advice on first pc build

[kuregumo]

Budget (including currency): 1300cad

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: games like fortnite, team sonic racing, and slime rancher 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2NB2H2 i think i could cheap out on the psu but I think it is also worth it to buy a modular supply in case i wanted to change the cables and a psu with an additionsl eps connector in case i need more power.

i'm upgrading from an acer aspire e5 774g that has a 940mx and an i5 6200u

 

[Hinjima]

11 minutes ago, fluffycat420 said:

Budget (including currency): 1300cad

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: games like fortnite, team sonic racing, and slime rancher 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2NB2H2 i think i could cheap out on the psu but I think it is also worth it to buy a modular supply in case i wanted to change the cables and a psu with an additionsl eps connector in case i need more power.

i'm upgrading from an acer aspire e5 774g that has a 940mx and an i5 6200u

 

Dont ever cheap out on the PSU!  The RM650X you chose is a very high end PSU though, maybe you meant wattage instead of build quality?. Decent list, I would go for slightly faster RAM, 5600mhz CL36 or even DDR4 and a DDR4 supported motherboard. And you only need 1x8 pin EPS connector, its rated for 336w. The other one on the motherboard is basically for show / gimmick / extreme overclocking, realistically you won't be running insane OC's on this board anyways.

[filpo]

34 minutes ago, fluffycat420 said:

Budget (including currency): 1300cad

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: games like fortnite, team sonic racing, and slime rancher 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2NB2H2 i think i could cheap out on the psu but I think it is also worth it to buy a modular supply in case i wanted to change the cables and a psu with an additionsl eps connector in case i need more power.

i'm upgrading from an acer aspire e5 774g that has a 940mx and an i5 6200u

 

Don't get ddr5 for a budget build

I would go for this build instead 

A bit over but has a good cpu cooler and a 6700 xt 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YsgkFg

CPU: Intel Core i5-13500 2.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($325.95 @ shopRBC) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin King SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($43.39 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M GAMING X AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($59.99 @ Memory Express) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($59.85 @ shopRBC) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($489.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Deepcool CC560 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($71.50 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Smart BM2 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($102.25 @ Vuugo) 
Total: $1352.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-22 16:09 EDT-0400

[Why_Me]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($31.48 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: *MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($164.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.50 @ Vuugo) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($149.97 @ Newegg Canada) 
Video Card: *XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB Video Card  ($369.99 @ Memory Express) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($103.50 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.99 @ Memory Express) 
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($16.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $1241.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-22 16:10 EDT-0400

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/black-tg-clear-tint/ 

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-BAZOOKA-DDR4

[filpo]

1 minute ago, Why_Me said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($31.48 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: *MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($164.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($79.50 @ Vuugo) 
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($149.97 @ Newegg Canada) 
Video Card: *XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB Video Card  ($369.99 @ Memory Express) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($103.50 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.99 @ Memory Express) 
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($16.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $1241.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-22 16:10 EDT-0400

Surely a 6700 xt can be fit in here. Maybe go for a thermaltake Smart BM2 for psu and a deepcool cc560 as case. Not everyone needs 2tb too and 1tb should be fine (and an nv2 is 100 cad less)

[_Omega_]

Here is my take 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M DS3H DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($149.88 @ Canada Computers) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP Vulcan Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($44.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: MSI SPATIUM M450 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($62.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Radeon RX 6600 XT 8 GB Video Card  ($369.99 @ Memory Express) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($74.80 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM650x (2021) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($138.97 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $1041.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-22 16:16 EDT-0400

 

EDIT:  havent seen then  1300CAD budget so throw a 6700XT in this and you have a really nice machine 

[_Omega_]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13500 2.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($325.95 @ shopRBC) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($31.48 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M DS3H DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($149.88 @ Canada Computers) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP Vulcan Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($44.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: MSI SPATIUM M450 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($62.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($489.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($74.80 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM650x (2021) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($138.97 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $1319.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-22 16:21 EDT-0400

 

[_Omega_]

So, last post for today i squeesed everything i can, if you really dont have the 5 CAD extra you can go for a cheaper ssd like the NV2

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13500 2.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($325.95 @ shopRBC) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($31.48 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M DS3H DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($149.88 @ Canada Computers) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP Vulcan Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($44.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: MSI SPATIUM M450 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($62.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($489.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($74.80 @ Vuugo) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.99 @ Memory Express) 
Total: $1305.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-22 16:25 EDT-0400

[Why_Me]

16 minutes ago, filpo said:

Surely a 6700 xt can be fit in here. Maybe go for a thermaltake Smart BM2 for psu and a deepcool cc560 as case. Not everyone needs 2tb too and 1tb should be fine (and an nv2 is 100 cad less)

You mean a Kingston NV2?  Ya I'm not going down that road. I'll leave it up to the LTT regulars to butcher his build. I gave the OP a better and larger SSD, faster RAM, a better gpu, psu, case and cooler for under his budget.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kingston-nv2-ssd

[kuregumo]

wow thanks so much guys, you all are so talented i hope one day i can be this smart ":)" (had to put it in quotes or else ltt forum would change it to the emoji) i'm really grateful for all of these suggestions and i think that i might just stick with ddr5 because my motherboard and ram is the last thing i would probably upgrade after many years and i don't want it to be outdated really fast. i really like the idea of upgrading to a wd black ssd and upgrading the graphics card too so im gonna do some more research about that and update you guys on it.  

