13600k vs 7700x vs 5800x3d

[Eros Tharsis]

Hi all, 

 

The 13600k, 7700x and 5800x3d are all approximately the same price in the UK at £300-£320. Putting aside the difference in platform cost as I am not expecting to build for a few more months and hoping DDR5 will continue to come down, what do you think is the best gaming CPU out of the three options?

 

Given that I'm not looking to keep my tea warm with the heat coming of this computer and electricity is expensive, efficiency would also be interesting to consider.

 

Currently, the only other work load I have is some light CAD work, so the productivity side is not key.

 

Greatly appreciate any thoughts or advice

 

[CatHerder]

If you are into strategy games 5800X3D absolutely destroys due to its large cache. In games like Factorio, Civ or Paradox grand strategy games, that extra cache will nearly double your game speeds towards the end game with tons of things going on. These games aren't that much about FPS, but about ticks per second, and this is something that most CPUs bottleneck with. 5800X3D doesn't.

[Dedayog]

38 minutes ago, Eros Tharsis said:

Hi all, 

 

The 13600k, 7700x and 5800x3d are all approximately the same price in the UK at £300-£320. Putting aside the difference in platform cost as I am not expecting to build for a few more months and hoping DDR5 will continue to come down, what do you think is the best gaming CPU out of the three options?

 

Given that I'm not looking to keep my tea warm with the heat coming of this computer and electricity is expensive, efficiency would also be interesting to consider.

 

Currently, the only other work load I have is some light CAD work, so the productivity side is not key.

 

Greatly appreciate any thoughts or advice

 

If you're not building for months, take into consideration the 7800x3d as well.

 

For now, I wouldn't build new with a 580x3d, but in the coming  months... definitely not.

[PC HEROES]

37 minutes ago, Eros Tharsis said:

Hi all, 

 

The 13600k, 7700x and 5800x3d are all approximately the same price in the UK at £300-£320. Putting aside the difference in platform cost as I am not expecting to build for a few more months and hoping DDR5 will continue to come down, what do you think is the best gaming CPU out of the three options?

 

Given that I'm not looking to keep my tea warm with the heat coming of this computer and electricity is expensive, efficiency would also be interesting to consider.

 

Currently, the only other work load I have is some light CAD work, so the productivity side is not key.

 

Greatly appreciate any thoughts or advice

 

Hi, There are newer versions of the AMD 3D CPUs that just came out about a month ago.

 

Now Available: The Revolutionary AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D & AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D

AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D Gaming Processor

 

AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D Amazon Link

 

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, PC HEROES said:

Hi, There are newer versions of the AMD 3D CPUs that just came out about a month ago.

 

Now Available: The Revolutionary AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D & AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D

AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D Gaming Processor

 

AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D Amazon Link

 

Right but think he's looking in the $300 range (7900x3d is $600)  Those are still a bit pricey.  Plus I think the 7800x3d will be just as fast gaming if you compare the 7700x to the 7950x.  The 7950x3d is only 1 CCD cashed up, so it should be similar even though it has a bit more cache.  

[Eros Tharsis]

1 hour ago, CatHerder said:

If you are into strategy games 5800X3D absolutely destroys due to its large cache. In games like Factorio, Civ or Paradox grand strategy games, that extra cache will nearly double your game speeds towards the end game with tons of things going on. These games aren't that much about FPS, but about ticks per second, and this is something that most CPUs bottleneck with. 5800X3D doesn't.

Wow, it‘s like you‘re reading my steam library. Paradox‘s EU4 and Civ6 are my two most played at the moment, so the extra cache seems the way to go. Thanks

[MisterCrow]

1 hour ago, Eros Tharsis said:

Hi all, 

 

The 13600k, 7700x and 5800x3d are all approximately the same price in the UK at £300-£320. Putting aside the difference in platform cost as I am not expecting to build for a few more months and hoping DDR5 will continue to come down, what do you think is the best gaming CPU out of the three options?

 

Given that I'm not looking to keep my tea warm with the heat coming of this computer and electricity is expensive, efficiency would also be interesting to consider.

 

Currently, the only other work load I have is some light CAD work, so the productivity side is not key.

 

Greatly appreciate any thoughts or advice

 

The new Ryzen 7700 or 7900 are 65W CPUs which will provide similar performance to their X variants, whilst being around the same price and having far lower power requirements (and lower heat production). They even come with a reasonable stock cooler.

 

Unlike what I've done, you could wait for the new X3D chips to drop around the beginning of next month and see how they compare, but I expect they will probably be power hungry and hot.

[CatHerder]

6 minutes ago, Eros Tharsis said:

Wow, it‘s like you‘re reading my steam library. Paradox‘s EU4 and Civ6 are my two most played at the moment, so the extra cache seems the way to go. Thanks

I know. Reason why i am so hyped about is that i also mostly play such games.

