First build advice needed

[geocyclic]

Budget (including currency): $2500 aud

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Primarily Games: Minecraft, GTA 5, RDR2, BeamNG, Hitman 3, Jedi Survivor

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Only peripheral I need is a main screen, and I'm intending on buying in the next week or two.

 

I had made this idea, but don't really know what I'm doing.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zLVgRv

Any changes, advice, or better builds would be appreciated.

I'm also not fully sure if everything would fit? Thanks

 

[Why_Me]

Try this. G.Skill tends to work better with AM4 boards hence the reason for the memory change.  That 120mm Arctic fan goes inside the back of that case for a exhaust fan.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AK400 66.47 CFM CPU Cooler  ($38.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WIFI II ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($249.00 @ Centre Com) 
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($109.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($174.10 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: *Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  ($939.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($122.06 @ Amazon Australia) 
Power Supply: *MSI MPG A750GF 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.00 @ Centre Com) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($135.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($15.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Monitor: *Gigabyte G24F 2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 180 Hz Monitor  ($219.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Total: $2428.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-11 18:52 AEST+1000

 

A better look at those components. 

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/black-solid/  

 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/G24F-2#kf  

 

[QuantumSingularity]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($91.28 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($78.00 @ Centre Com) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($1135.20 @ Newegg Australia) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact TG Dark Tint ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($157.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans 5-Pack  ($49.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Monitor: AOC 24G2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Total: $2503.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-11 19:10 AEST+1000

 

Here you go, mate. Almost top of the line gaming rig. You don't need the P12 pack - the case comes with its own rear 120mm exhaust fan and 2x140mm intakes in the front. All you need is 2x140 on the top, but it's weird 2 of those p14 cost the same as a 5-pack of them.

Some of the other changes:

The NV2 series drives from Kingston are complete garbage. Replaced it with the OG. The Mobo is now better as well. The memory i dropped to 16GB, cause you don't really need 32GB for gaming. People started adding 32gigs because DDR5 until recently were available only in the capacity. 

As to why the CPU is dropped to 5700X instead of 5800X - their performance is exactly the same in gaming. There is an alternative system choice where you get a 5800X3D, but the GPU goes from top of the line 6950XT to 6800XT.

It will look something like this:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($486.91 @ Amazon Australia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($91.28 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($78.00 @ Centre Com) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 CORE Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($908.60 @ Newegg Australia) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact TG Dark Tint ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($157.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans 5-Pack  ($49.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Monitor: AOC 24G2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Total: $2464.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-11 19:16 AEST+1000

 

Forgoit to mention it - don't but Windows for hundreds of dollars. There are plenty of 20-ish dollar sales out there both for OEM and retail version. Jsut google it.

[Why_Me]

1 minute ago, QuantumSingularity said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($91.28 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($78.00 @ Centre Com) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($1135.20 @ Newegg Australia) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact TG Dark Tint ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($157.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans 5-Pack  ($49.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Monitor: AOC 24G2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Total: $2503.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-11 19:10 AEST+1000

 

Here you go, mate. Almost top of the line gaming rig. You don't need the P12 pack - the case comes with its own rear 120mm exhaust fan and 2x140mm intakes in the front. All you need is 2x140 on the top, but it's weird 2 of those p14 cost the same as a 5-pack of them.

16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD for a $2500 AUD build? btw that 5700X runs cool. No need for a 5lb / 2 kilo cpu cooler.

[geocyclic]

2 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($91.28 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($78.00 @ Centre Com) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($1135.20 @ Newegg Australia) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact TG Dark Tint ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($157.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans 5-Pack  ($49.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Monitor: AOC 24G2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Total: $2503.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-11 19:10 AEST+1000

 

Here you go, mate. Almost top of the line gaming rig. You don't need the P12 pack - the case comes with its own rear 120mm exhaust fan and 2x140mm intakes in the front. All you need is 2x140 on the top, but it's weird 2 of those p14 cost the same as a 5-pack of them.

Wasn't sure if the 120 fan with the case was powerful enough.

Was also looking for a motherboard with wifi, so not sure what a good option is for that?

[QuantumSingularity]

2 minutes ago, geocyclic said:

Wasn't sure if the 120 fan with the case was powerful enough.

Was also looking for a motherboard with wifi, so not sure what a good option is for that?

Gaming on wifi ???? Have you tried it before?

 

3 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD for a $2500 AUD build? btw that 5700X runs cool. No need for a 5lb / 2 kilo cpu cooler.

What is the problem??? The SSD is only a system drive for OS and programs and he has the 2TB HDD. Nothing wrong with that config, which he came up on himself anyway. I still daily run like that and there is absolutely no problem. And yes, i'd take half the capacity of a faster memory if it's more than enough, then simply dumping a ton of capacity and leaving performance behind

[filpo]

Just now, QuantumSingularity said:

Gaming on wifi ???? Have you tried it before?

They probs just want it for BT

 

3 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD for a $2500 AUD build? btw that 5700X runs cool. No need for a 5lb / 2 kilo cpu cooler.

