MOBO upgrade

[medar]

Im trying to upgrade my old system to something mid/high end. I don't play any intense games, GTA v League thats about it, just eant everything to run smoothly.

Found these mobos on a website  (its like ebay for my country). I am not expirienced with DDR4 mobos as I owned a DDR3 one and I wanna ask here.

Here's the list:

Maticna Ploca GIGABYTE B450M DS3H WIFI (70 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/47689769/1769792

Maticna ploca za AMD socket MSI A320M PRO VD/S (65 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/46606010/1769792

Maticna ploca AM4 ASROCK A320 M-DVS R4.0 (75 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/47009190/1769792

Biostar A520MH AM4 maticna (80 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/45773959/1769792

ASUS PRIME A320M-K Maticna Ploca (80 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/47661304/1769792

 

Here is the full search that I put filters that I am interested in so if you find something better let me know: https://www.olx.ba/pretraga?trazilica=maticna&sort_po=cijena&sort_order=asc&socket_select_socket-am4=Socket+AM4

 

[LiamApex]

What CPU have you purchased? 

[medar]

2 minutes ago, LiamApex said:

What CPU have you purchased? 

Haven't purchased one yet, waiting to purchase the motherboard first.

[LiamApex]

1 minute ago, yagamilight said:

Haven't purchased one yet, waiting to purchase the motherboard first.

Ok, might be worth choosing a CPU first, im not saying don't buy a motherboard first, but if you're going to chose a highend cpu you may want something with better power delivery etc, but if a lower end cpu then a mid range mobo will suffice.

[medar]

2 minutes ago, LiamApex said:

Ok, might be worth choosing a CPU first, im not saying don't buy a motherboard first, but if you're going to chose a highend cpu you may want something with better power delivery etc, but if a lower end cpu then a mid range mobo will suffice.

Once I find a mobo that has a pretty good range of CPUs I will choose a CPU that is decent for that motherboard and works well and will serve me over the years. Afterall I am not looking for anything specific as I said.

[jaslion]

34 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

Once I find a mobo that has a pretty good range of CPUs I will choose a CPU that is decent for that motherboard and works well and will serve me over the years. Afterall I am not looking for anything specific as I said.

12100(f) + b660 board

 

The boards you listed are just crap and not recommended at all

[medar]

13 minutes ago, jaslion said:

12100(f) + b660 board

 

The boards you listed are just crap and not recommended at all

why

[mariushm]

1 hour ago, yagamilight said:

Im trying to upgrade my old system to something mid/high end. I don't play any intense games, GTA v League thats about it, just eant everything to run smoothly.

Found these mobos on a website  (its like ebay for my country). I am not expirienced with DDR4 mobos as I owned a DDR3 one and I wanna ask here.

Here's the list:

Maticna Ploca GIGABYTE B450M DS3H WIFI (70 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/47689769/1769792

Maticna ploca za AMD socket MSI A320M PRO VD/S (65 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/46606010/1769792

Maticna ploca AM4 ASROCK A320 M-DVS R4.0 (75 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/47009190/1769792

Biostar A520MH AM4 maticna (80 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/45773959/1769792

ASUS PRIME A320M-K Maticna Ploca (80 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/47661304/1769792

 

Here is the full search that I put filters that I am interested in so if you find something better let me know: https://www.olx.ba/pretraga?trazilica=maticna&sort_po=cijena&sort_order=asc&socket_select_socket-am4=Socket+AM4

 

A320 chipset motherboards are the  "value" / "office" motherboards which work well with the first generations of Ryzen processors ( Ryzen 1xxx , Ryzen 2xxx) 

They don't do much overclocking, they're limited in the number of RAM slots (only 2), few USB ports on the back, and the VRM (the power circuitry which feeds the processor) is usually weak - basically they're meant for 65w TDP processors or less,  or in simpler terms you wouldn't want to use them with more than a 6 core processor. 

 

The A520  motherboard is using the A520 chipset, which is a newer A320 ... but with limitations. They're still basic motherboards, but some boards will have 4 ram slots, and enough USB ports on the back. 

