What build show I go with?

[PcBeExpensive]

Theres two options for me currently. The only major changes are them is the CPU. One is a 520 Ryzen 7 5800x3d and one is a much cheaper Intel I7 13700kf. I am buying the GPU used and 450 is quite easy to find a 6700xt in Australia for!
Here are the builds.
Here is the one with intel ($1537 AUD)
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zCGqDq
Here is the one with the AMD one ($1650 AUD)
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JhFHwc
I'm not sure what one to go with, im thinking the Intel one is the better option since it's cheaper and has basically the same performance but im not really sure. Any help is appreciated! 

[spaghet rat]

what are the uses?

[spaghet rat]

i would avoid the asus motherboards because they have been having terrible rma processes and customer support lately and their qc has become very spotty, the only brands i really trust are msi and asrock kinda (msi is a w but adrock proiducts imo just look like renders)

[SorryBella]

57 minutes ago, spaghet rat said:

what are the uses?

+1. Also Framerate and Resolution target if this system is for gaming.

[PcBeExpensive]

4 hours ago, spaghet rat said:

what are the uses?

yh sorry forgot about that. 1080p gaming and want over 75 fps for most modern games. For fortnite I want over 100 fps

[PcBeExpensive]

3 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

+1. Also Framerate and Resolution target if this system is for gaming.

yeah sorry forgot to add that. 1080p gaming and want over 75 fps in most modern games. Over 100 fps in fortnite though. Also my budget is probably around 1550 because im funding this pc for the PC I have that im tryna sell for around 1450

[filpo]

5 hours ago, PcBeExpensive said:

Theres two options for me currently. The only major changes are them is the CPU. One is a 520 Ryzen 7 5800x3d and one is a much cheaper Intel I7 13700kf. I am buying the GPU used and 450 is quite easy to find a 6700xt in Australia for!
Here are the builds.
Here is the one with intel ($1537 AUD)
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zCGqDq
Here is the one with the AMD one ($1650 AUD)
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JhFHwc
I'm not sure what one to go with, im thinking the Intel one is the better option since it's cheaper and has basically the same performance but im not really sure. Any help is appreciated! 

 

 

Just now, PcBeExpensive said:

yeah sorry forgot to add that. 1080p gaming and want over 75 fps in most modern games. Over 100 fps in fortnite though. Also my budget is probably around 1550 because im funding this pc for the PC I have that im tryna sell for around 1450

I really wouldn’t go with an 11700k. I would get the 5800X3D build but I would get this mobo instead and take out that Wi-Fi adapter https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/P2cG3C/asus-tuf-gaming-b550m-e-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b550m-e-wifi

[PcBeExpensive]

2 minutes ago, filpo said:

 

 

I really wouldn’t go with an 11700k. I would get the 5800X3D build but I would get this mobo instead and take out that Wi-Fi adapter https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/P2cG3C/asus-tuf-gaming-b550m-e-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b550m-e-wifi

Whats wrong with the 11700k? The intel build is currntly the build I wanting to buy since its a good $100 cheaper. I can't really sell my PC for 1600 seeing as its probably only worth around 1400.

[KEIN NEIN]

4 hours ago, spaghet rat said:

the only brands i really trust are msi and asrock kinda (msi is a w but adrock proiducts imo just look like renders)

Some ASROCK boards are pretty crappy as well. The reality is no brand is to trust, all of them sell both good and junk products.

 

OP should be encouraged to read reviews instead of felling inclined towards a certain brand because "oooooh this logo is evil".

[PcBeExpensive]

2 minutes ago, KEIN NEIN said:

Some ASROCK boards are pretty crappy as well. The reality is no brand is to trust, all of them sell both good and junk products.

 

OP should be encouraged to read reviews instead of felling inclined towards a certain brand because "oooooh this logo is evil".

I don't go for Asus because i like the logo? I went with them because I have a asus motherboard right now and its running absolutely fine!

[KEIN NEIN]

1 minute ago, PcBeExpensive said:

I don't go for Asus because i like the logo? I went with them because I have a asus motherboard right now and its running absolutely fine!

I DID NOT say that, I didn't even replied to you.

