Build reccomendations? Suggestions? Appraisals? Upgrading from countless old hp laptops, think pads, and dell laptops to my dream gaming computer :D

[Quaz823]

Budget: $1,800 (May be able to stretch budget in certain cases)

Country: United States

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: I want it to be good for everything, primarily reaching for a powerful gaming machine but I want it to be able to support all other high demanding tasks cause I'm planning to do a ton of stuff in my life with this thing. Basically jack of all trades, specializing in gaming.

Other details:  I want a minimum of 144 fps and preferably 240 fps in most fps games at about medium graphics settings. And I want it to put the craziest facial expression ever of excitement on me when I get it and finally get to upgrade from old hp laptop. I'm planning to have all the parts before the first week of August this year. This is also my first PC build but after seeing that uh designer I think, in a video titled something along the lines of maybe you shouldn't build your own PC. If she can build a pc I'm 1000% sure I can build one, so I wanna try it. Now I'm gonna go binge watch ltt so I don't break computer when I get the parts.

 

Here's my part list, I just want any information you can give, whether it's a "nice build" or "that part is kinda garbage" or a bad review/warning, I want it all, thanks!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3ncjJM

 

[PDifolco]

Could use some changes ;

 

• 12600K is better at everything than 5800X
• Cheaper SSD
• A non SF and more powerful PSU
• A 5000D is BIIIG and you won't have that much stuff inside, I suggest a smaller 4000 case

Re monitor you're sure you don't want a 1440p one ?

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QGyw78

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($249.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($154.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($82.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($599.99) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Corsair) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.99 @ Corsair) 
Monitor: Alienware AW2720HF 27.0" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor  ($269.99 @ GameStop) 
Total: $1727.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-07 09:37 EDT-0400

 

[Quaz823]

1 minute ago, PDifolco said:

Could use some changes ;

 

• 12600K is better at everything than 5800X
• Cheaper SSD
• A non SF and more powerful PSU
• A 5000D is BIIIG and you won't have that much stuff inside, I suggest a smaller 4000 case

Re monitor you're sure you don't want a 1440p one ?

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QGyw78

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($249.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($154.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN570 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($82.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($599.99) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Corsair) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.99 @ Corsair) 
Monitor: Alienware AW2720HF 27.0" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor  ($269.99 @ GameStop) 
Total: $1727.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-07 09:37 EDT-0400

 

I've heard that Intel is worse than AMD for gaming so that's why I initially went with AMD, and if it really is, I think I'd prefer to keep AMD processor for future upgrade to a ryzen 9 some day, unless you believe Intel is better.

 

I really only want fps on this monitor and well this is the best for the price, 1440p would be way better but for now I'm not really being too picky due to already spending way more than I have (literally cause someone else is getting it for me because I'll help them with something in return) and I'll consider the power supply change after I go google what SF means, and I get that the SSD is cheaper, but I want a fast and reliable SSD rather than just cheap. Also thank you for telling me the 5000 is massive. Honestly I want the easiest case to build in, I practiced building by taking apart and putting back together an old piece of junk, and well i don't trust myself with the motherboard too much in a small case, also it means I can be 100% sure a massive gpu or cooler would fit with no issues. Unless there's a possibility it could be so big my cooler doesn't reach the cpu, but if it's this big as you say I think I might go for a 3 fan cooler. I want to encounter the least amount of issues in future.

 

Also about the motherboard, I went with the b450 due to the modularity so I'm not sure if the z690 will do but I'll take a look at it

 

thank you so much for the reply

[PDifolco]

48 minutes ago, Quaz823 said:

I've heard that Intel is worse than AMD for gaming so that's why I initially went with AMD, and if it really is, I think I'd prefer to keep AMD processor for future upgrade to a ryzen 9 some day, unless you believe Intel is better.

 

I really only want fps on this monitor and well this is the best for the price, 1440p would be way better but for now I'm not really being too picky due to already spending way more than I have (literally cause someone else is getting it for me because I'll help them with something in return) and I'll consider the power supply change after I go google what SF means, and I get that the SSD is cheaper, but I want a fast and reliable SSD rather than just cheap. Also thank you for telling me the 5000 is massive. Honestly I want the easiest case to build in, I practiced building by taking apart and putting back together an old piece of junk, and well i don't trust myself with the motherboard too much in a small case, also it means I can be 100% sure a massive gpu or cooler would fit with no issues. Unless there's a possibility it could be so big my cooler doesn't reach the cpu, but if it's this big as you say I think I might go for a 3 fan cooler. I want to encounter the least amount of issues in future.