Well they're gpu in that build is much better than a 4070. And 16 gigs is fine for now. And that cooler can accomodate better and hotter cpus like the 5800X3D or 7000 series chips down the road. Its also not too expensive

 

2 minutes ago, geocyclic said:

Wasn't sure if the 120 fan with the case was powerful enough.

Was also looking for a motherboard with wifi, so not sure what a good option is for that?

I would switch their mobo out for this then MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (B550M PRO-VDH WIFI) - PCPartPicker

[Why_Me]

1 minute ago, filpo said:

They probs just want it for BT

 

Well they're gpu in that build is much better than a 4070. And 16 gigs is fine for now. And that cooler can accomodate better and hotter cpus like the 5800X3D or 7000 series chips down the road. Its also not too expensive

 

I would switch their mobo out for this then MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (B550M PRO-VDH WIFI) - PCPartPicker

That build is horrible. He cut corners to fit a card meant for 1440P into that budget. There's nothing about that build that makes sense.  

[Why_Me]

4 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Gaming on wifi ???? Have you tried it before?

 

What is the problem??? The SSD is only a system drive for OS and programs and he has the 2TB HDD. Nothing wrong with that config, which he came up on himself anyway. I still daily run like that and there is absolutely no problem. And yes, i'd take half the capacity of a faster memory if it's more than enough, then simply dumping a ton of capacity and leaving performance behind

Gaming with a mechanical drive eh?  Are you for real.  And that 16GB of RAM is an insult.  

[filpo]

14 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.00 @ Amazon Australia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 White 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($91.28 @ Amazon Australia) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($78.00 @ Centre Com) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($1135.20 @ Newegg Australia) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact TG Dark Tint ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($157.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans 5-Pack  ($49.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Monitor: AOC 24G2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 144 Hz Monitor  ($199.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Total: $2503.48

Idk bout you @Why_Me but this doesn't seem too bad. I would probs swap that case out for a cheaper case like the CH370 Deepcool CH370 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (R-CH370-BKNAM1-G-1) - PCPartPicker and maybe some 3200mhz ram since not many ryzen chips can handle 3600 well but apart from that this seems like a good compromise for such a beastly gpu. Would probs swap that p14 fan pack out for no fans (or maybe one or two)

 

2 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

Gaming with a mechanical drive eh?  Are you for real.  And that 16GB of RAM is an insult.  

is there not a 970 evo plus in the build? 16 gigs isn't too bad nowadays. And the only real reason for gaming with 32 gigs is if your vram is spilling over (which with a 6950 xt, it won't)

[Why_Me]

1 minute ago, filpo said:

Idk bout you @Why_Me but this doesn't seem too bad. I would probs swap that case out for a cheaper case like the CH370 Deepcool CH370 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (R-CH370-BKNAM1-G-1) - PCPartPicker and maybe some 3200mhz ram since not many ryzen chips can handle 3600 well but apart from that this seems like a good compromise for such a beastly gpu. Would probs swap that p14 fan pack out for no fans (or maybe one or two)

Don't insult my intelligence.  That build is flat out bad. 

[geocyclic]

9 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Gaming on wifi ???? Have you tried it before?

I don't have access to a wired connection where it needs to go at this point.

[filpo]

3 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

Don't insult my intelligence.  That build is flat out bad. 

Sorry if I offended you. just tried to make their build better. Energy prices aren't that bad in austrailia right? If so then I would swap your 4070 out with a 6800 xt. if thats alright

[QuantumSingularity]

18 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

That build is horrible. He cut corners to fit a card meant for 1440P into that budget. There's nothing about that build that makes sense.  

dude, you again... Every single time you come at me and start with that "cutting corners" BS. Fitting a good GPU into your system isn't cutting corners. It's the EXACT OPPOSITE of that. I spent money exactly where they are supposed to be spent - GPU, nice motherboard and solid cooling. The things that will pay out more further down the road. His idea of keeping the gaming library on a separate drive isn't that bad. He won't be trashing the drive with constant reads and writes during long gaming sessions. For the same money it can easily fit a 2TB P5 NVMe drive from Crucial, but then aside from partitioning the drive, there is also the matter of drive failure. My 870 Evo SSD has the same time as my 970 Evo NVMe which is my boot drive and one is in perfect health, the other already suggests to be replaced. Have a guess which is which

And every single time you come up with that lame crap the 4070. It's GARBAGE. OVERPRICED G-A-R-B-A-G-E. Give it another year and it will have trouble running more and more games with that 12GBs. Already there are games which take 10-12GB of VRAM at 1080p so the garbage is already struggling. Idk if Nvidia sponsor you to spam that, but a 2nd hand 3090 is a better value than the crap. You may not like it as much as you want, but currently Nvidia are crap at value. That's not to say that AMD didn't sh*t their pants as well with the RX7600, but we will se how they will approach with the 7700/7800. 

16GB  of RAM is more than enough for gaming. Mechanical drives are perfectly fine for gaming. Idk what your problem is with standards that everyone have accepted.

 

I build systems regularly; about 1 a week. I am yet to hear a customer complain about his RAM not being enough or his CPU not performing well because of overcooling. I do however get complaints from customers who didn't want to listen to me and went with a lower tier GPU to save money and now wonder why their games perform way worse than they expected.

