slows ssds?

[Ser Superior001]

hell oh, i heard there are old ssds models than are slower than other ssds, can you tell me please more or less wich ssds are the slowers?, i read it in a website like 2 months ago.

 

PD: is WD blue 500 gb good for gaming?, i feel it some slow

[danalog]

There are quite a lot of SSDs out there..... 

 

Also, do you mean WD Blue HDD or SSD? 

[vinbullet]

Gotta lookup benchmarks yourself. for gaming and operating System SSDs, 4k random read and write speeds are going to be more important. For long term storage, those speeds don't mattter. Choose what makes sense for you more. For older games as well, 4k random read and write speeds don't mattter as well. Besides Triple-AAA quality games made in the last 7-years, older titles won't feel any different really on slower drives.

[Ser Superior001]

13 minutes ago, da na said:

There are quite a lot of SSDs out there..... 

 

Also, do you mean WD Blue HDD or SSD? 

but wich are the slowers ssds?.

 

i have wd blue ssd

[Ser Superior001]

7 minutes ago, vinbullet said:

Gotta lookup benchmarks yourself. for gaming and operating System SSDs, 4k random read and write speeds are going to be more important. For long term storage, those speeds don't mattter. Choose what makes sense for you more. For older games as well, 4k random read and write speeds don't mattter as well. Besides Triple-AAA quality games made in the last 7-years, older titles won't feel any different really on slower drives.

where i can watch benchmarks?.

 

PD:  does youtube have fake benchmarks?, cause people says that, how do i know if a yiutube video benchmark is true?

[Dukesilver27-]

For gaming or general use, any decent SSD would be fine.

About 70% of games are still on my HDD and they run fine, only the heaviest and online games are on my SSD, even that just to improve load times.

I personally have Team MP33 for my OS and game drive, which is really a super budget SSD, I have no complaints.

[vinbullet]

I'm sorry, I'm not an expert in this matter. I made a terrible choice in my last SSD upgrade. I think you should use https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/  but use three of your most important criteria. Don't use just one. Then after that process use the 4K read/write speeds of your 3 finalists to determine which one you should buy. YT has Fake Benchmarks as far as I am concerned. Until LTT Labs is underway.

[Alex Atkin UK]

9 minutes ago, vinbullet said:

I'm sorry, I'm not an expert in this matter. I made a terrible choice in my last SSD upgrade. I think you should use https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/  but use three of your most important criteria. Don't use just one. Then after that process use the 4K read/write speeds of your 3 finalists to determine which one you should buy. YT has Fake Benchmarks as far as I am concerned. Until LTT Labs is underway.

Why do you think you made a terrible choice?  There's nothing wrong with WD Blue, they're fairly basic but shouldn't be causing you problems.  Just bear in mind the capacity generally determines the RAW speed and how much SLC cache you have (the bit of the drive that runs the fastest).  But none of that should really matter for running games, it just can slow down installing games if you have fast broadband.

 

Nobody should use userbenchmark, ever, period, its a bad site that cannot be trusted as they always report AMD CPUs as worse than Intel so I wouldn't trust any of their tests to be unbiased.

[vinbullet]

1 minute ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Why do you think you made a terrible choice?

 

Nobody should use userbenchmark, ever, period, its a bad site that cannot be trusted as they always report AMD CPUs as worse than Intel so I wouldn't trust any of their tests to be unbiased.

Because I bought a DDR5 SSD, thinking it was top notch due to specs and brand name, but turns out it is terrible in daily use. Fair enough, what site do you recommend for SSD's besides Backblaze? 

[NobleGamer]

12 minutes ago, vinbullet said:

what site do you recommend for SSD's besides Backblaze? 

I recommend PC Part Picker, which tested the 130+ most popular storage drives. Here's some 500GB drives to compare yours to: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/benchmarks/?benchmark=rand50#t=0&D=1&c1=di_m2.pcie_30_x4&A=500000000000,512000000000&sort=-randwrite50&page=1

[vinbullet]

I have a 4tb drive, lol, and I cant afford another. I know I made a grave error. There's nothing I can do at this point though.

28 minutes ago, NobleGamer said:

I recommend PC Part Picker, which tested the 130+ most popular storage drives. Here's some 500GB drives to compare yours to: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/benchmarks/?benchmark=rand50#t=0&D=1&c1=di_m2.pcie_30_x4&A=500000000000,512000000000&sort=-randwrite50&page=1

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, vinbullet said:

I have a 4tb drive, lol, and I cant afford another. I know I made a grave error. There's nothing I can do at this point though.

I'm confused, given you literally told the OP that it shouldn't make a major difference in games.  What specifically is bad about what you chose?

[Ser Superior001]

On 3/26/2023 at 8:02 PM, Alex Atkin UK said:

Why do you think you made a terrible choice?  There's nothing wrong with WD Blue, they're fairly basic but shouldn't be causing you problems.  Just bear in mind the capacity generally determines the RAW speed and how much SLC cache you have (the bit of the drive that runs the fastest).  But none of that should really matter for running games, it just can slow down installing games if you have fast broadband.

