Upgrading all parts

[Alpha01]

Budget (including currency): 

Country: New Zealand

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: World of Warcraft, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 / Warzone 2

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

So I'm planning on changing out my motherboard and all components in my pc, the only thing that I won't be changing is the fans. 

 

These are the items I am looking to buy and just wanting to know if they will all work together well / if there are alternatives that might be better. I used PCpartpicker and they are all compatible together but just wanting some advice (please be kind lol). Thank you. Also if you can recommend some good M.2 drives that will go with the motherboard would be a bonus.

 

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming WiFi

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (2x16)

GPU: ASUS TUF Gaming AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB

 

[Why_Me]

What speed and latency is your RAM?

 

SSD

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/HDDSAM971701/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-2TB-M2-Internal-SSD-2280---Up 

 

CPU Cooler

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/FANDPC3033/DEEPCOOL-AK620-Black-CPU-Cooler-2x-120mm-Fans-160m

[Bismut]

1 hour ago, Alpha01 said:

These are the items I am looking to buy and just wanting to know if they will all work together well / if there are alternatives that might be better.

It sounds like a good build, tha parts should mesh well. You could consider getting a 7900XT instead to save some money and lower the power draw, but that is about it.

 

50 minutes ago, Why_Me said:

SSD

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/HDDSAM971701/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-2TB-M2-Internal-SSD-2280---Up 

 

CPU Cooler

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/FANDPC3033/DEEPCOOL-AK620-Black-CPU-Cooler-2x-120mm-Fans-160m

Both are good.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 hours ago, Alpha01 said:

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming Wifi

RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (2x16)

Overpriced to shit just buy a cheaper board like the b650(m) aorus elite ax, b650-p/tomahawk wifi, or the b650 tuf gaming wifi

 

Same thing for rams, overpriced to shit, idk speed and timings but as an example with that particular heatsink design you are only gonna get 5200c40 trash when at the same price theres 6000c32 hynix a dies that will obliterate them in overclocking. Look for 5600c30 or 6000c32 (no point going lower cl, same hynix a die) or minimum 5600c32/6000c36-40 (hynix m die), both are futureproofed but m die only clocks to ~7200 whilst a die clocks to 8000+ so better for futureproofing your ram if you wanna ride out the enitre ddr5 generation with 1 kit

 

2 hours ago, Alpha01 said:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

If your games dont benifit from the extra cache prefer the 7700 since you can just clock it to 5.4-5.5 allcore, if you want the best of both worlds look for a board that supports async eclk like the b650e aorus master, x670e-a/f, b650e taichi, etc. if you wanna get ripped off with an expensive board atleast make it somewhat worth it

 

 

As for cooler choice peerless assassin/phantom spirit (se) 120 or ag/ak620

 

As for ssd choice whatevers the cheapest dram gen3 you can find (ex mushkin tempest, silicon power a80, etc.) Or a somewhat decent dramless gen4 like the nv2, make sure you look at reviews for performance cause there are some that look good on a specsheet but perform like ass. also dont overspend for useless branding, all the components (dram, flash, controller, etc.) Are made by the same few manufacturers, same thing for rams

 

2 hours ago, Alpha01 said:

So I'm planning on changing out my motherboard and all components in my pc, the only thing that I won't be changing is the fans. 

But are you sure there isnt anything you can salvage? Usually you can salvage the storage, psu or case maybe even the cooler

[Alpha01]

2 hours ago, Why_Me said:

What speed and latency is your RAM?

 

SSD

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/HDDSAM971701/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-2TB-M2-Internal-SSD-2280---Up 

 

CPU Cooler

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/FANDPC3033/DEEPCOOL-AK620-Black-CPU-Cooler-2x-120mm-Fans-160m

The RAM I listed is 6200MHz and CL36

[Alpha01]

1 hour ago, Bismut said:

It sounds like a good build, tha parts should mesh well. You could consider getting a 7900XT instead to save some money and lower the power draw, but that is about it.

 

Both are good.

Awesome thank you I will look at the 7900XT

[Alpha01]

28 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Overpriced to shit just buy a cheaper board like the b650(m) aorus elite ax, b650-p/tomahawk wifi, or the b650 tuf gaming wifi

 

Same thing for rams, overpriced to shit, idk speed and timings but as an example with that particular heatsink design you are only gonna get 5200c40 trash when at the same price theres 6000c32 hynix a dies that will obliterate them in overclocking. Look for 5600c30 or 6000c32 (no point going lower cl, same hynix a die) or minimum 5600c32/6000c36-40 (hynix m die), both are futureproofed but m die only clocks to ~7200 whilst a die clocks to 8000+ so better for futureproofing your ram if you wanna ride out the enitre ddr5 generation with 1 kit

 

If your games dont benifit from the extra cache prefer the 7700 since you can just clock it to 5.4-5.5 allcore, if you want the best of both worlds look for a board that supports async eclk like the b650e aorus master, x670e-a/f, b650e taichi, etc. if you wanna get ripped off with an expensive board atleast make it somewhat worth it

