Picking CPU and need advice.

[niallnarine]

Hey! So basically… my setup rn is

R5 2600

6600xt

A320M HDV 4.0

2x8GB ram

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and obviously my cpu can’t keep up..and I wanted help deciding on one..I was thinking the 5600g cause the price is pretty good at 150 usd and then there’s the 5600x for 200 and I can’t decide. I wanted you alls advice on which would be good enough for my build etc..and I know my motherboard isn’t ideal either, but I updated bios and would rather get a new chip first vs a mobo first. Anyone got this gpu and cpu matchup and changed? And is the upgrade worth it?

 

[RONOTHAN##]

The 5600G only really makes sense if you really need the iGPU. Otherwise the 5600 non-X is quite a lot faster for $30 more, and the 5500 is the same speed for $30 less. My personal pick would be the 5600 non-X (or X, depending on which is cheaper) since it really is quite a bit faster and doesn't really cost that much more. 

 

Also I'd just keep the motherboard until it dies. 

[GreatnessRD]

I'd say a 5600 or 5600X would be ideal for you and your 6600 XT.

[An0maly_76]

The 5600G is equivalent to a 3600 and its iGPU is equivalent to a GT1030, maybe a little faster, according to other members here. I think you'd do better with a 5600X and keep your 6600XT. But you might want to upgrade your board too. B550 is a lot better than an A320, and also, the Zen3s need better VRM cooling (I used the Asus Tuf Gaming B550 PLUS in my 5900X build). Also, while Ryzens like faster RAM and lots of it, anything over 3200 just isn't cost-effective. I have 2x16 CL16 Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3200 kits in both my 1700 and 5900X. If you can't swing board, RAM and CPU, I'd do the board and RAM first, then get the 5600X later. A B550 should run your 2600 just fine until you can afford a 5600X.

 

I know it sounds funny that I'd recommend the 5600X over the 5900X, but it's better bang for the buck for the average person, I think. The 5900X is sort of overkill for gaming, and gaming performance isn't that much different. My reasons for buying one were more influenced by Samuel Jackson of Pulp Fiction fame... "Show lag again! SHOW... LAG... AGAIN! I DARE YOU! I *DOUBLE*-DARE YOU, ***********! SHOW LAG ONE MORE ********** TIME!"

 

Sometimes you just get to that point where you're just not playing anymore, you know?

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[aisle9]

If you have a GPU already and aren't planning on dumping it, don't bother with the 5600G. The cache is severely cut down to facilitate the iGPU, and if you don't need that iGPU, you're better off with the cache. If cost is a concern, the 5600 is very, very close (almost indistinguishable) to the 5600X, but costs significantly less.

[An0maly_76]

3 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

If you have a GPU already and aren't planning on dumping it, don't bother with the 5600G. The cache is severely cut down to facilitate the iGPU, and if you don't need that iGPU, you're better off with the cache. If cost is a concern, the 5600 is very, very close (almost indistinguishable) to the 5600X, but costs significantly less.

True, ableit foregoing this also foregoes the use of PBO... Which makes the 5600X shine even brighter.

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[niallnarine]

12 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

The 5600G is equivalent to a 3600 and its iGPU is equivalent to a GT1030, maybe a little faster, according to other members here. I think you'd do better with a 5600X and keep your 6600XT. But you might want to upgrade your board too. B550 is a lot better than an A320, and also, the Zen3s need better VRM cooling (I used the Asus Tuf Gaming B550 PLUS in my 5900X build). Also, while Ryzens like faster RAM and lots of it, anything over 3200 just isn't cost-effective. I have 2x16 CL16 Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3200 kits in both my 1700 and 5900X. If you can't swing board, RAM and CPU, I'd do the board and RAM first, then get the 5600X later. A B550 should run your 2600 just fine until you can afford a 5600X.

 

I know it sounds funny that I'd recommend the 5600X over the 5900X, but it's better bang for the buck for the average person, I think. The 5900X is sort of overkill for gaming, and gaming performance isn't that much different. My reasons for buying one were more influenced by Samuel Jackson of Pulp Fiction fame... "Show lag again! SHOW... LAG... AGAIN! I DARE YOU! I *DOUBLE*-DARE YOU, ***********! SHOW LAG ONE MORE ********** TIME!"

 

Sometimes you just get to that point where you're just not playing anymore, you know?

Thank you for this reply! I totally get you..I would’ve just gotten the 2 if I had the funds. I just wanted to make sure the upgrade is worth. 

[niallnarine]

16 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The 5600G only really makes sense if you really need the iGPU. Otherwise the 5600 non-X is quite a lot faster for $30 more, and the 5500 is the same speed for $30 less. My personal pick would be the 5600 non-X (or X, depending on which is cheaper) since it really is quite a bit faster and doesn't really cost that much more. 

