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Chris_UK
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Budget (including currency):  ~£1000

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Sims 4, Cities Skylines, Airport CEO, Surviving the Aftermath, Minecraft, plus day to day family usage

Other details don't need peripherals such as mouse, keyboard, speakers etc already have these.

 

The use of the Velka 3  (i might be able to move to a velka 5 just with space but its out of stock for a while, Densium 4 would fit, fractal ridge it to tall) is because house is small rental so we do not have much space at all so we cannot really fit a tower in or on the floor around the current WFH workstation. The Power Supply has the noctua upgrade to it.

 

I'm not after a top end gaming PC just one that will play city/base builders for me, minecraft for the child and sims for the wife. Doesn't need to be top end FPS either as long as its playable. I'm well aware that due to being a very SFF I'm paying a premium on parts and if we had the space to go bigger could get a far better setup so while budget can flex, I dont want to pay much more if it can be helped.

 

Any thoughts/advice? 

 

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If your willing to go a little larger than the Velka you could save a bit of cash and get better components. A Zalman M2 Mini is only £50 and it's footprint isn't much bigger at 33 by 15 (instead of 19 by 10).

 

Also, You should probably get a cheaper motherboard, SSD and PSU and spend the money you save on a better GPU. From what I remember the reviews of the 6400 were not promising.

Also, is 32GB of ram a requirement? 16GB will be fine for gaming.

 

Can you send the PC part picker link for your build?

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

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He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

If your willing to go a little larger than the Velka you could save a bit of cash and get better components. A Zalman M2 Mini is only £50 and it's footprint isn't much bigger at 33 by 15 (instead of 19 by 10).

 

Also, You should probably get a cheaper motherboard, SSD and PSU and spend the money you save on a better GPU. From what I remember the reviews of the 6400 were not promising.

 

Can you send the PC part picker link for your build?

Yeah i was a bit concerned with the price of the Mobo but it also didn't want hot garbage for it

 

PC picker list is https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/ccamm88/saved/hhYrGX

 

the 6400 i agree isnt the best thing out there but I think for the use case it should hold up fine

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1 minute ago, Ccamm88 said:

Yeah i was a bit concerned with the price of the Mobo but it also didn't want hot garbage for it

 

PC picker list is https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/ccamm88/saved/hhYrGX

 

the 6400 i agree isnt the best thing out there but I think for the use case it should hold up fine

 

Even so, the 6400 is the weak part of your build and it really dosn't need to be.

 

For motherboard, I'd get a ASRock B660M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fxC48d/asrock-b660m-itxac-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-itxac

It's not fancy but it will deal with this use case fine.

 

As for RAM, I'd drop to 16GB (2x8), there is no need to get 32GB

 

As for the SSD, I'd get a cheaper Dram-less drive. In your use case the lack of DRam shouldn't matter much (watch reviews to confirm this).

 

Also as stated above, consider a cheaper case (I relalise there is a space limit but the cheaper cases arn't much larger, how large is the space you have to fit it in?) and PSU.

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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Even so, the 6400 is the weak part of your build and it really dosn't need to be.

 

For motherboard, I'd get a ASRock B660M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fxC48d/asrock-b660m-itxac-mini-itx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-itxac

It's not fancy but it will deal with this use case fine.

 

As for RAM, I'd drop to 16GB (2x8), there is no need to get 32GB

 

As for the SSD, I'd get a cheaper Dram-less drive. In your use case the lack of DRam shouldn't matter much (watch reviews to confirm this).

 

Also as stated above, consider a cheaper case (I relalise there is a space limit but the cheaper cases arn't much larger, how large is the space you have to fit it in?) and PSU.

Cheers I’ll take a look and have a play around with price and parts. Space wise is right because it’s got to fit on my desk around my existing setup.

 

the m2 mini informally is slightly taller (which isn’t a huge issue as long as not much taller) but twice as wide and almost twice as deep, it would end up hanging off the edge of the desk.

 

I will downgrade to 16gb ram, I think the 32gb came from seeing some builds but I guess they were trying to push as much as they could into the small case rather than what I need 

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So had a play around but to get the costs down, but a 3060 is plus £300. I want to keep the 32g/ ram as cities skylines and transport fever are memory hogs. 
 

I guess it’s either shelve the idea for now or up the budget, or look what I can find second hand to reduce costs 

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Just seen this - similar build to what I’m after

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234877568019?hash=item36afcb4413:g:dpgAAOSwaMZj1kOz&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4LB58KJSbZo7fJWEDJDwqwDeRVkXlnALQIYJdbsJb6d4ABngwD5zf0Irrkqzuss5N%2Bc9XhC6TRxh8BLPB987tMSCJabbCc3c2vqolyyNe1LNxCypxbwmFaRZ5gkMHbdMbbsEl2hESKwHCC2FijFXHw%2BE4tHsnrGTF8ZOsiUyQUXypI3b2BEqMYxKPBSWbHauK09pU9cptWs0nS4Aq3aiev6VE%2B2xu0FxIAMZmKepnEcL8kG0%2FXArIVQxqaU2j6s61lkTIpSmpsn%2FsuZrFj72mkImWkIdZvjfvBxA4J1pBfXx|tkp%3ABk9SR7rK8ePDYQ

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right so back on this now and playing around with a few options as i do want to get this over the line and purchased

 

I have an intel option and an AMD option as I was playing around with parts and compatibility and I'm not wedded to either brand

 

AMD

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/ccamm88/saved/BjRJwP

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for the Intel one

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/ccamm88/saved/hhYrGX

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So the core change apart from the CPU is that although the AMD ones comes in about £50 more it replaces the 6400 for a 3050. Would love to stick a 3060 in there but for what its used for would be a)overkill and b) to expensive especially as its going to be a day to day PC with games such as Sims 4, Anno 1800, surviving the aftermath and airport ceo.

 

between the two which would you go with, and any recommendations on how to maybe bring the costs down (even if it hits specs slight as I don't need everything to be current gen without changing the case)

 

im guessing even a 1060 mini would be better than the 6400?

 

 

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