 

I said the other guy that a logo is just a logo

[KEIN NEIN]

2 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

13 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

Whats wrong with the 11700k? The intel build is currntly the build I wanting to buy since its a good $100 cheaper. I can't really sell my PC for 1600 seeing as its probably only worth around 1400.

 

It's a waste of money. That's what's wrong with it. Sometimes you think you save money by going cheap, but you are only delaying spending more money, which in turn means wasting more money rather than saving it.

 

It's simple math (not gonna mess with architecture differences here): 11th gen i7 is a 16 thread from an old-gen platform. 12th gen i7 is a 20 thread from a current platform and 13th gen is a 24 thread chip from a current platform as well. 

 

[filpo]

44 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

Whats wrong with the 11700k? The intel build is currntly the build I wanting to buy since its a good $100 cheaper. I can't really sell my PC for 1600 seeing as its probably only worth around 1400

The 5800X3D is a much better chip than it. I think its justified that it costs more

[SorryBella]

Just now, PcBeExpensive said:

Whats wrong with the 11700k? The intel build is currntly the build I wanting to buy since its a good $100 cheaper. I can't really sell my PC for 1600 seeing as its probably only worth around 1400.

At 1080p youll be CPU bounded, you want a higher end CPU than just 11700K. Its good that you found a 6700XT for 450 though, its quite a deal for lightly used one.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($449.00 @ Centre Com) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG500 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($43.00 @ Device Deal) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($179.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($99.00 @ Scorptec) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($149.00 @ Scorptec) 
Video Card: MSI MECH 2X Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($450.00) 
Case: Silverstone FARA R1 PRO V2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Power Supply: Gigabyte UD750GM 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($118.00 @ Centre Com) 
Total: $1566.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-26 17:16 AEST+1000

 

5800X3D is scalped right now in AU, this build is only a few bucks extra but it uses 13600KF.

[PcBeExpensive]

5 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

At 1080p youll be CPU bounded, you want a higher end CPU than just 11700K. Its good that you found a 6700XT for 450 though, its quite a deal for lightly used one.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($449.00 @ Centre Com) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG500 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($43.00 @ Device Deal) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($179.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($99.00 @ Scorptec) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($149.00 @ Scorptec) 
Video Card: MSI MECH 2X Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($450.00) 
Case: Silverstone FARA R1 PRO V2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Power Supply: Gigabyte UD750GM 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($118.00 @ Centre Com) 
Total: $1566.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-26 17:16 AEST+1000

 

5800X3D is scalped right now in AU, this build is only a few bucks extra but it uses 13600KF.

Thanks for the response! So the 13600kf out performs even the 12700kf? I don't need a 2tb M.2, just a 1tb for now atleast.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/FvYNRv
Would the 5800x be better than the 13600kf?

[spaghet rat]

Just now, PcBeExpensive said:

Thanks for the response! So the 13600kf out performs even the 12700kf? I don't need a 2tb M.2, just a 1tb for now atleast.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/FvYNRv
Would the 5800x be better than the 13600kf?

you can get a 2 tb hdd for bulk storage

[PcBeExpensive]

5 hours ago, KEIN NEIN said:

It's a waste of money. That's what's wrong with it. Sometimes you think you save money by going cheap, but you are only delaying spending more money, which in turn means wasting more money rather than saving it.

 

It's simple math (not gonna mess with architecture differences here): 11th gen i7 is a 16 thread from an old-gen platform. 12th gen i7 is a 20 thread from a current platform and 13th gen is a 24 thread chip from a current platform as well. 

 

So your saying that buying the 11th gen is wasting money? The thing for me is, im still young and my parents pay for this so this will be my build for about a year till I get a job.

[PcBeExpensive]

Just now, spaghet rat said:

you can get a 2 tb hdd for bulk storage

I don't need bulk storage tho?
The storage is there to put into the build Im selling so they new owner can get a brand new storage device and I can keep my 980 pro.

[spaghet rat]

1 minute ago, PcBeExpensive said:

I don't need bulk storage tho?
The storage is there to put into the build Im selling so they new owner can get a brand new storage device and I can keep my 980 pro.

oh ok then

[SorryBella]

22 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

and I can keep my 980 pro

Oh i put in the storage assuming the lack of boot drive. Then you can cut that off.