 

Also I'd just keep the motherboard until it dies. 

Yea.. I’m getting the 5600x for 199 and the 5600 for 185…so I’m thinking to just get the 5600x and run that

[An0maly_76]

6 minutes ago, niallnarine said:

Thank you for this reply! I totally get you..I would’ve just gotten the 2 if I had the funds. I just wanted to make sure the upgrade is worth. 

Oh, it's worth it -- BELIEVE me, it's worth it. Case in point...

 

My previous rig was an R7-1700 that came with a GT1030, a 2TB HDD and 8GB of slow cheeseball G.Skill RAM (it was likely 2333 Mhz, I don't remember).

 

Anyway, a WD Blue SN550 M.2, 32GB of Crucial Balllistix DDR4-3200, and a GTX1650 Super was like trading a Honda Civic in on a Dodge Charger Hellcat. Which, incidentally, I would highly recommend an M.2 should you upgrade your board, it will greatly speed up load times, which can possibly help performance on games that read data from the source drive more often.

 

And when I went from that to the 5900X with an SN570 WD Blue, RTX3060ti and the same 32GB Crucial Ballistix kit -- it was like Will Smith in Independence Day at the controls of the spaceship --- "I have GOT to get me one of THESE!"

 

BTW, OP, a forenote about using PBO with a 5600X, -- A stock AMD Wraith cooler will work with a 5600X, but its limited cooling will limit the chip's performance as well. I would recommend a tower air cooler such as the Scythe Mugen series (I have a 5 Black Edition, the 5S is even better in some ways, and cheaper). Also. if you go this route, you might want to divulge your case model -- ventilation is key for cooing any Zen3 Ryzen.

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[RONOTHAN##]

5 minutes ago, niallnarine said:

Yea.. I’m getting the 5600x for 199 and the 5600 for 185…so I’m thinking to just get the 5600x and run that

I would go 5600, save the $15. It's the same performance. 

 

[An0maly_76]

8 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I would go 5600, save the $15. It's the same performance.

Wow. After seeing the difference with my 5900X on PBO, I'd have thought the 5600X would at least give some performance gain. That's crazy. Perhaps thermals are key? Most won't run a heavy-duty tower air cooler with the 5600X, being a 65W chip.

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[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 hour ago, niallnarine said:

2x8GB ram

Ram speed?

Lower than 3200 is not preffered due to low fclk speed and nuking performance but most ics overclock to 3200 cl16 just fine, even crappy 8gbit hynix mfr so no need to swap ram unless it cant do 3200, in that case buy the cheapest 3200 cl16 rams you can find (usually silicon power) for running stock or buy crucial ballistix 3200/ripjaws v 4000-4400 bin if you wish to run an overclock (4600+)

 

 

Board should be swapped, b450/x470 can go for <60$ used, but if you can its preffered to buy a used b550 instead

 

Pricegap between 5500 and 5600 atm is 50$ so 5500 is just better value when its that big of a price gap, youll be gpu bottlenecked anyways so unlikely to notice the diff between the 2

[niallnarine]

7 hours ago, An0maly_76 said:

Oh, it's worth it -- BELIEVE me, it's worth it. Case in point...

 

My previous rig was an R7-1700 that came with a GT1030, a 2TB HDD and 8GB of slow cheeseball G.Skill RAM (it was likely 2333 Mhz, I don't remember).

 

Anyway, a WD Blue SN550 M.2, 32GB of Crucial Balllistix DDR4-3200, and a GTX1650 Super was like trading a Honda Civic in on a Dodge Charger Hellcat. Which, incidentally, I would highly recommend an M.2 should you upgrade your board, it will greatly speed up load times, which can possibly help performance on games that read data from the source drive more often.

 

And when I went from that to the 5900X with an SN570 WD Blue, RTX3060ti and the same 32GB Crucial Ballistix kit -- it was like Will Smith in Independence Day at the controls of the spaceship --- "I have GOT to get me one of THESE!"

 

BTW, OP, a forenote about using PBO with a 5600X, -- A stock AMD Wraith cooler will work with a 5600X, but its limited cooling will limit the chip's performance as well. I would recommend a tower air cooler such as the Scythe Mugen series (I have a 5 Black Edition, the 5S is even better in some ways, and cheaper). Also. if you go this route, you might want to divulge your case model -- ventilation is key for cooing any Zen3 Ryzen

 

Hahahah that's definitely a great upgrade I went from a 950 to this 6600xt and I feel like I'm on god mode I got a good price so I took it....my friend told me give him my GPU and $150 and he gave me a new 6600xt so I was like WHY NOT. I didn't expect to get this amazing feedback. Thank you all so much..now I'm hyped

[niallnarine]

6 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Ram speed?