These boards will typically only work with Ryzen 3xxx processors or newer, and I think only the newest Ryzen 4xxx and 5xxx with integrated graphics work on them - I think processors like 3000g or 3200g won't work.  You have to check the list of supported processors though. Also, Biostar is not that popular in this part of Europe and in general they release fewer BIOS updates, so it would probably be better to stick to more popular brands (Asrock, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI)

 

The B450 chipset is the standard chipset, it was supposed to be only for Ryzen 1xxx, 2xxx and 3xxx but they added support for some of the latest processors as well 

In general B450 is better than A320 because it allows overclocking, most have 4 ram slots, there's more usb ports (usb 2, usb 3 5gbps, some usb 3 10gbps), there's often 2 m.2 connectors etc 

 

My advice would be to get a motherboard with either B450 chipset, or B550 chipset ... but keep in mind B550 motherboard would limit your processor choices to Ryzen 3xxx, Ryzen 4xxx and Ryzen 5xxxx

 

 

[medar]

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

A320 chipset motherboards are the  "value" / "office" motherboards which work well with the first generations of Ryzen processors ( Ryzen 1xxx , Ryzen 2xxx) 

They don't do much overclocking, they're limited in the number of RAM slots (only 2), few USB ports on the back, and the VRM (the power circuitry which feeds the processor) is usually weak - basically they're meant for 65w TDP processors or less,  or in simpler terms you wouldn't want to use them with more than a 6 core processor. 

 

The A520  motherboard is using the A520 chipset, which is a newer A320 ... but with limitations. They're still basic motherboards, but some boards will have 4 ram slots, and enough USB ports on the back. 

These boards will typically only work with Ryzen 3xxx processors or newer, and I think only the newest Ryzen 4xxx and 5xxx with integrated graphics work on them - I think processors like 3000g or 3200g won't work.  You have to check the list of supported processors though. Also, Biostar is not that popular in this part of Europe and in general they release fewer BIOS updates, so it would probably be better to stick to more popular brands (Asrock, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI)

 

The B450 chipset is the standard chipset, it was supposed to be only for Ryzen 1xxx, 2xxx and 3xxx but they added support for some of the latest processors as well 

In general B450 is better than A320 because it allows overclocking, most have 4 ram slots, there's more usb ports (usb 2, usb 3 5gbps, some usb 3 10gbps), there's often 2 m.2 connectors etc 

 

My advice would be to get a motherboard with either B450 chipset, or B550 chipset ... but keep in mind B550 motherboard would limit your processor choices to Ryzen 3xxx, Ryzen 4xxx and Ryzen 5xxxx

 

 

So your advice is getting the B450? I dont carr abt bios updates tbh Im using an old mobo and never had problems with that all I want for the pc is to work and that I get over 60 fps constantly without freezes or anything like dat . 

[mariushm]

6 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

So your advice is getting the B450? I dont carr abt bios updates tbh Im using an old mobo and never had problems with that all I want for the pc is to work and that I get over 60 fps constantly without freezes or anything like dat . 

I don't know your overall budget. You need to decide on the total budget, then you also look at what processors are available and their prices and then decide on a combination and see what you're willing to let go.

If you can only afford a quad core Ryzen with a B450 chipset but you can afford a SIX core Ryzen with a A320 or A550 motherboard, then it may be worth it to go with the six core processor.

[medar]

58 minutes ago, mariushm said:

I don't know your overall budget. You need to decide on the total budget, then you also look at what processors are available and their prices and then decide on a combination and see what you're willing to let go.

If you can only afford a quad core Ryzen with a B450 chipset but you can afford a SIX core Ryzen with a A320 or A550 motherboard, then it may be worth it to go with the six core processor.

Which mobo is better overall, the B450 or the A320, from the ones I listed, Which one should I buy?

[mariushm]

The B450 motherboards will support more processors and will have more features, but will be more expensive.

Already explained it above, read and process what I said. 

[medar]

9 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The B450 motherboards will support more processors and will have more features, but will be more expensive.

Already explained it above, read and process what I said. 

