Ryzen 5800X

[Edward686]

Is it worth it to buy the ryzen 5800X right now for $244, or would it be more worth it to wait for november?

[Shimejii]

For what usecase? Gaming? 7600x is gonna be 300$ minimum. 244 for a 5800x is fine, performs well and you dont need the latest and greatest to enjoy it

[Somerandomtechyboi]

11 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

For what usecase? Gaming? 7600x is gonna be 300$ minimum. 244 for a 5800x is fine, performs well and you dont need the latest and greatest to enjoy it

Add ontop of that no cheap used boards and terrible still not mature ddr5 thatll get outdated in a few years not to mention ddr5 price

[An0maly_76]

Fact of the matter is, while AM5 is just around the corner, it carries hidden costs. It requires more expensive PCIe4 M.2 storage and DDR5 RAM that are both overkill for the times and terrible bang for the buck. Not to mention the first year or two of anything always has a few kinks. Matter of fact, I've heard quite a bit about the reason AMD blew their first release date -- BIOS and possibly compatibility issues started cropping up in the home stretch that had to be dealt with.

 

@Somerandomtechyboistates quite often that speedy RAM is a sham, and they're right. DDR4 is just fine, and anything over 3200 is overkill and terrible bang-for-the-buck. Additionally, I find it hilarious that all the very same people who said the 5800X / 5900X / 5950X were overkill are now urging people to wait for AM5. Seriously? Make up your minds, folks.

 

That said, my 5900X runs auto PBO settings with an OC RTX3060ti, WD Blue SN570 PCIe3 M.2 and DDR4-3200 (QVL'd, of course, some boards are really picky about RAM), and it screams. More importantly, it is smooth and stable. Seeing as I have yet to see over 3% CPU utilization, I think a 5800X with a 3070 or 3080 would be a solid configuration for years to come. My build (below) can be done for around $2100 these days and I feel it's the best bang for the buck if you're a set-it-and-forget-it kind of person. Major disassembly for board RMA prior to discovering RAM-related stability issues prompted me to switch cases, and I can't say enough about the merits of the Fractal Pop Air / XL Air.

 

For OP's purposes, you could probably drop to a 5800X and upgrade to a 3090 / 3080ti and keep it under $2600. Be aware that the list has two RAM kits, both are QVL'd for the board, the Viper 4 Blackout labeled "CUSTOM" is what I actually used, the Viper Steel just has a different heat spreader and is easier to find. I swapped the stock fans for the Corsair setup because I wanted six fans. These cases include only three or four fans, and they aren't widely available separately for a couple months yet. OP, if you buy one of these cases and need more fans, make me an offer over shipping, I still have the four from my case.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/An0maly1976/saved/#view=9s2npg

Edited September 5, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised, more info

[Somerandomtechyboi]

14 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

It requires more expensive PCIe4 M.2 storage

I dont think thats a requirement, would be completely retarded to force consumers to pay more for useless garbage they dont need ontop of slow asf first gen ddr5 thatll get outdated in a few years due to 7200 being the standard later on

 

17 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

DDR4 is just fine, and anything over 3200 is overkill and terrible bang-for-the-buck

3200 cl16 and 3600 cl18 are best bang for buck atleast for normies

 

technically its those bare pcb samsungs with 8gbit d die or those crucial micron sticks with 8gbit rev e c9bjz that have the best value due to high clock capability (4600+) and easy lazy oc to 3600 cl18 for sometimes <20$ (here in indo theyre now going for 17$) but this is mostly reserved for the ppl that know ram oc or the ppl that arent too god damn lazy to manually set timings (i mean that ram oc tool by 1usmus is a good start for lazy oc alongside stealing profiles off the internet)

 

The other bins are either for overclockers (3200-4000 cl14, 4400 19-19-19, 4000-5333 not straight primaries aka hynix djr/micron rev e/b) or idiots that have absolutely no idea about rams tricked into paying more when they can literally just oc 3600 cl18 for the same thing (3600 garbage cl16 16-18-18/19/19) though trfc and sr dr dd subtimings are more important anyways, def not advisable to crank tons of volt just to get 1 tick lower cl (sidenote ram safe volt varies not fixed, some are 1.4-1.5v, some dont even have safe volt aka no volt degradation and limited by imc potential degradation at ~1.7v)

[An0maly_76]

23 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

I dont think thats a requirement, would be completely retarded to force consumers to pay more for useless garbage they dont need

I agree about being unncessary, but which don't you think is a requirement? The PCIe4 storage? I've heard that several times. According to this article  and this article, high-end boards will enforce PCIe5, while lower-tier boards will 'settle' for PCIe4, at least it reads that way.

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[Somerandomtechyboi]

6 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

I agree about being unncessary, but which don't you think is a requirement? The PCIe4 storage? I've heard that several times. According to this,

high-end boards will enforce PCIe5, while lower-tier boards will 'settle' for PCIe4, at least it reads that way.

No it means lower end boards will have pcie 5.0 storage but pcie 4.0 everything else, that doesnt mean you cant use a gen3 on a gen4 or 5 slot

[An0maly_76]

1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

No it means lower end boards will have pcie 5.0 storage but pcie 4.0 everything else, that doesnt mean you cant use a gen3 on a gen4 or 5 slot

So you're saying backward compatibility still applies? I'm not interested in AM5 in the least, but I love how these jackass so-called journalists try to trick us with wordplay like 'enforce' to suggest that it won't work with anything else.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

4 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

So you're saying backward compatibility still applies? I'm not interested in AM5 in the least, but I love how these jackass so-called journalists try to trick us with wordplay like 'enforce' to suggest that it won't work with anything else.

Eh seems like bad wording

Yes backwards compatibility will still apply for all generations and itll apply for pretty much forever or atleast till pcie gets superceeded if it ever even does get superceeded

[freeagent]

Honestly, the horsepower available to AM4 is retarded. 5900X? For someone just playing games, clicking on forums, the odd video work here and there, it is way overkill for the average user. Benchmarks and stuff is something else though, it is a beast. And if you tune it, its a fire breathing beast. If someone says it runs cool under load, its because its either neutered by limits, or they are cooling it with enthusiasm :D

[An0maly_76]

4 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Honestly, the horsepower available to AM4 is retarded. 5900X? For someone just playing games, clicking on forums, the odd video work here and there, it is way overkill for the average user. Benchmarks and stuff is something else though, it is a beast. And if you tune it, its a fire breathing beast. If someone says it runs cool under load, its because its either neutered by limits, or they are cooling it with enthusiasm :D

Though it does come in handy for ripping movies and such while you're gaming... 

[freeagent]

I am about to buy 4x8 of 3600C14 for 95 a pair, not sure about the QVL as they are new.. it should be ok since it is B-Die.

 

I would buy 2x16 but its a bit more than a hundred bucks extra. Those two pairs are cheaper than I paid for my 2x8 3200C14 Royals.

 

Dam good deal.