CPU/GPU Future-proofness

[Matt Norman]

Looking for a CPU/GPU combo that gives a good gaming experience for the next 5ish years.

To me, a good gaming experience is min avg 60fps-ish on high/ultra at 2k on most AAA titles. I am not interested in RTX, 4k or high FPS cost things like that as I am only a casual gamer. 

I think a GPU/CPU update cycle every 5 years is the sweet spot. I don't want to pay for any more performance than I need or less in that I drop below the aove reqs with in 5 years, if possible.

Watching videos on the Ryzen 7 5800X with RTX 3060, it meets the above requirements for current titles but what about in 5 years time?

 

Many thanks

 

[Ryuikko]

What's your current build, budget, country, and uses?

[RadiatingLight]

If you're buying something today, I'd go with Intel 12600K(F) and RTX 3060Ti

You can also consider some AMD GPUs that are generally cheaper for the same level of performance like the 6700XT (but AMD GPUs are missing some features like DLSS, and are worse at raytracing)

 

Nobody knows what will happen in 5 years, so nobody can say. It'll still be a pretty powerful rig, but nobody can guarantee you'll be able to run everything on high/ultra.

 

You might want to consider waiting a few months for RTX 4000 series and Ryzen 7000 series.

[Mayday793]

I'm playing halo infinite on an intel i5 8600k and gtx 1070 at 1080p at around 90 fps. At 2k i'd expect this to be like 30-50fps. I bring this up because this is an about 5 year old build.
My plan is similar to yours and at the end of the year when (hopefully) the new intel and nvidia parts come out, ill get an i5 13400f and a rtx 4070. If i make the assumption that this new hardware will last another five years with similar performance on the same settings except now at 2k instead of 1080 (which i think is a reasonable assumption) this hardware will handle 2k at 90 fps for years to come, though i'm just purely guessing that the performance of these parts.

Doing a similar build with the currently available hardware (12400f and rtx 3070) will get similar results. My gtx is hitting 100% usage 6 years its release and i'm still getting 90fps so i think we can expect something similar from the 4000 series...though this is all without considering RTX ON which is something I cant enable that drops fps drastically on new cards.

[Matt Norman]

1 minute ago, Ryuikko said:

What's your current build, budget, country, and uses?

Based in UK. Current PC is a Razer Blade 15 Base (2018). Fed up with poor thermals so got an ultralight laptop (XPS 13 9315) for work and now want a desktop for gaming and workstation.

Budget is not really an issue but, as I work a lot with charities and the less fortunate, I have a philosophy where I really don't like wasting money on things that are not necessary, hence I want the sweet spot fpr a good gaming experience and nothing more.

 

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[Matt Norman]

6 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

If you're buying something today, I'd go with Intel 12600K(F) and RTX 3060Ti

 

Nobody knows what will happen in 5 years, so nobody can say. It'll still be a pretty powerful rig, but nobody can guarantee you'll be able to run everything on high/ultra.

 

You might want to consider waiting a few months for RTX 4000 series and Ryzen 7000 series.

Any reason for Intel over AMD?  

 

Yeah, I get its hard to predict, but I wanna try get as close as I can. Thanks for recommendation.

[Matt Norman]

6 minutes ago, Mayday793 said:

I'm playing halo infinite on an intel i5 8600k and gtx 1070 at 1080p at around 90 fps. At 2k i'd expect this to be like 30-50fps. I bring this up because this is an about 5 year old build.
My plan is similar to yours and at the end of the year when (hopefully) the new intel and nvidia parts come out, ill get an i5 13400f and a rtx 4070. If i make the assumption that this new hardware will last another five years with similar performance on the same settings except now at 2k instead of 1080 (which i think is a reasonable assumption) this hardware will handle 2k at 90 fps for years to come, though i'm just purely guessing that the performance of these parts.

Doing a similar build with the currently available hardware (12400f and rtx 3070) will get similar results. My gtx is hitting 100% usage 6 years its release and i'm still getting 90fps so i think we can expect something similar from the 4000 series...though this is all without considering RTX ON which is something I cant enable that drops fps drastically on new cards.

Good to know, may be best to wait to see what next gen looks like. Also need to consider things like DDR5 when futureproofing now I guess

[Mayday793]

Just now, Matt Norman said:

consider things like DDR5

I'm struggling with this choice as well but ill probably end up with ddr4. In lots of Linus' videos he's pointed out how the difference between ddr4 and ddr5 right now isnt great and it probably wont make a big different for another year or two(1.5). You also gotta consider that to use ddr5 you have to get the x600 series motherboards since the b600 series motherboards are mostly all supporting ddr4 (i dont think this is a strict rule but i havent found any b600 series with ddr5). So the x series are another 100-200$, which just affords you the opprotunity to spend another 100$ on ddr5 compared to ddr4 for like...maybe tops 15% performance boost(speculation here)? If money is at all an concern which i believe it is for you since you dont wanna over pay, i'd just go with the ddr4, itll be good for 5 years.  

