PC Build Plan Review for Friend (New Streamer)

[FaTaLMercenery]

Budget (including currency): ~$2000USD

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Going to be used for work(nothing very intensive) and streaming games(Fortnite, Call of Duty, other AAA games)

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

This build is 100% from scratch, meaning it needs to include peripherals(2x monitors, mouse, keyboard, headset).

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WrZ9sL

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($219.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 GAMING X AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($81.98 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($104.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming D OC Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($499.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Best Buy) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - USB 64-bit  ($138.98 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQA1A 27.0" 2560 x 1440 170 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQA1A 27.0" 2560 x 1440 170 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Logitech G610 Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($60.99 @ Amazon) 
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder V3  Optical Mouse  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Headphones: SteelSeries Arctis Prime  Headset  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2046.84

 

The build is for a friend and I am willing to go Intel, I just have more knowledge/experience with AMD CPUs. For the monitors, since he will also be using it to do accounting work, I figured larger monitors would be better, and 1080p wouldn't look great at that screen size. Those were the cheapest 1440p monitors I could find over 120Hz.

 

Just need opinions on possible alternative components or if this is a good build.

[SorryBella]

31 minutes ago, FaTaLMercenery said:

meaning it needs to include peripherals

Does he truly need 2 monitors? Also, whats his opinion on in-ear and TKL? Streaming via OBS i assume?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rymm4s

13700f + 3090 + 32gb 3200c16

 

Used gpu so make sure you can return incase faulty

[Why_Me]

@FaTaLMercenery I see a couple of red flags in your build. Streaming with 16GB of RAM is one, and streaming with a 6 core cpu is another. The frame rates are going to take a beating no matter what if you're streaming from the same PC that you're gaming on hence the reason I would seriously look at 1080P if you play first person shooter games. You want 32GB of RAM and more cores.  Use Nvidia's NVENC with OBS for a decent streaming experience.  Here's a case with better airflow (2x140mm intake fans + 1x120mm exhaust fan), an i7 cpu, faster SSD and 32GB of RAM. 

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/broadcasting/  

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/guides/broadcasting-guide/ 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($329.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($48.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($95.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: *MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($60.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: *FSP Group Hydro G Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($9.65 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: *Gigabyte G24F 2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 180 Hz Monitor  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: *Logitech G610 Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($60.99 @ Amazon) 
Mouse: *Razer DeathAdder V3  Optical Mouse  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Headphones: *SteelSeries Arctis Prime  Headset  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1982.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-08 23:44 EDT-0400 

 

Optional cpu.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YDM48d/intel-core-i7-12700kf-36-ghz-8-core-processor-bx8071512700kf 

Intel Core i7-12700KF $239.99  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/134595/intel-core-i712700kf-processor-25m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz/specifications.html  

 

Optional monitor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tqqrxr/lenovo-g24-20-238-1920-x-1080-165-hz-monitor-66cfgcc1us  

Lenovo G24-20 23.8" 1920x1080 165Hz Monitor $139.99  

 

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/accessories-and-software/monitors/gaming/66cfgcc1us 

 

A better look at those components. 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/G24F-2#kf

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/white-tg-clear-tint/

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html   

 

https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/GAMMAXX-AG620-Dual-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/15900.shtml      

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-black-sn770-1-tb/  

 

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-4070-VENTUS-3X-12G-OC   

 

[FaTaLMercenery]

I appreciate all of your input.

 

22 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Does he truly need 2 monitors? Also, whats his opinion on in-ear and TKL? Streaming via OBS i assume?

@SorryClaire

2x monitors are something he specifically requested for his setup since he plans to do streaming(have the game open on one monitor and discord/obs/whatever else on the other) and also work(he's an accountant). I will ask him about in-ear, but I am going to assume he would prefer over-ear headphones. Assuming TKL means tenkeyless, that is also not optional since it is important for his work. I assume he will probably be using OBS.

 

21 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rymm4s

13700f + 3090 + 32gb 3200c16

 

Used gpu so make sure you can return incase faulty

@Somerandomtechyboi

I personally am very against second-hand stuff, especially electronics, but I will ask my friend if he is ok with it though. I also see that you selected DDR4, is there any reason for that other than to bring the cost down? Will that impact performance in any significant way? Also, I don't know the PSU brand, FSP Group; is that a reputable brand?

 

21 hours ago, Why_Me said:

@FaTaLMercenery I see a couple of red flags in your build. Streaming with 16GB of RAM is one, and streaming with a 6 core cpu is another. The frame rates are going to take a beating no matter what if you're streaming from the same PC that you're gaming on hence the reason I would seriously look at 1080P if you play first person shooter games. You want 32GB of RAM and more cores.  Use Nvidia's NVENC with OBS for a decent streaming experience.  Here's a case with better airflow (2x140mm intake fans + 1x120mm exhaust fan), an i7 cpu, faster SSD and 32GB of RAM. 