Lower than 3200 is not preffered due to low fclk speed and nuking performance but most ics overclock to 3200 cl16 just fine, even crappy 8gbit hynix mfr so no need to swap ram unless it cant do 3200, in that case buy the cheapest 3200 cl16 rams you can find (usually silicon power) for running stock or buy crucial ballistix 3200/ripjaws v 4000-4400 bin if you wish to run an overclock (4600+)

 

 

Board should be swapped, b450/x470 can go for <60$ used, but if you can its preffered to buy a used b550 instead

 

Pricegap between 5500 and 5600 atm is 50$ so 5500 is just better value when its that big of a price gap, youll be gpu bottlenecked anyways so unlikely to notice the diff between the 2

My ram speed is 2666mhz...I haven't upgraded it yet. I was thinking to get it after I upgrade the CPU. It's ballistic 2666mhz....and yes I saw the 5500 but not much or any reviews on them. I didn't know if the performance would be a major dip vs the 5600x...I just saw everyone pairing their 6600xt with a 5600x and said it's the perf CPU for it. And upgrading is expensive yk. So I wanna make sure whatever I'm getting is atleast a good upgrade in performance. I only play 1440p cause my tv is too big and looks crap at 1080p :')

[An0maly_76]

17 minutes ago, niallnarine said:

My ram speed is 2666mhz...I haven't upgraded it yet. I was thinking to get it after I upgrade the CPU. It's ballistic 2666mhz....

Which is why I recommend a B550 board and DDR4-3200 Crucial Ballistix CL16. Last person with this situation I recommended this to, you could get 32GB of the Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3200 and the Asus Tuf Gaming B550-PLUS I used in my 5900X build together for around $300, and 32GB of the 1333 they had would have cost almost $400. To me, that's a no-brainer. Even if you can't swing the 5600 or 5600X after that, you've still paved the way for it, as your current board is not likely to support DDR4-3200 or a Zen3.

 

The biggest thing is making sure that your CPU, GPU and RAM aren't tripping over each other to an extreme. The last thing you want to do is wind up with a CPU that can't keep up with your GPU, while your GPU is imitating Ludacris, saying, "MOOOVE, B****, GET OUT THE WAY... GET OUT THE WAY, B****, GET OUT THE WAY..." It's nearly impossible to perfectly predict bottleneck (or lack thereof), as this varies with resolution and other factors, but ideally, you want it less than 5%, and if it's more than that, you're better off to have the CPU less active than the GPU, as it leaves room for doing other things in the background.

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[An0maly_76]

7 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Also I'd just keep the motherboard until it dies. 

That depends. Not all A320s support Zen3. AFAIK, not many do. But regardless of Zen3 support, many don't support over 1333-2666 Mhz RAM, either. It'd be like fitting a 426 Hemi with 2-inch exhaust.

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[Somerandomtechyboi]

18 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

you could get 32GB of the Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3200 and the Asus Tuf Gaming B550-PLUS I used in my 5900X build together for around $300

32gb Ballistix is like 135$ so again pointless for non overclocked operation (atleast 4000 cl16 or pref 4600+ cl18) and you are better off with cheap 3200 cl16/3600 cl18 like tforce expert 3600 cl18 at ~95$ for a 32gb kit, fast ram is just for fun and maybe youll get at most ~10% extra performance with a heavy overclock (1.6v+) on an app that actually uses the ram, 3600 cl18 is already enough and thats why i dont reccomend stupid high speed ram unless its an apu build where ram go vroom vroom and you can run 5000mhz 1:1 sync with fclk, or said high speed ram is good value

 

Also do not pay over 150$ for some b550 unless were talking ones that offer tons of i/o like the aorus pro p (~130$), aorus pro ac (~160$), if its a more expensive board that does not match either in i/o then its overpriced trash and dont bother, 165$ for a basically b550a pro equivalent is just stupid, but <130$ then sure not a bad buy, also do not pay attention to vrm as most board that already have good i/o will also have sufficient vrm, the only reason to get an even higher end board than said aorus pro ac is for oc shenanigans and the good ones like b550 aorus master or unify x are 230$+, theres also content creator boards but at that price you may aswell just go intel and get yourself a z690 aero g ddr4

[niallnarine]

23 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

That depends. Not all A320s support Zen3. AFAIK, not many do. But regardless of Zen3 support, many don't support over 1333-2666 Mhz RAM, either. It'd be like fitting a 426 Hemi with 2-inch exhaust.

