
• The new Detail Pane in File Explorer (Windows Insiders only for now)
• Support for more file decompression/compression: .rar, .7z, .tar.gz and more. (Windows Insider only for now) No need to install additional software.

 

Note: When I say, "Windows Insiders only", it means that Microsoft is doing public testing, and fixing problems. These features, while functional, could/can/does contain issues that Microsoft is fixing. Once it will be ready with other features, it will be released publicly.

[Mina G]

On 8/5/2023 at 5:02 PM, GoodBytes said:

Very constructive statement. How is it broken?

Why are millions+ of people are using it and it just works great?

although h is joking because they don't have another option specially in games  and if you want to do other thing with your PC it''s not economical option to buy a console for me  i use Linux but i do understand it's not for everybody

 

 

On 8/6/2023 at 5:11 PM, GoodBytes said:

• WSL (Windows subsystem for Linux) improvements
• WSA (Windows subsystem for Android)
• Windows Terminal as default command line interface
• Window Snapping improvements.
• Multi-monitor improvement, including window tracking for monitors who disconnects from the GPU when input is switch on them. (Win10: everything moves to main monitor, Win11 it does that, but once the monitor is reconnected, everything is back how it was before the input was switched)
• Bluetooth headset audio auto-switching communication mode and audio mode (works like phones)
• Bluetooth AAC codec support (Win10 is limited to SBS), so HUGE audio quality boost if you use Bluetooth audio headsets.
• AutoHDR
• New Notepad app (unlimited undo, restore from restart even if file was never saved, improved search)
• Window Snap improvements
• Faster Windows Updates
• Start menu "Recommended" section. I used to, like many, hate it. But I actually gave it a try in implementing it my workflow, and I actually enjoy it. I miss it when I switch back to Win10 system. You just directly jump on a file/project you were working on, or recently downloaded.
• The new Detail Pane in File Explorer (Windows Insiders only for now)
• Support for more file decompression/compression: .rar, .7z, .tar.gz and more. (Windows Insider only for now) No need to install additional software.

• i agree with you but Microsoft made the OS tied with cloud now if Microsoft want to disable win11 literally they could completely disable it remember when the certificate expired and "offline tools" in windows stopped working
• the kernel of the system has bad scheduling with higher core count (ex.. threadreaper )
• they screw the Win32 API and the developers wouldn't able to use it properly  and yet now there is problem with it and that's because they keep this hypird mode with UWP and of cource once it had good adaption they will eventually  retire the old API and i can't stress how UWP is stupid but that's topic for another discussion
• the flawed testing they use with windows and broken updates theat you get
• and of course the forced updated i don't understand how it's nobody talking about it not only they push bad updated they force it upon you the situation with windows is messed up although as you said there is some good things but there  a lot of bad declension has been taken by MS i can go on but i think you got my point

[GoodBytes]

3 hours ago, Mina Ghattas said:

• i agree with you but Microsoft made the OS tied with cloud now if Microsoft want to disable win11 literally they could completely disable it remember when the certificate expired and "offline tools" in windows stopped working

Well Windows is an OS that is heavily attacked, and its user base is base is of all spectrums of knowledge. Feel free to disagree, this is above my knowledge in security, but if you think Microsoft has this "master plan to control the world!!!!" then you are wrong. Their decision of digital signature isn't out of someone bum. You have hundreds of engineers working together, and this is the solution that was came up with. 

 

3 hours ago, Mina Ghattas said:

• the kernel of the system has bad scheduling with higher core count (ex.. threadreaper )

Well, Windows was never designed for servers. Microsoft knows that they missed the boat on the servers, and since ages and ages ago, hasn't cared. They are going with PC home users. As "Server edition" is really for company account management. Even for things like ASP.NET was ported for Linux: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/host-and-deploy/linux-nginx?view=aspnetcore-7.0&tabs=linux-ubuntu

 

3 hours ago, Mina Ghattas said:

• they screw the Win32 API and the developers wouldn't able to use it properly  and yet now there is problem with it and that's because they keep this hypird mode with UWP and of cource once it had good adaption they will eventually  retire the old API and i can't stress how UWP is stupid but that's topic for another discussion

I won't say that. Win32 is what made Windows what it is today. It opens a lot of doors that is just impossible under other OSs. You said that UWP is stupid, but that is the model used on other platforms, like Android and iOS. Closed environment, which limits a dev creativity to essentially a set of APIs. "Oh, you want to make your own web browser. Too bad, you are using Safari engine, here are the only APIs avail for you". While Win32 has all doors open since day 1. Of course, like MSDOS, and Windows 9x. It wasn't designed for the world we are in. Everything was designed in a perfect world, where users are expected to be knowledgeable. The wrong train of thought to have, of course. But Microsoft has been correcting this and still are. The problem is that they don't have the luxury of Apple. They can't say "Too bad! Not my problem!", and the user base goes "Yea, cool! I understand, I'll do what it takes, regardless of cost/resources involve adopting the change". When Microsoft tries, just touching the water with the idea, massive backslash occurs. Microsoft is stuck doing baby steps.