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/broadcasting/  

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/guides/broadcasting-guide/ 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($329.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($48.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($95.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: *MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($60.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: *FSP Group Hydro G Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($9.65 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: *Gigabyte G24F 2 23.8" 1920 x 1080 180 Hz Monitor  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: *Logitech G610 Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($60.99 @ Amazon) 
Mouse: *Razer DeathAdder V3  Optical Mouse  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Headphones: *SteelSeries Arctis Prime  Headset  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1982.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-08 23:44 EDT-0400 

 

Optional cpu.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YDM48d/intel-core-i7-12700kf-36-ghz-8-core-processor-bx8071512700kf 

Intel Core i7-12700KF $239.99  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/134595/intel-core-i712700kf-processor-25m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz/specifications.html  

 

Optional monitor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tqqrxr/lenovo-g24-20-238-1920-x-1080-165-hz-monitor-66cfgcc1us  

Lenovo G24-20 23.8" 1920x1080 165Hz Monitor $139.99  

 

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/accessories-and-software/monitors/gaming/66cfgcc1us 

 

A better look at those components. 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/G24F-2#kf

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/white-tg-clear-tint/

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230491/intel-core-i713700f-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html   

 

https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/GAMMAXX-AG620-Dual-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/15900.shtml      

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-black-sn770-1-tb/  

 

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-4070-VENTUS-3X-12G-OC   

 

@Why_Me

I appreciate the thoroughness of your response and I do like the part list you made, I just have some questions.

1. In the Average FPS chart, it shows the RTX 4070 and the Radeon 6800 XT to be basically equal, does the NVENC encoder really warrant the extra $100(I have zero personal experience recording/streaming)?
2. I don't know the PSU brand, FSP Group; is that a reputable brand?
3. Is there any significant performance difference between the 12700KF and 13700F?
4. If you had to choose between the 13700F + 6800XT vs 12700KF + 4070, which would you recommend?

 

I see in your list you only have one monitor, so I need to factor in the additional cost for that, but I found a 1080p Acer monitor that is $120 which should still work for him. I am going to get them through Amazon and tell him that if he ends up wanting a bigger or higher-resolution monitor, he can return it and get something better.

 

Here is the updated list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWyQFg

[Why_Me]

25 minutes ago, FaTaLMercenery said:

I appreciate all of your input.

 

@SorryClaire

2x monitors are something he specifically requested for his setup since he plans to do streaming(have the game open on one monitor and discord/obs/whatever else on the other) and also work(he's an accountant). I will ask him about in-ear, but I am going to assume he would prefer over-ear headphones. Assuming TKL means tenkeyless, that is also not optional since it is important for his work. I assume he will probably be using OBS.

 

@Somerandomtechyboi

I personally am very against second-hand stuff, especially electronics, but I will ask my friend if he is ok with it though. I also see that you selected DDR4, is there any reason for that other than to bring the cost down? Will that impact performance in any significant way? Also, I don't know the PSU brand, FSP Group; is that a reputable brand?

 

@Why_Me

I appreciate the thoroughness of your response and I do like the part list you made, I just have some questions.

1. In the Average FPS chart, it shows the RTX 4070 and the Radeon 6800 XT to be basically equal, does the NVENC encoder really warrant the extra $100(I have zero personal experience recording/streaming)?
2. I don't know the PSU brand, FSP Group; is that a reputable brand?
3. Is there any significant performance difference between the 12700KF and 13700F?
4. If you had to choose between the 13700F + 6800XT vs 12700KF + 4070, which would you recommend?

 

I see in your list you only have one monitor, so I need to factor in the additional cost for that, but I found a 1080p Acer monitor that is $120 which should still work for him. I am going to get them through Amazon and tell him that if he ends up wanting a bigger or higher-resolution monitor, he can return it and get something better.

 

Here is the updated list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWyQFg

FSP psu's are solid. If you want to go with a more well known brand then this is one to look at.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YRJp99/corsair-rm750e-2023-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020262-na  

Corsair RM750e (2023) 750W 80+ Gold Modular ATX Power Supply $99.99

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 minute ago, FaTaLMercenery said:

I personally am very against second-hand stuff, especially electronics, but I will ask my friend if he is ok with it though. I also see that you selected DDR4, is there any reason for that other than to bring the cost down? Will that impact performance in any significant way? Also, I don't know the PSU brand, FSP Group; is that a reputable brand?