[geocyclic]

I had put the artic fans in the original build because the ones that come in the case I chose were dc, whereas the artic ones were PWC, which I was under the impression that was better, and was thinking about swapping the fans out.

[Why_Me]

10 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

dude, you again... Every single time you come at me and start with that "cutting corners" BS. Fitting a good GPU into your system isn't cutting corners. It's the EXACT OPPOSITE of that. I spent money exactly where they are supposed to be spent - GPU, nice motherboard and solid cooling. The things that will pay out more further down the road. His idea of keeping the gaming library on a separate drive isn't that bad. He won't be trashing the drive with constant reads and writes during long gaming sessions. For the same money it can easily fit a 2TB P5 NVMe drive from Crucial, but then aside from partitioning the drive, there is also the matter of drive failure. My 870 Evo SSD has the same time as my 970 Evo NVMe which is my boot drive and one is in perfect health, the other already suggests to be replaced. Have a guess which is which

And every single time you come up with that lame crap the 4070. It's GARBAGE. OVERPRICED G-A-R-B-A-G-E. Give it another year and it will have trouble running more and more games with that 12GBs. Already there are games which take 10-12GB of VRAM at 1080p so the garbage is already struggling. Idk if Nvidia sponsor you to spam that, but a 2nd hand 3090 is a better value than the crap. You may not like it as much as you want, but currently Nvidia are crap at value. That's not to say that AMD didn't sh*t their pants as well with the RX7600, but we will se how they will approach with the 7700/7800. 

16GB  of RAM is more than enough for gaming. Mechanical drives are perfectly fine for gaming. Idk what your problem is with standards that everyone have accepted.

 

The OP put together his first build ever and he managed to do better job of it than you. That right there should tell you something. You skimped on the RAM and SSD just to fit a card meant for 1440P into that build. 

[Why_Me]

6 minutes ago, geocyclic said:

I had put the artic fans in the original build because the ones that come in the case I chose were dc, whereas the artic ones were PWC, which I was under the impression that was better, and was thinking about swapping the fans out.

That Fractal case I posted comes with 2x140mm front intake fans.  Add the 120mm Arctic as an exhaust fan and you're gold. That case has a mesh front panel and a mesh top ... it's in the link I posted.  

[QuantumSingularity]

4 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

The OP put together his first build ever and he managed to do better job of it than you. That right there should tell you something. You skimped on the RAM and SSD just to fit a card meant for 1440P into that build. 

The last time i saw you had no idea what a DRAM-less SSD is and what is the difference between it and a good one. So don't intend to waste energy trying to explain you stuff you don't want to learn anyway.

[geocyclic]

4 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

That Fractal case I posted comes with 2x140mm front intake fans.  Add the 120mm Arctic as an exhaust fan and you're gold. That case has a mesh front panel and a mesh top ... it's in the link I posted.  

Does having PWM fans not matter as much then?

[Why_Me]

1 minute ago, QuantumSingularity said:

The last time i saw you had no idea what a DRAM-less SSD is and what is the difference between it and a good one. So don't intend to waste energy trying to explain you stuff you don't want to learn anyway.

The next time I feel like getting hosed I'll come to you for a $2000+ build so I can get a whopping 16GB of RAM and a prehistoric mechanical drive.

 

Here's the SSD I posted in that build ... the miracle of no DRAM cache.   

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-black-sn770-1-tb/    

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn770-ssd-review

[Why_Me]

2 minutes ago, geocyclic said:

Does having PWM fans not matter as much then?

You want the PWM fans so that you can adjust them in your bios to set the fan curve. That way those fans aren't running full blast every time you turn on your PC.

[geocyclic]

1 minute ago, Why_Me said:

You want the PWM fans so that you can adjust them in your bios to set the fan curve. That way those fans aren't running full blast every time you turn on your PC.

The fans in the case you suggested seem to not have PWM

[QuantumSingularity]

15 minutes ago, geocyclic said:

Does having PWM fans not matter as much then?

the difference between PWM and DC fans is in the control, not the power/capacity. PWM fans have finer RPM control than DC fans. Both are able to move the same amount of air, it's just how well they can be controlled below max RPM. One can be controlled in steps of 25 or 50 RPM, the other in 100 or 200 depending on the model. So one fan can be set at 1350 the other has to be 1200 or 1300 or 1400. It's very basic explanation, but in general these are the differences. The PWM require circuitry on their motor which translates the pulses that come over the 4th wire and that's why they are usually more expensive. A bit more engineering needed and more parts. as for DC fans the control is over the 2 voltage wires, while the 3rd wire reports the RPMs to the mobo.

[Why_Me]

Just now, geocyclic said:

The fans in the case you suggested seem to not have PWM

It's the exhaust fan.  

 

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/53198/arctic-p12-pwm-pst-120mm-pressure-optimised-fan  

Connector: 4-Pin 

Fan Speed: 200 - 1800 rpm

[geocyclic]

1 hour ago, Why_Me said:

Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($122.06 @ Amazon Australia) 

Was there a main reason you chose this case over the first one?

Just the price, or the size or something?