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I have an Asus Tuf B450 PLUS Gaming mobo with a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU.  I'm thinking of upgrading to a Ryzen 9 5900X (Vermeer), not sure if Vermeer means anything?  It's in the Asus compatibility list for my board so assuming it will be OK.  I have a few questions.

  • Will I notice a difference?  System has an nvme drive and 32gb ddr 4 memory, used for office work, netflix etc. and some gaming.  I suppose I'm asking is it worth the cash.  CPU is abour £350 or $430 but I can wait to see if it comes down.
  • If I go for it do I need a bios upgrade?
  • If so, before or after install?
  • Would I need a different cooler? Not sure what is there currently.
  • This is a B mobo so I think it's mid-range, would I be better looking at an X?

Thanks in advance.

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Why does the thread title say i9 when this is all about AMD hardware?

 

Vermeer is the codename for the Zen 3 microarchitecture (Ryzen 5xxx series). 

 

7 minutes ago, tmarsh12345 said:
  • Will I notice a difference? 

Yes, but you also probably would with a 5600. Whether you would notice a difference between a 5600 and a 5900X for your tasks... eh.

 

7 minutes ago, tmarsh12345 said:
  • If I go for it do I need a bios upgrade?

 

Yes.

 

7 minutes ago, tmarsh12345 said:
  • If so, before or after install?

Before.

 

7 minutes ago, tmarsh12345 said:
  • Would I need a different cooler? Not sure what is there currently.

 

If you're using the stock AMD Wraith Stealth cooler, then yes. 

 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

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Will you notice a difference?  Maybe.

 

(Vermeer is the series of CPU / the Code Name for it from Development.)

 

Depends on what's running.  Netflix?  HAH, no.  Gaming?  Maybe? Office work - depends on what's running.

 

BIOS Update:  Probably yes, and before you install a new CPU

 

New Cooler?  Depends on what your cooler is.  

 

B450 is fine for a 5900X

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8 minutes ago, tmarsh12345 said:

I have an Asus Tuf B450 PLUS Gaming mobo with a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU.  I'm thinking of upgrading to a Ryzen 9 5900X (Vermeer), not sure if Vermeer means anything?  It's in the Asus compatibility list for my board so assuming it will be OK.  I have a few questions.

  • Will I notice a difference?  System has an nvme drive and 32gb ddr 4 memory, used for office work, netflix etc. and some gaming.  I suppose I'm asking is it worth the cash.  CPU is abour £350 or $430 but I can wait to see if it comes down.
  • If I go for it do I need a bios upgrade?
  • If so, before or after install?
  • Would I need a different cooler? Not sure what is there currently.
  • This is a B mobo so I think it's mid-range, would I be better looking at an X?

Thanks in advance.

better look at 12700k its better then 5950x

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1 minute ago, bal723 said:

better look at 12700k its better then 5950x

 

It is, but he would also need to buy a new board for it, and not a cheap one either. 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

Ryzen 7 5800X3D | ASRock X570 PG Velocita | PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix 3600mt/s CL16

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Just now, Middcore said:

 

It is, but he would also need to buy a new board for it, and not a cheap one either.

 he can toss it into b660m ones

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1 minute ago, bal723 said:

 he can toss it into b660m ones

 

Not a great idea in the case of a lot of those boards. 

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

Ryzen 7 5800X3D | ASRock X570 PG Velocita | PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix 3600mt/s CL16

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12 minutes ago, bal723 said:

 he can toss it into b660m ones

most of them wont handle it well, some do, but they are more expensive, and also 12700k is not 200dollars worth better than 5950x, 

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36 minutes ago, bal723 said:

better look at 12700k its better then 5950x

I am looking at the 5900X, the 5950X is way more expensive, currently £506 or $655

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1 hour ago, tmarsh12345 said:

I have an Asus Tuf B450 PLUS Gaming mobo with a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU.  I'm thinking of upgrading to a Ryzen 9 5900X (Vermeer), not sure if Vermeer means anything?  It's in the Asus compatibility list for my board so assuming it will be OK.  I have a few questions.

  • Will I notice a difference?  System has an nvme drive and 32gb ddr 4 memory, used for office work, netflix etc. and some gaming.  I suppose I'm asking is it worth the cash.  CPU is abour £350 or $430 but I can wait to see if it comes down.
  • If I go for it do I need a bios upgrade?
  • If so, before or after install?
  • Would I need a different cooler? Not sure what is there currently.
  • This is a B mobo so I think it's mid-range, would I be better looking at an X?

Thanks in advance.

get the Ryzen 7 5800X3D

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Thanks for all the replies, it's been really helpful.  Just two more questions

  • After I update to the new bios I'm assuming I will have to re-boot for it to take effect?  Do I then shut down and install the new CPU?  I suppose what I'm asking is will the new bios still operate the PC with the old CPU?
  • Currently I get the BIOS from the Asus site, I access it by putting my model no in.  How would I know where to get the new BIOS?
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36 minutes ago, tmarsh12345 said:

 

  • Currently I get the BIOS from the Asus site, I access it by putting my model no in.  How would I know where to get the new BIOS?

The exact same place? The Asus product page for your board has every BIOS revision for it ever released.

Corps aren't your friends. "Bottleneck calculators" are BS. Only suckers buy based on brand. It's your PC, do what makes you happy.  If your build meets your needs, you don't need anyone else to "rate" it for you. And talking about being part of a "master race" is cringe. Watch this space for further truths people need to hear.

 

Ryzen 7 5800X3D | ASRock X570 PG Velocita | PowerColor Red Devil RX 6900 XT | 4x8GB Crucial Ballistix 3600mt/s CL16

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1 hour ago, tmarsh12345 said:

Thanks for all the replies, it's been really helpful.  Just two more questions

  • After I update to the new bios I'm assuming I will have to re-boot for it to take effect?  Do I then shut down and install the new CPU?  I suppose what I'm asking is will the new bios still operate the PC with the old CPU?
  • Currently I get the BIOS from the Asus site, I access it by putting my model no in.  How would I know where to get the new BIOS?

If you've updated your BIOS in the past year, check your version vs the website, it'll tell you if that version supports the 5000X series.  It probably will.  

(The 3000 and 5000 chips should be supported on the same BIOS versions.  The 2000 and older may not be anymore.)

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Thanks again.  Current BIOS is 3802 @ 2022/05/12.  It says under compatibility "Validated since BIOS 2409" which is an older version so I guess the 3802 is all I need?  I should be able to slot the CPU in without updating?

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