ddr4 to cut costs, no reason to go ddr5 unless you are forced to, and besides you wait a few years and ddr5 will have much better ics and much better standard speeds not the lousy 6000-6400 that xmp can reliably work at (past this speed xmp is very unlikely to work even if there are 8000 kits), performance wise not really, youll be bottlenecked by the gpu anyways

 

Fsp is a very reputable oem brand, but you should throw away that branding mindset cause obviously every brand has made a bad product, if youd like to know if branding matters or not you have to look at what part you are actually buying and what a specific brand will give you over the other, on rams branding is completely irrelevant same goes for ssds as the components are made by the same few manufacturers, for psus i think branding only matters for warranty otheriwse its also irrelevant and youll have to do your own research as to the quality of that particular psu

 

Used parts will always cut costs or get you better stuff in a noticable way on both gpus and psus. ex new will only get you a 680xt at 500$ but used will get you a 6900xt at 500$, or new will get you a shitty 750w bronze unit but used will get you an 850w gold unit. you can also cut costs on other stuff but thats kinda occasional (mobos, cpus, etc.), theres also buying used cases but i only reccomend that on very tight budgets cause you dont wanna throw 50$ down the drain on a 500$ budget and in my case over here in asia where i can get cheap airflow cases with 3 included rgb fans for 20$, used cases are quite literally irrelevant

[SorryBella]

13 minutes ago, FaTaLMercenery said:

In the Average FPS chart, it shows the RTX 4070 and the Radeon 6800 XT to be basically equal, does the NVENC encoder really warrant the extra $100(I have zero personal experience recording/streaming)?

Sadly yeah. AMD VCN is only good with the AV1 support that RX 7000 series shows and that's really more credit to AV1 being an insanely efficient video encoding protocol than AMD video encoder design. On H.264 which Twitch uses right now, they easily got their ass handed in quality. Although Intel Quick Sync Video in the integrated graphics of Intel CPU is a bit cheaper and the quality is indeed better than AMD's. But that means you have to use OBS for the most part because Intel doesn't have a built in screen recording software. If they're into Nvidia software suite its going to be a hard negotiation to clear.

13 minutes ago, FaTaLMercenery said:

I don't know the PSU brand, FSP Group; is that a reputable brand?

Very much. FSP have been making PSUs since forever for OEMs same as Seasonic and Super Flower, and their mid to high end lines are very reliable bunch. On the lower end though they really are cheap in build quality.

13 minutes ago, FaTaLMercenery said:

Is there any significant performance difference between the 12700KF and 13700F?

10% higher on productivity and 5% higher in 1080p gaming where CPU actually matters. Its not bad of an upgrade really.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($349.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($36.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($128.00 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($49.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($75.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($607.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: FSP Group Hydro G Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Monitor: Gigabyte G27Q 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Monitor  ($229.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: AOC C24G1A 23.6" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Curved Monitor  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Keyboard: Logitech G610 Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($60.99 @ Amazon) 
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder V3  Optical Mouse  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Headphones: Philips SHP9500  Headphones  ($67.98 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1948.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-09 22:01 EDT-0400

[FaTaLMercenery]

15 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Sadly yeah. AMD VCN is only good with the AV1 support that RX 7000 series shows and that's really more credit to AV1 being an insanely efficient video encoding protocol than AMD video encoder design. On H.264 which Twitch uses right now, they easily got their ass handed in quality. Although Intel Quick Sync Video in the integrated graphics of Intel CPU is a bit cheaper and the quality is indeed better than AMD's. But that means you have to use OBS for the most part because Intel doesn't have a built in screen recording software. If they're into Nvidia software suite its going to be a hard negotiation to clear.

Since that's the case, I guess we'll go for the 4070 for the $100 more.

15 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

10% higher on productivity and 5% higher in 1080p gaming where CPU actually matters. Its not bad of an upgrade really.

Since it's not a significant difference, and with the build I have currently selected being at $2000 exact, I think I'll stick with the 12700KF. I can't see 5% being worth the extra $100 dollars.

 

Here is the final parts list I have compiled thanks to everyone's suggestions. I will probably order everything today since several sales for the parts end in about 14hr.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700KF 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($239.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($48.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($105.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($99.00 @ Newegg) 
Storage: *Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($60.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: FSP Group Hydro G Pro 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($85.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($9.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Acer Nitro QG241Y Pbmiipx 23.8" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Monitor  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Acer Nitro QG241Y Pbmiipx 23.8" 1920 x 1080 165 Hz Monitor  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Keyboard: *Logitech G610 Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($60.99 @ Amazon) 
Mouse: *Razer DeathAdder V3  Optical Mouse  ($69.98 @ Amazon) 
Headphones: *SteelSeries Arctis Prime  Headset  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1986.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-10 13:10 EDT-0400

 

UPDATE: Ordered everything, total after tax/shipping was $2,149.49 USD.