New personal PC, for gaming, light coding,

[Alaxandar66]

Budget (including currency): 1,300

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming, some coding (mostly just making things/addons for other programs in c# or java, not really compiling code), occasional server hosting, running AI software (stable diffusion), these are things my current pc does now decently, but I've noticed my cpu bottlenecking my gpu.

Hi I currently have an intel core i7 4790k, an MSI RTX 3080 Ventus 3X Plus 10G OC LHR (recently upgraded for a cheap price), an MSI Z97 PC Mate Motherboard, and a couple samsung SSDs, and an 850 watt EVGA PSU. I'm looking to figure out a good build to upgrade to. I'm wanting to get the Intel Core i7-13700K, and I plan on carrying my 3080 and PSU to my new build.

I'm mostly having a hard time determining a case to get as well as motherboard. Since I still have 4th gen intel I don't believe I can flash a bios for a board that doesn't support the 13th gen out of the box.

I'd also really like some reliable M.2 drives, I've never had M.2 in a build of my own.

 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Alaxandar66/saved/KwQtt6

 

This is what I've come up with so far.

The 3080 and PSU are not being upgraded, they're carrying over from my build along with a couple SSDs and an HDD or 2. I'd also prefer an AIO, and I do not care if there is or isn't any RGB in the PC. I do a lot of VR gaming as well, mostly beat saber but I plan on playing upcoming vr games when they come out.

I plan on upgrading to a 1440p monitor in the future but I'm currently running 1920x1200 triple monitors. And I'm hoping to have this built by the end of the year.

any advice? all is appreciated

 

Edit:
I currently have 16gb of DDR4 G.Skill RAM, it's as old as the CPU but I don't know the speed, I'm wanting at least 32gb of RAM, I don't care if it's DDR4 or DDR5

[TylerD321]

Out of curiosity, for what reason do you prefer an AIO? The only reason I have an AIO in my system is because I move it around frequently and didn’t want to have a big block of metal putting stress on the internals of my pc. Way cheaper to get comparable cooling with air cooling.

 

I don’t like the case. You will be having some hot components and would benefit from an airflow centered case instead of a case with a closed front.

 

Power supply seems a little expensive for what it is. Corsair 850 watt would run you around 150 iirc.

 

Everything else seems fine to me.

[podkall]

Which tasks bottlenecked your CPU and was the task single-thread or could it use all the CPU threads?

[Alaxandar66]

7 minutes ago, podkall said:

Which tasks bottlenecked your CPU and was the task single-thread or could it use all the CPU threads?

Gaming with raytracing on is mostly where I've noticed it. 

[Alaxandar66]

14 minutes ago, TylerD321 said:

Out of curiosity, for what reason do you prefer an AIO? The only reason I have an AIO in my system is because I move it around frequently and didn’t want to have a big block of metal putting stress on the internals of my pc. Way cheaper to get comparable cooling with air cooling.

 

I don’t like the case. You will be having some hot components and would benefit from an airflow centered case instead of a case with a closed front.

 

Power supply seems a little expensive for what it is. Corsair 850 watt would run you around 150 iirc.

 

Everything else seems fine to me.

I don't need an AIO but I picked it cause I hadn't used one yet, it doesn't seem like a bad idea. Do you have any case recommendations, or air cpu cooler recommendations?
And I already own the PSU so it's staying. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FjRqQ6

Just a bunch of cost cutting, you could go for a 13900k or a 7950x in this budget if you dont waste on crap like aios or expensive cases

[podkall]

2 minutes ago, Alaxandar66 said:

I don't need an AIO but I picked it cause I hadn't used one yet, it doesn't seem like a bad idea. Do you have any case recommendations, or air cpu cooler recommendations?
And I already own the PSU so it's staying. 

He asked because water cooling isn't always better cooling

[TylerD321]

7 minutes ago, Alaxandar66 said:

I don't need an AIO but I picked it cause I hadn't used one yet, it doesn't seem like a bad idea. Do you have any case recommendations, or air cpu cooler recommendations?
And I already own the PSU so it's staying. 

Noctua Nh-D15 is a pretty standard known to be good air cpu cooler.

 

For cases, I have the Corsair 4000D airflow and really like it. You could also look at the 5000D airflow.

 

5 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FjRqQ6

Just a bunch of cost cutting, you could go for a 13900k or a 7950x in this budget if you dont waste on crap like aios or expensive cases

I’m not a huge fan of buying from brands I don’t recognize, so if it were me this isn’t a build I’d even almost consider. However, it would probably do just fine. Cpu cooler looks a little wimpy. 
 

Edit: looked at the cpu cooler from Amazon page instead of pcpartpicker page and I take back the looking wimpy. Seems to be perfectly sufficient  

Edited October 28, 2022 by TylerD321

[podkall]

1 minute ago, TylerD321 said:

Noctua Nh-D15 is a pretty standard known to be good air cpu cooler.

 

For cases, I have the Corsair 4000D airflow and really like it. You could also look at the 5000D airflow.

 

I’m not a huge fan of buying from brands I don’t recognize, so if it were me this isn’t a build I’d even almost consider. However, it would probably do just fine. Cpu cooler looks a little wimpy.

That list has CL18 memory, isn't that gonna be noticable?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

31 minutes ago, podkall said:

That list has CL18 memory, isn't that gonna be noticable?

