Time for an upgrade?

[VaultTechEngineering]

Budget (including currency): 1000$ USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: AAA demanding titles, game streaming (like steam link), 3D rendering, and 4k video editing.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

So i'm mostly just looking to see if I have a noticeable upgrade path to squeeze out some more frames in demanding games. I currently have a decent rig, here is the link for the specs. It gets the job done but shows the cracks in it's armor when cranking the settings. I play at 1440p and my monitor is 144hz so trying to take full advantage. Just wondering if I would see more performance out of upgrading my CPU or my GPU. I know in order to see a noticeable improvement with a new CPU I would have to upgrade sockets (if I stay with Intel or not) which means new mobo and depending on the mobo, new RAM. (just in case you were wondering current CPU is OC to 5ghz). As for my GPU I know the 2080 super is a decent card but it too is starting to show its age. Basically, will I see a noticeable improvement upgrading at all, and if so should I focus more on my GPU or on my CPU?

 

[191x7]

4 minutes ago, VaultTechEngineering said:

Budget (including currency): 1000$ USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: AAA demanding titles, game streaming (like steam link), 3D rendering, and 4k video editing.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

So i'm mostly just looking to see if I have a noticeable upgrade path to squeeze out some more frames in demanding games. I currently have a decent rig, here is the link for the specs. It gets the job done but shows the cracks in it's armor when cranking the settings. I play at 1440p and my monitor is 144hz so trying to take full advantage. Just wondering if I would see more performance out of upgrading my CPU or my GPU. I know in order to see a noticeable improvement with a new CPU I would have to upgrade sockets (if I stay with Intel or not) which means new mobo and depending on the mobo, new RAM. (just in case you were wondering current CPU is OC to 5ghz). As for my GPU I know the 2080 super is a decent card but it too is starting to show its age. Basically, will I see a noticeable improvement upgrading at all, and if so should I focus more on my GPU or on my CPU?

 

For starters, you should upgrade the platform.

Your CPU is comparable to a Ryzen 5 3600X or Intel i5 10600K, basically a low end CPU for modern gaming. That means it's good for 60 fps, not for high refresh.

The 2080 Super is comparable to a 3070 or a Radeon 6700. It can still do, but also not for high refresh on 1440p.

For high refresh on 1440p, you'd need a better GPU if you want higher details. Talking Radeon 6800XT, 6900XT, 6950XT, 7900XT, GeForce RTX 3080Ti, 4070, 3090, 4070Ti ... But all of those would be severely bottlenecked by an 8700K range CPU.

I believe your CPU is holding you back, but the GPU isn't a beast either.

[VaultTechEngineering]

2 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

For starters, you should upgrade the platform.

Your CPU is comparable to a Ryzen 5 3600X or Intel i5 10600K, basically a low end CPU for modern gaming. That means it's good for 60 fps, not for high refresh.

The 2080 Super is comparable to a 3070 or a Radeon 6700. It can still do, but also not for high refresh on 1440p.

For high refresh on 1440p, you'd need a better GPU if you want higher details. Talking Radeon 6800XT, 6900XT, 6950XT, 7900XT, GeForce RTX 3080Ti, 4070, 3090, 4070Ti ... But all of those would be severely bottlenecked by an 8700K range CPU.

I believe your CPU is holding you back, but the GPU isn't a beast either.

So basically what you're saying is upgrade mobo and cpu first to make sure I'm not bottlenecking on a GPU upgrade?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Sell off that 8700k mobo and 2080

 

For cpu id reccomend going for a used 12700k, theres a decent amount of em going for around 200$ on fb marketplace, theres also a good amount of used z690 boards around 100$

 

rest of the budget you can focus on a gpu, id reccomend a used rtx 3090 which go for around 700$ on ebay (may find cheaper deals on  fb marketplace), 24gb of vram and much more powerful than a 3080

 

 

If you go new youd be facing a pretty significant downgrade to a 12600k and 6900xt

[191x7]

5 minutes ago, VaultTechEngineering said:

So basically what you're saying is upgrade mobo and cpu first to make sure I'm not bottlenecking on a GPU upgrade?

Pretty much, you summed it up perfectly.

The 2080S, if it works fine, I'd use it for a few months more till the AMD Radeon 7700XT and 7800XT come out...

[VaultTechEngineering]

5 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Pretty much, you summed it up perfectly.

The 2080S, if it works fine, I'd use it for a few months more till the AMD Radeon 7700XT and 7800XT come out...

