AIO for a build?

[Edward686]

Looking to build a pc

Would an AIO be better for this? Budget’s around 100USD

[Motifator]

De parts list is private, JFI.

[Bombastinator]

Got a “this parts list is private” but unless there’s a 12700 or 12900 in it the answer is probably “no” 

[Edward686]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

Got a “this parts list is private” but unless there’s a 12700 or 12900 in it the answer is probably “no” 

Mb 5800x3d so no?

[Motifator]

43 minutes ago, Edward686 said:

Mb 5800x3d so no?

It does heat up a bit, LF2 240 / 280 might do.

[freeagent]

A guy with a 5800X3D took my advice and bought my cooler. Went from highs in the 90s to highs down in the upper 70s. Its a great cooler, especially if you have a high airflow case like Meshify C, or Torrent Compact.

[Edward686]

5 hours ago, freeagent said:

A guy with a 5800X3D took my advice and bought my cooler. Went from highs in the 90s to highs down in the upper 70s. Its a great cooler, especially if you have a high airflow case like Meshify C, or Torrent Compact.

Recommendations for thermal paste?

[Bombastinator]

27 minutes ago, Edward686 said:

Recommendations for thermal paste?

Non drying.  Diamond works well but it’s really thick and tends to dig into what it is put on, which is a reason it works well, but also a reason that once you use it you can’t use anything else.  It’s a “just leave it for the lifetime of the machine” sort of thing.  Liquid Metal has even more and bigger caveats.  It will eat a lot of metals including alloys containing those metals which is an even bigger potential problem than the fact that it’s electrically conductive.  If Liquid Metal didn’t suck to work with and flat out damage some stuff other pastes wouldn’t even exist though because it’s that much better at it.  I’d say get what’s on sale. The difference between good and bad is like 5°

[Motifator]

10 hours ago, Edward686 said:

Recommendations for thermal paste?

Alseye T9+ or TF8, both same thing. Kryonaut on the much cheaper, very high performance TIM.. high quality, dries up a bit, but you can always re-apply.

[freeagent]

I am using TF7 for now, it came with my coolers. Its actually not bad at all. I had a big tube of TF8 before and liked it, but have not tried it on AM4 yet. I would imagine them to be fairly similar. I was using SYY-157 previously, but I think I like TF7 better with my CPU.

[Bombastinator]

22 hours ago, Edward686 said:

Mb 5800x3d so no?

Or not anymore at least Maybe it got fixed but not documented.

 

at any rate:  I don’t know much about the 3d chips.  They’re basically zen3 with a whack ton of extra cache stuck on top.  Zen2 was barely worth overclocking at all except for all core cache which while technically an overclock also really isn’t one.  Zen3 was a little bit.  It was worth it to get the infinity fabric speed high enough to take faster memory for some people. 
I don’t know much about the overclocking characteristics of this chip OR how hot it runs.  If it IS usefully overclockable AND you want to mess with that, it is not impossible that a watercooler with its higher thermal envelope may be useful.  I kinda doubt it though.  5950s that had max all core boots on could actually benefit from them, but you would be boosting half that many cores.

[Edward686]

Or is a noctua nhd15 enough for 5800x3D

[Motifator]

15 minutes ago, Edward686 said:

Or is a noctua nhd15 enough for 5800x3D

While suffice, it certainly is overpriced. Freeagent's suggestion of a Thermalright would be perfectly fine.

5800X3D can't be overclocked.

[Bombastinator]

24 minutes ago, Edward686 said:

Or is a noctua nhd15 enough for 5800x3D

That Noctua falls into the “big air” category of coolers.  Noctua is known for high quality fans, easy to use mounts, good build quality, low noise, and high prices.  There are a bunch of coolers in that class which all behave pretty similarly.  Price generally ranges from $60 to $120.  That 55 dollar one you picked is one I’ve never heard of before.  It’s price makes it very interesting.  I can’t count the pipes though so I don’t know if it’s in the same class or not.  Assuming it is 6 pipe, and Assuming it’s a lot like a fuma2 which are often $60-65 I would say it will be slightly louder and cool ever so slightly less well.  As a general rule a well constructed pipe of a given diameter is a well constructed pipe of that size.  So I count the pipes and compare the surface area and consider similar things similar.  There is also a question of mounting pressure and evenness though as GN points out.  All things being near equal I personally consider it a question of what is on sale where at any given moment.  It will likely be marginally quieter than the one you picked.  I don’t know if it will actually cool any better though. If it does it won’t be by a ton. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Bombastinator

[freeagent]

2 hours ago, Motifator said:

While suffice, it certainly is overpriced. Freeagent's suggestion of a Thermalright would be perfectly fine.

5800X3D can't be overclocked.