Cas does not do shit at such slow speeds, you wont even get a 1ns latency drop per drop in cas at such slow 3600 speeds, thats why 3600 cl18 > 3200 cl16 and cas is a retard trap. Ram performance is all in the subtimings and primaries are useless garbage (aside from trcd on intel apparently)

 

38 minutes ago, TylerD321 said:

I’m not a huge fan of buying from brands I don’t recognize

Branding wise not really important

Ram will still be from the same few ic manufacturers like samsung, micron, hynix, even smaller ones like eplida or nanya (but very rare). Case wise i do see some concern over branding but ive never seen a case just fall apart, itll still likely be better than oem cases though and oem cases dont seem to fall apart either

[Alaxandar66]

39 minutes ago, TylerD321 said:

Noctua Nh-D15 is a pretty standard known to be good air cpu cooler.

 

For cases, I have the Corsair 4000D airflow and really like it. You could also look at the 5000D airflow.

 

I’m not a huge fan of buying from brands I don’t recognize, so if it were me this isn’t a build I’d even almost consider. However, it would probably do just fine. Cpu cooler looks a little wimpy. 
 

Edit: looked at the cpu cooler from Amazon page instead of pcpartpicker page and I take back the looking wimpy. Seems to be perfectly sufficient  

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nXFYqm

How does this list look to you? I decided on the 4000D rather than 5000D because of the price difference. Both are a hell of a lot easier to work in than my current case.

 

 

44 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FjRqQ6

Just a bunch of cost cutting, you could go for a 13900k or a 7950x in this budget if you dont waste on crap like aios or expensive cases

I'm also not a fan of buying things from non-known brands, especially for drive storage. Also I specifically need a mobo that I don't need to flash for 13th gen support, as I don't, have a processor that would let me boot.

[TylerD321]

4 minutes ago, Alaxandar66 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nXFYqm

How does this list look to you? I decided on the 4000D rather than 5000D because of the price difference. Both are a hell of a lot easier to work in than my current case.

 

 

I'm also not a fan of buying things from non-known brands, especially for drive storage. Also I specifically need a mobo that I don't need to flash for 13th gen support, as I don't, have a processor that would let me boot.

I like it Picasso.

Edit: I didn’t think about this before, but you might be better off with the Noctua NH-D15s for ram clearance. That’s something you’ll have to look into yourself though.

Edited October 28, 2022 by TylerD321
Ram clearance

[podkall]

8 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Cas does not do shit at such slow speeds, you wont even get a 1ns latency drop per drop in cas at such slow 3600 speeds, thats why 3600 cl18 > 3200 cl16 and cas is a retard trap. Ram performance is all in the subtimings and primaries are useless garbage (aside from trcd on intel apparently)

Really? so 3600 ct18 is faster than 3200 cl16?

 

Does it matter if you have higher speeds?

 

8 minutes ago, Alaxandar66 said:

I'm also not a fan of buying things from non-known brands, especially for drive storage. Also I specifically need a mobo that I don't need to flash for 13th gen support, as I don't, have a processor that would let me boot.

Some motherboards don't need CPU to flash bios.

[TylerD321]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

Some motherboards don't need CPU to flash bios.

We were actually just talking about this on another post if you want to give it a read. 
 

 

[iGPR3]

16 minutes ago, Alaxandar66 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nXFYqm

How does this list look to you? I decided on the 4000D rather than 5000D because of the price difference. Both are a hell of a lot easier to work in than my current case.

 

 

I'm also not a fan of buying things from non-known brands, especially for drive storage. Also I specifically need a mobo that I don't need to flash for 13th gen support, as I don't, have a processor that would let me boot.

If you didnt mind spending the extra penny, you could always try for a Lian Li Lancool II Mesh. I daily drive it and its a great case, better temps than most cases and it looks fantastic. Theres room for an E-ATX motherboard so theres plenty of room, and its super well built. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

28 minutes ago, Alaxandar66 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nXFYqm

How does this list look to you? I decided on the 4000D rather than 5000D because of the price difference. Both are a hell of a lot easier to work in than my current case

Horrible for the price as i demonstrated in my list

case is personal preference

d15 is becoming obselete with newer and cheaper coolers (fuma 2, ak620, peerless assasin 120, frost spirit 140)

 

ddr5 is stupid performance wise but an extra 75$ for limited futureproofing (ability to oc from 5600 -> 6600/7000) dont seem that bad since when you get your next platform you likely wont need to upgrade ram but then the next you can get far better ddr5 than the platform before it, completely useless if you arent willing to overclock though and you are better off with ddr4

 

also mushkin has been around for YEARS like ddr1 era old so no its not an unknown brand, ram branding doesnt matter and its stupid to buy ram purely cause of branding since the ics still come from the same few manufacturers

 

The case i get if you dont trust it, never even heard of that brand ever, though zalman i3 is 70$ and comes with 4 rgb fans instead of the 2 you get with the 4000d airflow but again personal preference

 

If you dont spend all your money on unneccesary crap like top brands or aios or something then a 13900k should easily fit in the budget, maybe even a 7950x

[Somerandomtechyboi]

24 minutes ago, podkall said:

Really? so 3600 ct18 is faster than 3200 cl16?

 

Does it matter if you have higher speeds?

Yes

 

But higher speed that depends, yes higher = better, mostly bandwidth improvement but it may also help with latency. Though better to stay in gear1 since if you wanna have any benifit of going gear2 you need to clock >5200 ddr4 which high binned hynix djrs are good at, top bin rev e and 16gbit rev b can also but thats pretty much at their limit before timings go to complete shit, top bin djr can apparently do somewhere around 5800 since theres some dudes over at rog forums ocing high bin 5333 tridentz royals to 5866 on air, and at only ~1.7v so no need to epower the rams to stop the damn imc from potential slight degradation