[Matt Norman]

1 minute ago, Mayday793 said:

I'm struggling with this choice as well but ill probably end up with ddr4. In lots of Linus' videos he's pointed out how the difference between ddr4 and ddr5 right now isnt great and it probably wont make a big different for another year or two(1.5). You also gotta consider that to use ddr5 you have to get the x600 series motherboards since the b600 series motherboards are mostly all supporting ddr4 (i dont think this is a strict rule but i havent found any b600 series with ddr5). So the x series are another 100-200$, which just affords you the opprotunity to spend another 100$ on ddr5 compared to ddr4 for like...maybe tops 15% performance boost(speculation here)? If money is at all an concern which i believe it is for you since you dont wanna over pay, i'd just go with the ddr4, itll be good for 5 years.  

Yeah, but, as I dont have a motherboard at the moment, if i were to go with DDR4 I'd then need to buy a new one in 5 years time + RAM. Saying that, I'd then be paying the premium for the new tech if I were to buy it now. Hard decision!! Tempted to go with DDR4 if it saves a few hundred. In 5 years time, hopefully DDR5 mobos would have dropped in price as they'd be the norm. Not decided yet though.   

[ExalyThor]

I would go with an i5 12400f and an rx 6700xt. Make sure to get that sexy B660M Mortar Max Wifi from MSI. You can overclock the i5 on it, best price/performance and features board iirc.

[ExalyThor]

(I quoted myself instead of editing my previous post ignore this)

[Matt Norman]

Just now, ExalyThor said:

I would go with an i5 12400f and an rx 6700xt. Make sure to get that sexy B660M Mortar Max Wifi from MSI. You can overclock the i5 on it, best price/performance iirc.

As a Star Citizen player, I dont think i5's are an option as the game is so CPU intensive.

[Mayday793]

3 minutes ago, ExalyThor said:

B660M Mortar Max Wifi from MSI. You can overclock the i5 on it

Unless i'm missing something about this specific board being able to. I'm 95% sure all B series motherboards dont support CPU overclocking. You need an Xseries motherboard for that.

[ExalyThor]

Just now, Mayday793 said:

Unless i'm missing something about this specific board being able to. I'm 95% sure all B series motherboards dont support CPU overclocking. You need an Xseries motherboard for that.

Some boards have external clock generators which enable you to change the base clock of CPUs.

[Mayday793]

7 minutes ago, ExalyThor said:

Some boards have external clock generators which enable you to change the base clock of CPUs.

Wow thats wild, i just found an article on it. Interesting option to get into overclocking without breaking the bank.

[Matt Norman]

10 minutes ago, ExalyThor said:

Some boards have external clock generators which enable you to change the base clock of CPUs.

This is good to know!! Thanks.

[RadiatingLight]

33 minutes ago, Matt Norman said:

Any reason for Intel over AMD?  

 

Yeah, I get its hard to predict, but I wanna try get as close as I can. Thanks for recommendation.

Right now, Intel has better processors at better prices. Simple as that.

The 5800X3D is the only AMD CPU that's as good at gaming as Intel's 12th Gen, and it's far more expensive.

the 12600K(F) is a great balance between gaming performance and having lots of cores and it's one of the best value CPUs right now.

 

This might change as Ryzen 7000 comes out (either with Ryzen 5000 dropping in price, or Ryzen 7000 being competitively priced and/or better than intel 12th Gen)

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 hours ago, Matt Norman said:

I have a philosophy where I really don't like wasting money on things that are not necessary, hence I want the sweet spot fpr a good gaming experience and nothing more

I see that you are a man of culture

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ptbWBj

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If you dont need the extra i/o the z690 ud can be swapped for a b660 ds3h

 

If you dont think youll need a 1000w psu for futureproofing then theres a txm 850w gold at 85£

 

Unsure if you need 64gb or not but if you dont actually need 64gb then just find the cheapest 32gb (3200 cl16/3600 cl18) kit available

[venomtail]

4 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

but AMD GPUs are missing some features like DLSS

Not really missing DLSS since they have their own version that they've even made open source.

Good Guy AMD

[venomtail]

As of today I'd go with something like a 12600KF and an RX6750XT.

 

CPU has enough cores to be "future-proof" when future games will be properly optimized for multi core use since single core speeds aren't really improving whilst still being plenty fast to get you the most FPS in games that still need fast single core performance.

And 6750XT is extremely good value for money. With FSR your card will remain relevant for far longer and since AMD made their FSR open source, I'd be surprised if in a year or two every game doesn't have FSR in some way, official or a simple modded folder drop into the game files.