 

UWP has changed A LOT since its inception and is being merged into Win32. It's not a layer, it's an evolution of Win32. You can see baby step being formed.
Example, Win32 apps which has nothing to do with UWP, is now being identified of using the webcam under Settings > Privacy & Security under Windows 11. In the past, it could not know which app used the camera, or whatever. It's a question of time before we will have toggles for apps, and a history log (date/time) of what Win32 app used the camera. Maybe Microsoft will leave that for Win12 just to demark the change with a new version of Windows and make it easier to demark some odd apps no longer working under this new version of Windows. Who knows what MS plans are, but this is my guesses with all the info I have.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11-win32-app-isolation-security-feature-now-in-preview/

 

3 hours ago, Mina Ghattas said:

• the flawed testing they use with windows and broken updates theat you get

Microsoft still have testers. Microsoft policy is to mostly contracts everything that isn't software development and core function of a company (HR, Product Owner, Product Managers, for examples). They just remove the role of Software Developer in Test. A role that is very Microsoft specific in Microsoft world. This position doesn't exist outside of Microsoft, beside the few companies who decided to follow through. Their role is to build tests for each function made and components. This is normally delegated to developers and QA team (which builds the automation tests).

 

If anything, the removal of that position, simply exposed that their QA contractors were never good, and only appeared good as those within MS reported most issues. And the devs probably never had the expertise needed to make strong unit tests. Today, Windows updates have been significantly more solid than the early days of Windows 10, when they axed the SDT role. And the telemetry-based update system prevents wide-spread issues.

 

Users had issues with Updates even before XP. This is nothing new, despite the SDT roles, and everything. Nothing new. People are just more vocal about it. And even when you update a software or game, you can have new issues. Such as life. It's not MS specific. Telemetry data from MS showed a massive degrease in issues.

 

 

3 hours ago, Mina Ghattas said:

• and of course the forced updated i don't understand how it's nobody talking about it not only they push bad updated they force it upon you the situation with windows is messed up although as you said there is some good things but there  a lot of bad declension has been taken by MS i can go on but i think you got my point

Well, if you have an issue, telemetry will report it (unless you disabled telemetry, then that is on you), it would be blocked. Forced update has reduced significantly malware and virus from propagating. Notice how the market has now been pushed to ransomware and scams, and no longer viruses and trojans. Microsoft blocked the mentality of "if it works, don't touched" which many people followed with family members computers that they didn't want to deal with, only to have them compromised and turned into a zombie system, ready to operate in attacks, as an example of popular actual infection (and not annoying pop-ups or silly stuff like that, which I never understood the gains beside annoyances).

 

What I can say for improvement, is that if you have a failed update, and you manually check for update after the system rollbacked (which is really a feature that Linux based OS desperately needs, in my opinion. Although, I understand the massive complexity that is involved in developing this due to the way Linux is), it would not assume that you are wanting to retry the update, but rather categorize it and allow to retry it, and not just start the update. Also, having more easily accessible logs presented in a more understandable way would greatly help in troubleshooting the problem.

 

[Kid.Lazer]

On 8/6/2023 at 9:50 AM, Joker-_-Glitch said:

I'm installing win11 via USB on a PC with win10 (win10 is activated), so I'm wondering if my vin11 will be activated

Should be. I did a fresh install of Windows 11 on a system that originally went from 7 to 10, and it maintained its digital activation. And this is with a local account only, no Microsoft accounts at all.

 

On 8/6/2023 at 4:20 AM, Joker-_-Glitch said:

it can really be installed on old hardware without any problems

Very true. I just recently made a post about selling an old laptop with a Turion X2 CPU and Mobile HD 3850 GPU. It ran Windows 10 just fine. (albeit a little slow, but that is far from the OS's fault)

[Joker-_-Glitch]

39 minutes ago, Kid.Lazer said:

Should be. I did a fresh install of Windows 11 on a system that originally went from 7 to 10, and it maintained its digital activation. And this is with a local account only, no Microsoft accounts at all.

da, radi

39 minutes ago, Kid.Lazer said:

Very true. I just recently made a post about selling an old laptop with a Turion X2 CPU and Mobile HD 3850 GPU. It ran Windows 10 just fine. (albeit a little slow, but that is far from the OS's fault)

you mean win 11