 

 

As for cooler choice peerless assassin/phantom spirit (se) 120 or ag/ak620

 

As for ssd choice whatevers the cheapest dram gen3 you can find (ex mushkin tempest, silicon power a80, etc.) Or a somewhat decent dramless gen4 like the nv2, make sure you look at reviews for performance cause there are some that look good on a specsheet but perform like ass. also dont overspend for useless branding, all the components (dram, flash, controller, etc.) Are made by the same few manufacturers, same thing for rams

 

But are you sure there isnt anything you can salvage? Usually you can salvage the storage, psu or case maybe even the cooler

Thank you for all of your info, I know these seem pricey but just want to actually build a good computer for once. I am going to keep my same PSU (which is Corsair 1000w) I do have a m.2 but was thinking of possible changing it but will more than like just buy an extra for a boot drive. And I will be keeping all my current case fans / case but I definately need a new GPU as my one is low end (only a RX 570 4GB lol).

[Somerandomtechyboi]

21 minutes ago, Alpha01 said:

I know these seem pricey but just want to actually build a good computer for once

Those parts do not do anything for your build you are simply wasting money on garbage, like atleast go up a tier and get async eclk, otherwise the boards i mentioned are more than adequate for your build and will be futureproof considering how overbuilt the vrms are on literally all the b650 boards

 

The rams are even more useless, its the same shit but different heatsink thats all, why overpay for garbage when theres far superior rams with superior ics for the same price?

[SorryBella]

1 hour ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Those parts do not do anything for your build you are simply wasting money on garbage, like atleast go up a tier and get async eclk, otherwise the boards i mentioned are more than adequate for your build and will be futureproof considering how overbuilt the vrms are on literally all the b650 boards

 

The rams are even more useless, its the same shit but different heatsink thats all, why overpay for garbage when theres far superior rams with superior ics for the same price?

dont bite too aggressively on an amateur, you and i have seen a far worse spending decision in this forum.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

25 minutes ago, SorryClaire said:

dont bite too aggressively on an amateur, you and i have seen a far worse spending decision in this forum.

Right

its still pretty bad but i guess ive seen ppl wasting their entire budget on rainbows and aesthetics and branding and getting a 5600x and 3060 for 2500$

[Jonathan Lee]

6 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Right

its still pretty bad but i guess ive seen ppl wasting their entire budget on rainbows and aesthetics and branding and getting a 5600x and 3060 for 2500$

Yea see that a little too much

 

My recommendations for remaining parts + alternative mobo:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($447.35 @ Newegg New Zealand) 
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S70 Blade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($238.22 @ Paradigm PCs) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($179.00 @ ExtremePC) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A1000G 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($289.00 @ 1stWave Technologies) 
Total: $1153.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-10 05:16 NZST+1200

[Alpha01]

11 hours ago, Jonathan Lee said:

Yea see that a little too much

 

My recommendations for remaining parts + alternative mobo:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($447.35 @ Newegg New Zealand) 
Storage: ADATA XPG GAMMIX S70 Blade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($238.22 @ Paradigm PCs) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($179.00 @ ExtremePC) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A1000G 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($289.00 @ 1stWave Technologies) 
Total: $1153.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-05-10 05:16 NZST+1200

Thank you, I have decided to go with the TOMAHAWK mobo now. And I already have a really good case and 1000w psu that I will be keeping, sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

[Alpha01]

19 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

dont bite too aggressively on an amateur, you and i have seen a far worse spending decision in this forum.

It's alright I didn't take any offense to it. I'm good at the putting computers together part of things but when it comes to picking parts I tend to suck. I just saw the parts in my original message and thought they looked good and that's why I decided to come here to one see if they would all work well together and two get other peoples opinions of things that might be better.

[Alpha01]

23 hours ago, Bismut said:

It sounds like a good build, tha parts should mesh well. You could consider getting a 7900XT instead to save some money and lower the power draw, but that is about it.

 

Both are good.

Is this the type of 7900XT you were suggesting?

 

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGASAP27900A/Sapphire-AMD-Radeon-RX-7900-XT-20GB-GDDR6-Graphics

[Bismut]

12 hours ago, Jonathan Lee said:

Power Supply: MSI MPG A1000G 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($289.00 @ 1stWave Technologies) 

Why? 1kW is wayyyy too much for a build like this, I would go with a Corsair RM850x or so instead (if the price is okay, that is).

 

29 minutes ago, Alpha01 said:

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/VGASAP27900A/Sapphire-AMD-Radeon-RX-7900-XT-20GB-GDDR6-Graphics

That would work, yes. Just make sure that it fits in the case you end up going with.

[Alpha01]

6 hours ago, Bismut said:

Why? 1kW is wayyyy too much for a build like this, I would go with a Corsair RM850x or so instead (if the price is okay, that is).

 

That would work, yes. Just make sure that it fits in the case you end up going with.

Oh yeah I already have a Corsair iCUE 5000x that I am currently using so should have more than enough room.