Yea, the 2080s is perfectly serviceable and basically anything I throw at it is technically "Playable" but it leaves a lot to be desired...You've already convinced me. Looking at cpu's and mobo's as we speak. someone recommended the 12700k. is there a better cheaper offer from AMD? always been an intel guy so I don't know much about red team. 

[IkeaGnome]

13 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

If you go new youd be facing a pretty significant downgrade to a 12600k and 6900xt

How’s that a downgrade from OPs current system?

[191x7]

4 minutes ago, VaultTechEngineering said:

Yea, the 2080s is perfectly serviceable and basically anything I throw at it is technically "Playable" but it leaves a lot to be desired...You've already convinced me. Looking at cpu's and mobo's as we speak. someone recommended the 12700k. is there a better cheaper offer from AMD? always been an intel guy so I don't know much about red team. 

I can help you with that.

 

Intel is on the LGA1700 socket and on the 12th and 13th generation CPU-s. There are motherboards for those that support DDR4 RAM since the CPU-s memory controller supports both DDR4 and DDR5.

 

AMD is on an AM5 socket and the CPU-s (7000 series) have only a DDR5 controller. So no DDR4 support.

 

To use DDR4 on AMD, you'd have to go with the older AM4 platform and the Ryzen 5000 series CPU-s.

The strongest AM4 gaming CPU, the 5800X3D, has 8 cores and 16 threads and is comparable to a modern Ryzen 7700 to 7700X in most games.

The 12 and 16-core Ryzen 5000 (5900X and 5959X) are better for productivity than the 5800X3D, but they are much worse for games.

 

Intel's alternative to the 5800X3D would be the i7 12700K or the i5 13600K.

 

The strongest gaming AM5 CPU is the Ryzen 7800X3D followed by the 7900X3D and 7950X3D. On Intel the 13900K, 13700K, 12900K.

For productivity, the AMD Ryzen 7950X, 7950X3D, 7900X, 7900X3D. From Intel the ones mentioned. 

 

As for the future upgradability, AM5 is here for the next few years, probably the 8000 and 9000 series will fit.

On Intel, the LGA1700 will get a 13th generation Refresh and that's it, no real future upgrade.

AM4 has no future upgrades, it's already dead. But it might be a step in your path since it's cheap and would allow you to use DDR4.

 

All of those are good enough for modern-day mid-range cards on 1440p or 4K and, of course, the high-end cards on 4K.

By high end I mean RTX 4080, Radeon 7900XTX, RTX 4090. 

 

The 5800X3D + a B550 board might be the cheapest way -> 350 for the CPU and 200 for the MBO. Maybe even less.

The 13600K and a B760 DDR4 board might also be great, but I believe it's pricier. 

Both have pretty-much no future, so you'd have to upgrade the platform in a few years again.

[VaultTechEngineering]

1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

I can help you with that.

 

Intel is on the LGA1700 socket and on the 12th and 13th generation CPU-s. There are motherboards for those that support DDR4 RAM since the CPU-s memory controller supports both DDR4 and DDR5.

 

AMD is on an AM5 socket and the CPU-s (7000 series) have only a DDR5 controller. So no DDR4 support.

 

To use DDR4 on AMD, you'd have to go with the older AM4 platform and the Ryzen 5000 series CPU-s.

The strongest AM4 gaming CPU, the 5800X3D, has 8 cores and 16 threads and is comparable to a modern Ryzen 7700 to 7700X in most games.

The 12 and 16-core Ryzen 5000 (5900X and 5959X) are better for productivity than the 5800X3D, but they are much worse for games.

 

Intel's alternative to the 5800X3D would be the i7 12700K or the i5 13600K.

 

The strongest gaming AM5 CPU is the Ryzen 7800X3D followed by the 7900X3D and 7950X3D. On Intel the 13900K, 13700K, 12900K.

For productivity, the AMD Ryzen 7950X, 7950X3D, 7900X, 7900X3D. From Intel the ones mentioned. 

 

As for the future upgradability, AM5 is here for the next few years, probably the 8000 and 9000 series will fit.

On Intel, the LGA1700 will get a 13th generation Refresh and that's it, no real future upgrade.

AM4 has no future upgrades, it's already dead. But it might be a step in your path since it's cheap and would allow you to use DDR4.

 

All of those are good enough for modern-day mid-range cards on 1440p or 4K and, of course, the high-end cards on 4K.