 

Nobody should use userbenchmark, ever, period, its a bad site that cannot be trusted as they always report AMD CPUs as worse than Intel so I wouldn't trust any of their tests to be unbiased.

what do you mean with wd blue is basic ssd?, whats the diff in basic ones and no basic ones?, tell me

[Ser Superior001]

On 3/26/2023 at 8:21 PM, NobleGamer said:

I recommend PC Part Picker, which tested the 130+ most popular storage drives. Here's some 500GB drives to compare yours to: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/benchmarks/?benchmark=rand50#t=0&D=1&c1=di_m2.pcie_30_x4&A=500000000000,512000000000&sort=-randwrite50&page=1

are that link reliable??, are that the list from worst to best ssd or what?

[Ser Superior001]

On 3/26/2023 at 8:02 PM, Alex Atkin UK said:

Why do you think you made a terrible choice?  There's nothing wrong with WD Blue, they're fairly basic but shouldn't be causing you problems.  Just bear in mind the capacity generally determines the RAW speed and how much SLC cache you have (the bit of the drive that runs the fastest).  But none of that should really matter for running games, it just can slow down installing games if you have fast broadband.

 

Nobody should use userbenchmark, ever, period, its a bad site that cannot be trusted as they always report AMD CPUs as worse than Intel so I wouldn't trust any of their tests to be unbiased.

userbenchmark website comparations are fake?, like this?

 

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-980/3639vs2576

 

how do yu know that website is not reliable

[NobleGamer]

1 hour ago, xXAXONXx said:

are that link reliable??, are that the list from worst to best ssd or what?

Yes, they have a solid test methodology.

That link happens to sort them by fastest to slowest random speeds. You can sort them however you want and select 2 or more and see their performance charts.

[Ser Superior001]

22 hours ago, NobleGamer said:

Yes, they have a solid test methodology.

That link happens to sort them by fastest to slowest random speeds. You can sort them however you want and select 2 or more and see their performance charts.

whats the diff in a basic ssd and a non basic ssd?, what does basic means?

[NobleGamer]

5 hours ago, xXAXONXx said:

whats the diff in a basic ssd and a non basic ssd?, what does basic means?

It was just a very general term Alex used to categorize SSDs and it's not an industry term. Basic SSDs have no cache and simpler memory tech that are cheaper, but I agree that he said (below) it doesn't matter for running games. There are other SSDs with cache and more complex memory that are usually more expensive, but unless you have a very specific use for them you won't notice a real difference between the two. 

 

 

On 3/26/2023 at 9:02 PM, Alex Atkin UK said:

But none of that should really matter for running games, it just can slow down installing games if you have fast broadband.

 

[Ser Superior001]

1 hour ago, NobleGamer said:

It was just a very general term Alex used to categorize SSDs and it's not an industry term. Basic SSDs have no cache and simpler memory tech that are cheaper, but I agree that he said (below) it doesn't matter for running games. There are other SSDs with cache and more complex memory that are usually more expensive, but unless you have a very specific use for them you won't notice a real difference between the two. 

 

 

 

so basic and non basic ssds are the same in windows/gaming?, i have i7 6700k gtx 1070 and 32 gb ram 2666mhz

[Alex Atkin UK]

48 minutes ago, xXAXONXx said:

so basic and non basic ssds are the same in windows/gaming?, i have i7 6700k gtx 1070 and 32 gb ram 2666mhz

On a PC of that age you're presumably limited to only SATA SSDs anyway?

Personally I'd always go for a known brand, Samsung, Western Digital, etc but otherwise not worry too much about the model.

To come back to your original point, WD BLUE are fine, I have one in my gaming PC and its definitely not slow.  You can't expect miracles on a 6700k especially if its newer games, they tend to use a lot of compression so its likely the CPU is slowing you down not the SSD.

[Ser Superior001]

19 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

On a PC of that age you're presumably limited to only SATA SSDs anyway?

Personally I'd always go for a known brand, Samsung, Western Digital, etc but otherwise not worry too much about the model.

To come back to your original point, WD BLUE are fine, I have one in my gaming PC and its definitely not slow.  You can't expect miracles on a 6700k especially if its newer games, they tend to use a lot of compression so its likely the CPU is slowing you down not the SSD.

mmmm my msi z170a g 45 gaming have a m2, what is sata ssd?

[Alex Atkin UK]

2 hours ago, xXAXONXx said:

mmmm my msi z170a g 45 gaming have a m2, what is sata ssd?

Ah it does have PCIe Gen 3 M.2 slots, I recall they were less common back then.

Basically there are M.2 SSDs that are PCIe (really fast), SATA (the same speed is a 2.5" SSD) or standard HDD replacements in 2.5" SATA format, the latter of which may be cheaper as the physical size means they can use smaller NAND chips but more of them.

[Ser Superior001]

17 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Ah it does have PCIe Gen 3 M.2 slots, I recall they were less common back then.

Basically there are M.2 SSDs that are PCIe (really fast), SATA (the same speed is a 2.5" SSD) or standard HDD replacements in 2.5" SATA format, the latter of which may be cheaper as the physical size means they can use smaller NAND chips but more of them.

so the m2 ssds are much faster than standar ssds like wd blue?

[Alex Atkin UK]

4 hours ago, xXAXONXx said:

so the m2 ssds are much faster than standar ssds like wd blue?

PCIe ones yes, they can be many times faster.

[Ser Superior001]

On 4/2/2023 at 8:51 PM, Alex Atkin UK said:

PCIe ones yes, they can be many times faster.

are youtalking about the pci express ssds right?, there only existe 3 ssds, the standard ones like wd blue, the m2 and the pciE am i right?, and the pcie are faster than both m2 and standard right