[PcBeExpensive]

26 minutes ago, SorryClaire said:

Oh i put in the storage assuming the lack of boot drive. Then you can cut that off.

yh thats fine!

[PcBeExpensive]

8 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Oh i put in the storage assuming the lack of boot drive. Then you can cut that off.

My main question is would the 8 phase power design on this mobo
https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B660M Pro RSax/index.asp
be enough for a 13600kf? It should be as one EPS cable is rated to carry 300 watts and its tdp is 125 watts.

[filpo]

9 hours ago, PcBeExpensive said:

My main question is would the 8 phase power design on this mobo
https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B660M Pro RSax/index.asp
be enough for a 13600kf? It should be as one EPS cable is rated to carry 300 watts and its tdp is 125 watts.

It might but this one defo will MSI MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (MAG B660M MORTAR WIFI DDR4) - PCPartPicker

It also looks better

[QuantumSingularity]

On 5/26/2023 at 9:35 AM, KEIN NEIN said:

Some ASROCK boards are pretty crappy as well. The reality is no brand is to trust, all of them sell both good and junk products.

 

OP should be encouraged to read reviews instead of felling inclined towards a certain brand because "oooooh this logo is evil".

Some mobos yes, like the entry level ones. The Steel Legend series though easily rivals the top brands' designs and certainly surpasses any Asus mobo. I've been daily driving Steel Legend from the time their first mobo came out and i have 0 negative things to say about it (aside from the RGB, which sometimes can get annoying, but you can always turn it off). I've also built a lot of rigs with them (mainly go with the AMD platforms there) and so far i've had a single issue and it was just a user error, but despite that i had the replacement board before i even sent out the old one.

 

Here is a slight adjustment to the AMD build for $19 AUD more:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($523.61 @ Amazon Australia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($65.00) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($75.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($450.00) 
Case: Cooler Master CMP 320 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.00 @ Centre Com) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A750GF 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.00 @ Centre Com) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Intel AX200 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax M.2 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($32.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Case Fan: Thermalright TL-C12C-S 66.17 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack 
Total: $1630.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-27 20:44 AEST+1000

 

The NV2 drives from Kingston are crap (both the 1TB and 2TB versions). Not very reliable and also not very fast either, especially for a "supposed" gen4 NVMe drive, so that's why they are cheap AF. So replaced it with one of the OG bests - the 970 Evo plus.

Also changed the memory to 3600MHz CL16 one instead of 3200MHz. with the 5800X3D and 1080p resolutions the difference is noticable.

 

[PcBeExpensive]

58 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Some mobos yes, like the entry level ones. The Steel Legend series though easily rivals the top brands' designs and certainly surpasses any Asus mobo. I've been daily driving Steel Legend from the time their first mobo came out and i have 0 negative things to say about it (aside from the RGB, which sometimes can get annoying, but you can always turn it off). I've also built a lot of rigs with them (mainly go with the AMD platforms there) and so far i've had a single issue and it was just a user error, but despite that i had the replacement board before i even sent out the old one.

 

Here is a slight adjustment to the AMD build for $19 AUD more:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($523.61 @ Amazon Australia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($65.00) 
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($189.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($75.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($78.00 @ BPC Technology) 
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($450.00) 
Case: Cooler Master CMP 320 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.00 @ Centre Com) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A750GF 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.00 @ Centre Com) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Intel AX200 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax M.2 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($32.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Case Fan: Thermalright TL-C12C-S 66.17 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack 
Total: $1630.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-27 20:44 AEST+1000

 

The NV2 drives from Kingston are crap (both the 1TB and 2TB versions). Not very reliable and also not very fast either, especially for a "supposed" gen4 NVMe drive, so that's why they are cheap AF. So replaced it with one of the OG bests - the 970 Evo plus.

Also changed the memory to 3600MHz CL16 one instead of 3200MHz. with the 5800X3D and 1080p resolutions the difference is noticable.

 

1600 is not doable anymore, as I have said I want the cheapest build possible! @SorryClairebuild is pretty decent, I would say thats something to work off