By high end I mean RTX 4080, Radeon 7900XTX, RTX 4090. 

 

The 5800X3D + a B550 board might be the cheapest way -> 350 for the CPU and 200 for the MBO. Maybe even less.

The 13600K and a B760 DDR4 board might also be great, but I believe it's pricier. 

Both have pretty-much no future, so you'd have to upgrade the platform in a few years again.

I'm actually looking at the 7800X3D right now, just finished Linus's review. I don't mind upgrading the RAM as well if I have to go to DDR5 and the AM5 upgrade path is super attractive. I'm trying to build a NAS as a steam library for me and my roomate so the more parts I need to buy for my upgrade the less I need for the server. If you're recommending it as well I guess my mind is made up. Just have to do some research on a decent price to functionality mobo and I can throw the rest together pretty easy. I really like my maximus, super reliable. But it looks like the maximus doesn't have an AM5 iteration and honestly is a little more outfitted than my actual needs. like I don't need LN2 functionality and an onboard power button, lets be honest. 

[191x7]

32 minutes ago, VaultTechEngineering said:

I'm actually looking at the 7800X3D right now, just finished Linus's review. I don't mind upgrading the RAM as well if I have to go to DDR5 and the AM5 upgrade path is super attractive. I'm trying to build a NAS as a steam library for me and my roomate so the more parts I need to buy for my upgrade the less I need for the server. If you're recommending it as well I guess my mind is made up. Just have to do some research on a decent price to functionality mobo and I can throw the rest together pretty easy. I really like my maximus, super reliable. But it looks like the maximus doesn't have an AM5 iteration and honestly is a little more outfitted than my actual needs. like I don't need LN2 functionality and an onboard power button, lets be honest. 

Time for you to watch these videos

 

 

 

 

 

Meaning, you might be more than fine with a decent B650 board.

I don't recommend overspending on the motherboard.

Also, don't overspend on the RAM, Zen4 (7000) is hard to get working stable over 6000.

And with the X3D chips the RAM speed does not matter that much.

[QuantumSingularity]

Do NOT put any money in platform change now when you still can have good gaming experience. Not in Ryzen 7000 series CPU, not in an Intel build. Wait for September at least when the 14th gen Intel will drop or if you want to switch to AMD, wait for Zen 5 in 2024. The only thing i would put money towards would be an RX 7900XTX, BUT even with that i'd still prefer to wait and see how the 7800XT would perform once it launches.

[191x7]

39 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Do NOT put any money in platform change now when you still can have good gaming experience. Not in Ryzen 7000 series CPU, not in an Intel build. Wait for September at least when the 14th gen Intel will drop or if you want to switch to AMD, wait for Zen 5 in 2024. The only thing i would put money towards would be an RX 7900XTX, BUT even with that i'd still prefer to wait and see how the 7800XT would perform once it launches.

I firmly disagree. Intel 14th generation is a refresh of the 13th generation, goes on the same platform, and won't be a huge upgrade in performance if any.

So the wait would be till the end of the next year or the beginning of the one after, to get Ryzen 8000 or Intel 15th gen. Not worth waiting that long.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, IkeaGnome said:

How’s that a downgrade from OPs current system?

Im reffering to what op could be getting if buying used compared to buying new

 

Still an upgrade but quite abit worse than a 12700k + 3090

[VaultTechEngineering]

41 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Time for you to watch these videos

 

 

 

 

 

Meaning, you might be more than fine with a decent B650 board.

I don't recommend overspending on the motherboard.

Also, don't overspend on the RAM, Zen4 (7000) is hard to get working stable over 6000.

And with the X3D chips the RAM speed does not matter that much.

Hell yea, thank you. You've been a huge help. Been years since I followed current hardware so I didn't expect to have to relearn the entire market AGAIN lol.

[QuantumSingularity]

6 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

I firmly disagree. Intel 14th generation is a refresh of the 13th generation, goes on the same platform, and won't be a huge upgrade in performance if any.

So the wait would be till the end of the next year or the beginning of the one after, to get Ryzen 8000 or Intel 15th gen. Not worth waiting that long.

LGA 1851 socket

 

A new LGA 1851 socket is planned for Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake processors and a report has now revealed new features of this platform. Intel will give the processor-connected I/O interfaces an upgrade that will put it closer to the AM5 platform.

 

It's a refresh alright, but done in an Intel way - with a new chipset, new socket and an entire new platform