 

Also about the motherboard, I went with the b450 due to the modularity so I'm not sure if the z690 will do but I'll take a look at it

 

thank you so much for the reply

 

You're wrong, since 12th Gen Intel,  AMD is worse at gaming, and AMD upgradibility will stop with AM5 platform

Re monitor I think you can get a nice 1440p 144 or 165Hz monitor for around £300 (Gigabyte G27 or M27) , the Alienware 27 is super pricey for a HD monitor because of its super high refresh rate

For the SSD your call, but most PCie3 drives are quite equivalent IRL, so price and capacity are imo the main concerns

SF PSU are "small form factor" for mini ITX cases, and shouldn't be used in other cases, because their small size make them less sturdy and reliable. And for your build 600W is not enough, and a SF PSU really risk tripping on GPU transient spikes (up to nearly 500W on a 3070), so really don't get that

[venomtail]

22 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

and AMD upgradibility will stop with AM5 platform

AM4 you mean? Have I missed some news somehow where AMD announced that they're axing AM5 before they've released it?

[venomtail]

1 hour ago, Quaz823 said:

I really only want fps on this monitor and well this is the best for the price

Unless you're only gonna play CSGO, Valorant, DOTA, L4D2 or some other 300fps+ running game, there's no point in investing in a monitor with anything more than 165hz. 

 

Many games still aren't optimized to run well at anything more than 140fps. All fps gains just stop. In fact many games run worse when they pass the 140fps barrier and start having far more, longer stutters and lags. Apex Legends is a good example. There was a reason why Titanfall too was capped at 140fps.

So for value, you'd get a far better deal with a 1440p 144hz monitor than a 1080p 240hz monitor because half the time you won't be using the refresh rate you paid for anyways. Trust me on this one.

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, venomtail said:

AM4 you mean? Have I missed some news somehow where AMD announced that they're axing AM5 before they've released it?

Yeah I mean buying now AMD on AM4 will let you with no upgrade path as they'll switch to AM5 in a quarter or so

[IkeaGnome]

6 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Yeah I mean buying now AMD on AM4 will let you with no upgrade path as they'll switch to AM5 in a quarter or so

https://wccftech.com/amd-am4-platform-to-remain-supported-for-much-longer-software-support-new-hardware-hinted/

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-its-am4-platform-will-continue-for-many-years-to-come

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/86367/amd-says-current-am4-platform-will-continue-for-many-years-to-come/index.html

Quote

The new AM5 socket will debut later this year with the Zen 4-powered Ryzen 7000 series CPUs, but AMD confirmed that AM4 isn't going anywhere. AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su confirmed that AMD will have support for the current-gen AM4 platform for the foreseeable future.

Lisa said that "AM4 is a great platform that will continue for many years to come", with AMD proud that the AM4 socket has been 1 socket over 5 years and "going strong". Bloody oath it is, with the AM4 socket tapping out at a rather huge 16 cores and 32 threads. There's 5 CPU architectures on AM4, 4 process nodes used, over 125 processors, and over 500 motherboards. Quite impressive there, AMD, especially if you compare this to 7-10 years ago.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/86367/amd-says-current-am4-platform-will-continue-for-many-years-to-come/index.html

You sure?

[Quaz823]

2 hours ago, venomtail said:

Unless you're only gonna play CSGO, Valorant, DOTA, L4D2 or some other 300fps+ running game, there's no point in investing in a monitor with anything more than 165hz. 

 

Many games still aren't optimized to run well at anything more than 140fps. All fps gains just stop. In fact many games run worse when they pass the 140fps barrier and start having far more, longer stutters and lags. Apex Legends is a good example. There was a reason why Titanfall too was capped at 140fps.

So for value, you'd get a far better deal with a 1440p 144hz monitor than a 1080p 240hz monitor because half the time you won't be using the refresh rate you paid for anyways. Trust me on this one.

Well I actually do play valorant, but thank you for telling me, I won't try to go any higher than 240.

[Quaz823]

3 hours ago, PDifolco said:

 

You're wrong, since 12th Gen Intel,  AMD is worse at gaming, and AMD upgradibility will stop with AM5 platform

Re monitor I think you can get a nice 1440p 144 or 165Hz monitor for around £300 (Gigabyte G27 or M27) , the Alienware 27 is super pricey for a HD monitor because of its super high refresh rate

For the SSD your call, but most PCie3 drives are quite equivalent IRL, so price and capacity are imo the main concerns

SF PSU are "small form factor" for mini ITX cases, and shouldn't be used in other cases, because their small size make them less sturdy and reliable. And for your build 600W is not enough, and a SF PSU really risk tripping on GPU transient spikes (up to nearly 500W on a 3070), so really don't get that

Well then that's really convincing. But do you know a way I can reliably check the speed of Intel processors?

[PDifolco]

3 hours ago, venomtail said:

AM4 you mean? Have I missed some news somehow where AMD announced that they're axing AM5 before they've released it?

Read it, but it's prettty vague ...

I highly doubt that the high end 7000s (LGA)  will ever be AM4 (PGA) compatible ! So maybe we'll have an AM4 Zen3 7400G or such, but that won't be an upgrade for a 5800 or better...

[PDifolco]

45 minutes ago, Quaz823 said:

Well then that's really convincing. But do you know a way I can reliably check the speed of Intel processors?

Any review or benchmark confirm it ...