Its a badass cooler 

[Bombastinator]

17 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Its a badass cooler 

It’s certainly a great price if it’s six pipe.  They don’t stic out the top though and there’s only one pic.  If it’s a 5 pipe coole it’s averagely priced if it’s a 4 pipe cooler it’s expensive.

 

googleing it and looking at pics I’m seeing 5 pipes.  So a 5 pipe dual tower 140 two fan.  A 5 pipe built like a 6 pipe.  Had to be some.  There are 6 pipes built single stack like 5 pipes.  I’ve even got one.  Will be below most big airs but not very far.  If the 58003d can’t overclock, it seems about right.  If you want it quieter you could go big air. For Another $10-$50. It’s gonna be a big girl though.  Best to have enough space in the case for it. Case looks thick enough but I didn’t check the numbers.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Bombastinator

[freeagent]

It has 5x 8mm pipes, better than 6x 6mm for sure 

[Edward686]

2 minutes ago, freeagent said:

It has 5x 8mm pipes, better than 6x 6mm for sure 

Wait does the frost commander come with thermal paste or no

[Bombastinator]

28 minutes ago, freeagent said:

It has 5x 8mm pipes, better than 6x 6mm for sure 

It’s a question of interior surface area. A pipe with a 6mm interior diameter will 3pi x 6, while an 8mm will have 4pi x 5. So ~57 vs ~63. So maybe.  Also maybe not.  There are 3 general ways of making the capillary transport system.  Scintered beads, metal mesh, and grooves.  Scintered metal is the most expensive and grooves are the cheapest.  Likewise scintered beads works the best and groove works the worst.  Also they’re is quality of the lining.  The groove can be shallow or deep and regular or irregular while the size of the bead used and surface quality of the metal they are made from can vary.  There are 6 pipe alibaba coolers that cool more poorly than some 2 pipe coolers because their pipes are narrow aluminum with badly made grooves whil the 2 pipe cooler has fatter copper pipes with a scintered liner. If the 6mm vs 8mm pipes are made of the same material and have the same lining the 5 will probably beat the 6.  It’s not a totally sure thing though.  They could for example be measuring external diameter at which point I haven’t a clue.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Bombastinator

[freeagent]

2 hours ago, Edward686 said:

Wait does the frost commander come with thermal paste or no

It should come with TF7..

[Bombastinator]

One other occurs to me 8mm pipes are bigger than 6mm pipes so parts of it are farther away from the IHS. It’s a complicated equation, and the way to cut the Gordian knot is to just measure them.  That’s what GN does.  They really liked the fuma2.  I don’t know if they’ve measured the thermaltake or not.

[Edward686]

5 minutes ago, freeagent said:

It should come with TF7..

Ok ty

[freeagent]

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

One other occurs to me 8mm pipes are bigger than 6mm pipes so parts of it are farther away from the IHS. It’s a complicated equation, and the way to cut the Gordian knot is to just measure them.  That’s what GN does.  They really liked the fuma2.  I don’t know if they’ve measured the thermaltake or not.

Well.. I have their Le Grand Macho RT, it has 7x 6mm pipes, I also have their True Spirit 140 Power, which has 6x 8mm pipes, but on AM4 with my 5600X, and 5900X FC140 is a solid 8-10c better at the minimum. They definately reworked their cold plate. I have the new Ultra 120 Extreme Rev B on my 5600X, it is a 6x 8mm cooler, and it does better than my older Thermalrights do.

 

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

 I don’t know if they’ve measured the thermaltake or not.

 

I would never buy anything from Thermaltake

 

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On old school Intel though, my old coolers kick ass.

[Bombastinator]

36 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Well.. I have their Le Grand Macho RT, it has 7x 6mm pipes, I also have their True Spirit 140 Power, which has 6x 8mm pipes, but on AM4 with my 5600X, and 5900X FC140 is a solid 8-10c better at the minimum. They definately reworked their cold plate. I have the new Ultra 120 Extreme Rev B on my 5600X, it is a 6x 8mm cooler, and it does better than my older Thermalrights do.

 

 

I would never buy anything from Thermaltake

 

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On old school Intel though, my old coolers kick ass.

A macho.  That’s an interesting cooler too.  In the  big air catagory as well.  Not cheap though.  It’s specialty is passive cooling.  Apparently it will do a 65w chip with no fans at all.  It’s not cheap either though.  Last I saw it was $130.  The big difference in cost with big air coolers seems to be whether they are in vogue atm or not and the vogue tax seems to be about $40 for big air.  I’d say go by weight, but people would probably just start attaching cheap pot metal weights to them. 

[Bombastinator]

I’m probably confusing thermalright and thermaltake.  The names are too similar.