[Jonathan Lee]

10 hours ago, Bismut said:

Why? 1kW is wayyyy too much for a build like this, I would go with a Corsair RM850x or so instead (if the price is okay, that is).

Yea, 850W would be plenty for this build. I tend to recommend just going ahead with 1000W at this price point out of habit. It also tends to provide extra head room for future upgrades/potential power spikes, runs quieter since it's far off from max wattage. 

[Alpha01]

7 hours ago, Jonathan Lee said:

Yea, 850W would be plenty for this build. I tend to recommend just going ahead with 1000W at this price point out of habit. It also tends to provide extra head room for future upgrades/potential power spikes, runs quieter since it's far off from max wattage. 

Yeah I originally only had a 550w PSU and got a 1000w only about a month ago so I can semi future proof and have it for my new build. It's usually always better to have more than you need than less. 

[Bismut]

20 hours ago, Jonathan Lee said:

runs quieter since it's far off from max wattage

I will give you that, you can just run a semi-passive 1.2kW unit if you want near silent operation. I would stick to smaller PSUs though, they tend to be smaller, cheaper and I kind of doubt that we will continue the trend of adding power somewhat soon, giving the rising energy prices.

 

12 hours ago, Alpha01 said:

so I can semi future proof

Ugh, future proofing. It does make sense to a point when it comes to PSUs, but I would not pay 1.3x for some upgrade you might do in the distant future.

[Alpha01]

8 hours ago, Bismut said:

I will give you that, you can just run a semi-passive 1.2kW unit if you want near silent operation. I would stick to smaller PSUs though, they tend to be smaller, cheaper and I kind of doubt that we will continue the trend of adding power somewhat soon, giving the rising energy prices.

 

Ugh, future proofing. It does make sense to a point when it comes to PSUs, but I would not pay 1.3x for some upgrade you might do in the distant future.

Yeah I understand that, when I saw the PSU I got it wasn't that expensive (at least to me) and it was on sale so I decided why not. I ordered my mobo yesterday and it already arrived this morning. One less thing on my list.

[Alpha01]

On 5/9/2023 at 10:20 PM, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Right

its still pretty bad but i guess ive seen ppl wasting their entire budget on rainbows and aesthetics and branding and getting a 5600x and 3060 for 2500$

I know you gave me a lot of info regarding RAM already but the whole dye thing confuses me a bit. Are you able to recommend me some options for RAM for my build, I would like to have about 32GB so 2x16. 

[Dedayog]

17 minutes ago, Alpha01 said:

I know you gave me a lot of info regarding RAM already but the whole dye thing confuses me a bit. Are you able to recommend me some options for RAM for my build, I would like to have about 32GB so 2x16. 

He's saying that there are only 3 major RAM manufacturers and they have quality tiers known as DIES.   While he's a little aggressive with his take, and needs to stop unintentionally making the person he's trying to help feel like shit about what they want, he has some valid points.  Though I do not think his statement about the heastink design and RAM speed comment.

 

As long as you realize what you're buying in truth, feel free to get whatever you want.  If you know X performs worse than Y, and you still want Y.... go nuts.  Your cash.

 

Article for RAM die info, google deeper if you wish to learn more:

 

Why Samsung B-Die Is So Popular & Where To Find It (cgdirector.com)

 

 

[Alpha01]

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

He's saying that there are only 3 major RAM manufacturers and they have quality tiers known as DIES.   While he's a little aggressive with his take, and needs to stop unintentionally making the person he's trying to help feel like shit about what they want, he has some valid points.  Though I do not think his statement about the heastink design and RAM speed comment.

 

As long as you realize what you're buying in truth, feel free to get whatever you want.  If you know X performs worse than Y, and you still want Y.... go nuts.  Your cash.

 

Article for RAM die info, google deeper if you wish to learn more:

 

Why Samsung B-Die Is So Popular & Where To Find It (cgdirector.com)

 

 

Thank you very much. I understand he was a bit aggressive but I didn't take offense or anything by it so have no issues. I just want to make sure I'm not spending more money than I need to if there is another option that performs practically the same. 

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, Alpha01 said:

Thank you very much. I understand he was a bit aggressive but I didn't take offense or anything by it so have no issues. I just want to make sure I'm not spending more money than I need to if there is another option that performs practically the same. 

I mean, you SHOULD be buying the Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX, but you do you

 

I think your motherboard and RAM are overpriced but I was never an ASUS fan nor Corsair fan.  I like the price of the Gigabyte boards and their feature sets, plus I usually stick with G. Skill RAM.  But you want RGB RAM, so I'm hands off there (way too biased).

[Alpha01]

Oh yeah in regards to my original post I just saw those options and thought they might be good and that's why I came here to ask for opinions. I have already changed a few things thanks to suggestions made here so I am grateful. As for the RAM I don't have to have RGB but it would be nice lol and I do currently have G.Skill in my current PC but it's only 16GB and DDR4. I will see what other G.Skill is available for me and go from there.