Yea I was thinking that. But I checked the ASRock site and got a bios update that supports the new 5000 series...and it says it supports up to 3200mhz ram...I'm thinking to get the CPU...then ram upgrade and then Mobo? Might as well use this Mobo till it gives up or till I get enough cash to swap it. My main thing was idk how good the performance increase will be in games @1440p. I play mainly triple A titles and dying light 2 etc...and sometimes I get heavy stuttering or I'm on the brink of 60 fps and it looks so nasty under 55-60

[niallnarine]

7 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

32gb Ballistix is like 135$ so again pointless for non overclocked operation (atleast 4000 cl16 or pref 4600+ cl18) and you are better off with cheap 3200 cl16/3600 cl18 like tforce expert 3600 cl18 at ~95$ for a 32gb kit, fast ram is just for fun and maybe youll get at most ~10% extra performance with a heavy overclock (1.6v+) on an app that actually uses the ram, 3600 cl18 is already enough and thats why i dont reccomend stupid high speed ram unless its an apu build where ram go vroom vroom and you can run 5000mhz 1:1 sync with fclk, or said high speed ram is good value

 

Also do not pay over 150$ for some b550 unless were talking ones that offer tons of i/o like the aorus pro p (~130$), aorus pro ac (~160$), if its a more expensive board that does not match either in i/o then its overpriced trash and dont bother, 165$ for a basically b550a pro equivalent is just stupid, but <130$ then sure not a bad buy, also do not pay attention to vrm as most board that already have good i/o will also have sufficient vrm, the only reason to get an even higher end board than said aorus pro ac is for oc shenanigans and the good ones like b550 aorus master or unify x are 230$+, theres also content creator boards but at that price you may aswell just go intel and get yourself a z690 aero g ddr4

Right...I get what youre saying. I saw a b550m aoros pro P for $130. I was thinking to get that...so here's the thing...since my Mobo rn supports everything..should I do CPU - ram - Mobo? Or a different order.

[An0maly_76]

5 minutes ago, niallnarine said:

Yea I was thinking that. But I checked the ASRock site and got a bios update that supports the new 5000 series...and it says it supports up to 3200mhz ram...I'm thinking to get the CPU...then ram upgrade and then Mobo? Might as well use this Mobo till it gives up or till I get enough cash to swap it. My main thing was idk how good the performance increase will be in games @1440p. I play mainly triple A titles and dying light 2 etc...and sometimes I get heavy stuttering or I'm on the brink of 60 fps and it looks so nasty under 55-60

Your choice. But MSI told me my previous rig's B450M Bazooka could support a 5900X, too... about two months before they told me their own BIOS update needed for the 5900X I'd just bought, could fry my board. I shot the works from there. You pays your money and you takes your chances... *shrugs*

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[Somerandomtechyboi]

45 minutes ago, niallnarine said:

Right...I get what youre saying. I saw a b550m aoros pro P for $130. I was thinking to get that...so here's the thing...since my Mobo rn supports everything..should I do CPU - ram - Mobo? Or a different order.

Ram is unimportant as it should easily overclock to 3200 cl16, so focus on board then cpu, that crappy hdv will prob barely even run a 5500/5600 so board first ofc

 

And yes that is a solid board that offers tons of rear i/o for cheap

[trevb0t]

I mean honestly the 2600 shouldn't be bottlenecking your 6600xt.

Are you doing any significant multi-core workload?

The 5600X is a significant boost in CPU performance, but if you're doing 1080p gaming with a 6600xt, you're still in a very comfortable FPS zone.

 

I'd personally resist the urge, and just save that case (and more) until a new platform drops.

[niallnarine]

On 6/14/2022 at 8:47 AM, An0maly_76 said:

Your choice. But MSI told me my previous rig's B450M Bazooka could support a 5900X, too... about two months before they told me their own BIOS update needed for the 5900X I'd just bought, could fry my board. I shot the works from there. You pays your money and you takes your chances... *shrugs*

Hey bro! I just wanted to update you cause you gave your time and knowledge… so I ended up getting a little money and I bought the X570 MSI Gaming Plus and the regular 5600 and I bought 8x2 DDR4 3600mhz cl18 ram I’m so happy. I’m waiting for it to deliver. And I may even get a deal to upgrade my gpu to a 6700xt. I only consider cause I’m paying a little extra and it’s better for the 1440p gaming 

[An0maly_76]

2 minutes ago, niallnarine said:

Hey bro! I just wanted to update you cause you gave your time and knowledge… so I ended up getting a little money and I bought the X570 MSI Gaming Plus and the regular 5600 and I bought 8x2 DDR4 3600mhz cl18 ram I’m so happy. I’m waiting for it to deliver. And I may even get a deal to upgrade my gpu to a 6700xt. I only consider cause I’m paying a little extra and it’s better for the 1440p gaming 

Went for the gusto, even... I like it. However, you DID get Crucial Ballistix, right?

[niallnarine]

4 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

Went for the gusto, even... I like it. However, you DID get Crucial Ballistix, right?

Uh oh- no I didn’t- I got T-Force Vulcan Z. Should I cancel my order and re order? Cause I can.