Is the B450 that I listed good? Maticna Ploca GIGABYTE B450M DS3H WIFI (70 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/47689769/1769792

[jaslion]

9 hours ago, yagamilight said:

Which mobo is better overall, the B450 or the A320, from the ones I listed, Which one should I buy?

The problem is the ds3h b450 board is basically just as bad as the a320 or a520 boards you listed. The issue with all these boards are the vrms are so weak that anything above a 6 core cpu basically makes it overheat and have problems.

[medar]

2 hours ago, jaslion said:

The problem is the ds3h b450 board is basically just as bad as the a320 or a520 boards you listed. The issue with all these boards are the vrms are so weak that anything above a 6 core cpu basically makes it overheat and have problems.

so 6 cores in a CPU is my limit? What six core processor do you recommend me to get?

[jaslion]

58 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

so 6 cores in a CPU is my limit? What six core processor do you recommend me to get?

None on am4. The platform is done.

 

I really recommend you save up to at least get a 12th gen i3. You'll be much better off in the long run. That and these boards you listed are so low end they die a LOT easier.

 

Like I've had multiple of those ds3h b450's come in dead. The only board I haven't seen come in at all is the Biostar A520MH because well biostar isn't sold here.

 

The least bad one here is probably the a320 pro from msi BUT it doesn't have modern cpu support so it's basically useless.

 

 

I really recommend you either save up here or look at a different platform. None of these boards will do you well and none will last a long time when pushed to their limit (which is a mid range 6 core cpu which REALLY is not much at all of a load).

[medar]

9 hours ago, jaslion said:

None on am4. The platform is done.

 

I really recommend you save up to at least get a 12th gen i3. You'll be much better off in the long run. That and these boards you listed are so low end they die a LOT easier.

 

Like I've had multiple of those ds3h b450's come in dead. The only board I haven't seen come in at all is the Biostar A520MH because well biostar isn't sold here.

 

The least bad one here is probably the a320 pro from msi BUT it doesn't have modern cpu support so it's basically useless.

 

 

I really recommend you either save up here or look at a different platform. None of these boards will do you well and none will last a long time when pushed to their limit (which is a mid range 6 core cpu which REALLY is not much at all of a load).

sooo now you're telling me I should buy intel? What socket from intel should I go for

[medar]

9 hours ago, jaslion said:

None on am4. The platform is done.

 

I really recommend you save up to at least get a 12th gen i3. You'll be much better off in the long run. That and these boards you listed are so low end they die a LOT easier.

 

Like I've had multiple of those ds3h b450's come in dead. The only board I haven't seen come in at all is the Biostar A520MH because well biostar isn't sold here.

 

The least bad one here is probably the a320 pro from msi BUT it doesn't have modern cpu support so it's basically useless.

 

 

I really recommend you either save up here or look at a different platform. None of these boards will do you well and none will last a long time when pushed to their limit (which is a mid range 6 core cpu which REALLY is not much at all of a load).

And I don't understand man I'm stupid but I don't think Im that dumb. How tf is AM4 dying if its the newest socket from AMD?

[mariushm]

AMD will introduce socket AM5 in a few months, maybe at the end of this year.  It will use DDR5 memory, USB 4 (maybe), pci-e 5.0 is a possibility... so they'll focus their attention on that socket.

They will still make socket AM4 processors for a while, and there's gonna be plenty of socket AM4 processors on used market, and it's still a valid option to buy a socket AM4 motherboard. 

 

He said AM4 is dying because AMD will move their focus and attention to AM5, and AM4 will slowly be left to die, motherboard makers will slowly stop making AM4 motherboards, fewer models will be available in stores and eventually all will sell only AM5 motherboards.

 

If you think of going Intel route, your only option is to go with motherboards that support the 12 gen processors, I think it's called socket 1200. 

10 and 11 gen processors work on a previous generation of motherboards, and you can't upgrade from 10 and 11 gen to 12 gen, it's like socket AM3 vs socket AM4. 

 

If you buy processor NEW, it may be more performance for the money to go with a 12 gen Intel cpu and suitable motherboard , but Intel is even worse as future upgrade paths. There's no guarantee that 13 gen processors will work on a socket 1200 motherboard, or a socket 1200 motherboard that uses DDR4 slots.  Future processors may only use DDR5 or may require a new cpu socket. 