What many channels testing these chips miss is that they always just test the same kind of games where CPU basically only exists to feed frames to the GPU, while ignoring the games where the CPU is actually the main star.

Well, this video goes further than that, and i love it for it.

[Eros Tharsis]

53 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Right but think he's looking in the $300 range (7900x3d is $600)  Those are still a bit pricey.  Plus I think the 7800x3d will be just as fast gaming if you compare the 7700x to the 7950x.  The 7950x3d is only 1 CCD cashed up, so it should be similar even though it has a bit more cache.  

Given the $450 price point for the 7800x3D, it would just be a bit too much for me unfortunately. Hopefully the new releases will only serve to bring down the price of older CPUsfurther?

 

Would you still suggest the previous gen x3d over the 7700 or 13600K?

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, Eros Tharsis said:

Given the $450 price point for the 7800x3D, it would just be a bit too much for me unfortunately. Hopefully the new releases will only serve to bring down the price of older CPUsfurther?

 

Would you still suggest the previous gen x3d over the 7700 or 13600K?

Honestly, for your game library yes.  It's priced well, and you can build an AM4 system for cheaper since motherboards and DDR4 are cheaper.  Get some inexpensive SSDs and a decent GPU.  Done.

 

Most of our recommendations are in general, but if we know exactly what you're playing it helps.  Spec out a 5800x3d system vs a 7700x system if you need further convincing.

 

Edit:  I'm also counting on Micrcoenter having great deals on the 7800x3d when it comes out, they got my back

 

[Eros Tharsis]

28 minutes ago, MisterCrow said:

The new Ryzen 7700 or 7900 are 65W CPUs which will provide similar performance to their X variants, whilst being around the same price and having far lower power requirements (and lower heat production). They even come with a reasonable stock cooler.

 

Unlike what I've done, you could wait for the new X3D chips to drop around the beginning of next month and see how they compare, but I expect they will probably be power hungry and hot.

Thanks! I had completely forgotten about the non-X variants and will check those out.

[Eros Tharsis]

9 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Honestly, for your game library yes.  It's priced well, and you can build an AM4 system for cheaper since motherboards and DDR4 are cheaper.  Get some inexpensive SSDs and a decent GPU.  Done.

 

Most of our recommendations are in general, but if we know exactly what you're playing it helps.  Spec out a 5800x3d system vs a 7700x system if you need further convincing.

5800X3D it is then! Thanks everyone

[RevGAM]

1 hour ago, PC HEROES said:

Hi, There are newer versions of the AMD 3D CPUs that just came out about a month ago.

 

Now Available: The Revolutionary AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D & AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D

AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D Gaming Processor

 

AMD Ryzen™ 9 7900X3D Amazon Link

 

How many motherboards support these already?

[Dedayog]

25 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

How many motherboards support these already?

They all do.  Some may need a BIOS update, but my Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro Ax didn't...

 

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B650-AORUS-PRO-AX-rev-1x/support#support-cpu

[brob]

3 hours ago, Eros Tharsis said:

Hi all, 

 

The 13600k, 7700x and 5800x3d are all approximately the same price in the UK at £300-£320. Putting aside the difference in platform cost as I am not expecting to build for a few more months and hoping DDR5 will continue to come down, what do you think is the best gaming CPU out of the three options?

 

Given that I'm not looking to keep my tea warm with the heat coming of this computer and electricity is expensive, efficiency would also be interesting to consider.

 

Currently, the only other work load I have is some light CAD work, so the productivity side is not key.

 

Greatly appreciate any thoughts or advice

 

 

Gaming performance is fairly close between the CPU. Actual numbers depend a great deal on memory speed & timings, but mostly gaming resolution & GPU.

 

When all is said and done any of these CPU is going to give you an excellent gaming experience with any given GPU. As I've read in more than one review, the difference between 278 fps and 265 fps is not noticeable.

 

Given the volatility of CPU prices, wait until you are ready to purchase the system. Then price out systems with each CPU choice, (pcpartpicker makes this very easy), and choose the most appealing, i.e. the best value.

[PC HEROES]

6 hours ago, RevGAM said:

How many motherboards support these already?

I believe most of them do and if they don't out of the box just get a Motherboard with a BIOS Flashback option so that you don't need a older CPU to update just the USB Stick. I know a lot of Gigabyte and ASUS boards have this ability, it's usually on the I/O back plate of the board, just turn on the system and plug in the USB to the correct USB slot and press the button or go through the BIOS but be sure to read the boards manual first.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

9 hours ago, Eros Tharsis said:

Wow, it‘s like you‘re reading my steam library. Paradox‘s EU4 and Civ6 are my two most played at the moment, so the extra cache seems the way to go. Thanks

I'd go for the 7800x3d then