[SorryBella]

5 hours ago, fluffycat420 said:

i think that i might just stick with ddr5 because my motherboard and ram is the last thing i would probably upgrade after many years

Former, you have no choice. AM4 in of itself is a huge outliar in motherboard age, 2-3 years has always been the lifespan of a motherboard if you count from the CPU performance standpoint. And for the latter, RAM kits are going to continue to go down in price as it matures, you wont miss out.

[kuregumo]

7 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Former, you have no choice. AM4 in of itself is a huge outliar in motherboard age, 2-3 years has always been the lifespan of a motherboard if you count from the CPU performance standpoint. And for the latter, RAM kits are going to continue to go down in price as it matures, you wont miss out.

sorry, can you rephrase that? i'm having a bit of trouble understanding it. thank you!

[SorryBella]

1 hour ago, fluffycat420 said:

sorry, can you rephrase that? i'm having a bit of trouble understanding it. thank you!

Motherboard cycles in and out all the time, youre expecting around 2 generations, 3 tops for the most part. AM4 is an outliar in that it has 4 generations of CPU support from the first 300 series chipset to the 500. And even then certain 300 series chipset board has no interest in adding 5000 series CPU due to technical limitations or no demand.

 

Meanwhile for RAM, its pretty simple: as generation goes on, the price will go down to a point. DRAM manufacturing matures and yield increases, sometimes new tech gets introduced and gets cheaper like the current crop of high density DDR5 DRAM chips that makes 48GB on a single stick without any tricks like load reduction possible.

[kuregumo]

4 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Motherboard cycles in and out all the time, youre expecting around 2 generations, 3 tops for the most part. AM4 is an outliar in that it has 4 generations of CPU support from the first 300 series chipset to the 500. And even then certain 300 series chipset board has no interest in adding 5000 series CPU due to technical limitations or no demand.

 

Meanwhile for RAM, its pretty simple: as generation goes on, the price will go down to a point. DRAM manufacturing matures and yield increases, sometimes new tech gets introduced and gets cheaper like the current crop of high density DDR5 DRAM chips that makes 48GB on a single stick without any tricks like load reduction possible.

ahhhh ok, thank you. do you by any chance know if micro atx motherboards fit in a atx case?

[SorryBella]

4 hours ago, fluffycat420 said:

ahhhh ok, thank you. do you by any chance know if micro atx motherboards fit in a atx case?

Rule of thumb: count backwards. An ATX case supports the smaller motherboard size, but smaller cases doesnt support the bigger motherboard size. So if your case is classified as an mITX case, you cant fit an ATX motherboard.

To help you count backwards, here's every common motherboard size from the biggest to smallest.

1. EATX (Extended ATX)
2. ATX
3. mATX (Micro ATX)
4. mITX (Micro ITX)

[kuregumo]

16 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Rule of thumb: count backwards. An ATX case supports the smaller motherboard size, but smaller cases doesnt support the bigger motherboard size. So if your case is classified as an mITX case, you cant fit an ATX motherboard.

 

To help you count backwards, here's every common motherboard size from the biggest to smallest.

 

1. EATX (Extended ATX)
2. ATX
3. mATX (Micro ATX)
4. mITX (Micro ITX)

ahhh ok, im glad it fits. the mATX version of the fractal design pop air looks like disproportionally scaled jpeg
does anyone have any advice for this build? https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/btbN3y 

i decided to change the gpu to a 6700xt and get an evga power supply.

 

[SorryBella]

Just now, fluffycat420 said:

ahhh ok, im glad it fits. the mATX version of the fractal design pop air looks like disproportionally scaled jpeg
does anyone have any advice for this build? https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/btbN3y 

i decided to change the gpu to a 6700xt and get an evga power supply.

super not enough wattage on the PSU. Ignore estimated wattage for the most part and crosscheck between what the GPU manufacturer recommends and the community recommends on the wattage. And besides, the 80 plus bronze and white EVGA aged like fine milk in build quality. Giving up DDR5 for DDR4 would afford us more on PSU... and everything else really. Trust me on Raptor Lake, DDR5 and DDR4 performance different doesnt matter at all in games.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($278.95 @ shopRBC) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($31.48 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: ASRock B660M Pro RS Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($96.62 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($72.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.97 @ Newegg Canada) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($489.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($114.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Power Supply: Deepcool PM850D 850 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $1304.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-24 12:44 EDT-0400

[kuregumo]

1 hour ago, SorryClaire said:

super not enough wattage on the PSU. Ignore estimated wattage for the most part and crosscheck between what the GPU manufacturer recommends and the community recommends on the wattage. And besides, the 80 plus bronze and white EVGA aged like fine milk in build quality. Giving up DDR5 for DDR4 would afford us more on PSU... and everything else really. Trust me on Raptor Lake, DDR5 and DDR4 performance different doesnt matter at all in games.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($278.95 @ shopRBC) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  ($31.48 @ Vuugo) 
Motherboard: ASRock B660M Pro RS Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($96.62 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($72.98 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($109.97 @ Newegg Canada) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($489.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case  ($114.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Power Supply: Deepcool PM850D 850 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $1304.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-24 12:44 EDT-0400

i stuck with ddr5 because on amazon canada for some reason ddr4 is more expensive then ddr5.