 

With AM4 you could buy a B450 chipset motherboard and go with an old Ryzen 1600 and in a year or two maybe upgrade to a 5700 or something like that for more performance. 

or you could go with a B550 chipset motherboard and pick a Ryzen 3100 and you'll know the motherboard will let you upgrade all the way to a 16 core 5950x in the future. 

 

[medar]

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

AMD will introduce socket AM5 in a few months, maybe at the end of this year.  It will use DDR5 memory, USB 4 (maybe), pci-e 5.0 is a possibility... so they'll focus their attention on that socket.

They will still make socket AM4 processors for a while, and there's gonna be plenty of socket AM4 processors on used market, and it's still a valid option to buy a socket AM4 motherboard. 

 

He said AM4 is dying because AMD will move their focus and attention to AM5, and AM4 will slowly be left to die, motherboard makers will slowly stop making AM4 motherboards, fewer models will be available in stores and eventually all will sell only AM5 motherboards.

 

If you think of going Intel route, your only option is to go with motherboards that support the 12 gen processors, I think it's called socket 1200. 

10 and 11 gen processors work on a previous generation of motherboards, and you can't upgrade from 10 and 11 gen to 12 gen, it's like socket AM3 vs socket AM4. 

 

If you buy processor NEW, it may be more performance for the money to go with a 12 gen Intel cpu and suitable motherboard , but Intel is even worse as future upgrade paths. There's no guarantee that 13 gen processors will work on a socket 1200 motherboard, or a socket 1200 motherboard that uses DDR4 slots.  Future processors may only use DDR5 or may require a new cpu socket. 

 

With AM4 you could buy a B450 chipset motherboard and go with an old Ryzen 1600 and in a year or two maybe upgrade to a 5700 or something like that for more performance. 

or you could go with a B550 chipset motherboard and pick a Ryzen 3100 and you'll know the motherboard will let you upgrade all the way to a 16 core 5950x in the future. 

 

if I go with the a320 pro that I listed and get an older processor, why is that such a problem since I don't even want to play any nee games or I don't want my PC  to have max performance I just want it to be decent and I think with those specs as old as they are they would still be considered mid range at least. 

[medar]

10 hours ago, jaslion said:

None on am4. The platform is done.

 

I really recommend you save up to at least get a 12th gen i3. You'll be much better off in the long run. That and these boards you listed are so low end they die a LOT easier.

 

Like I've had multiple of those ds3h b450's come in dead. The only board I haven't seen come in at all is the Biostar A520MH because well biostar isn't sold here.

 

The least bad one here is probably the a320 pro from msi BUT it doesn't have modern cpu support so it's basically useless.

 

 

I really recommend you either save up here or look at a different platform. None of these boards will do you well and none will last a long time when pushed to their limit (which is a mid range 6 core cpu which REALLY is not much at all of a load).

Do you also mean that the a520 is pretty good but you dont recommend it since its from biostar? Cuz im willing to risk it

[medar]

alr so from abt 10 mobos I've come to these 3. Please let me choose between these 3. I know I listed both B450 ans B550 but I listed them because I want to know even though the B550 is probably much better which one would be better as in performance per $.

Here is the intel 12th gen:

GIGABYTE H410M H V3 (rev. 1.0) Maticna Ploca (124 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/46271446/1769792

B450 b450m-k maticna am4 (99 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/47181969/1769792

Matična ploča Biostar B550 MH (149,90 KM)
https://www.olx.ba/r/43090491/1769792

The b450 is the cheapest one here so If its any good Id like to buy it

[medar]

14 hours ago, jaslion said:

The problem is the ds3h b450 board is basically just as bad as the a320 or a520 boards you listed. The issue with all these boards are the vrms are so weak that anything above a 6 core cpu basically makes it overheat and have problems.

what if I buy a processor with 4 cores?

[mariushm]

Buy whatever you want. 

The idea is that the power consumption of a CPU kind of scales with the number of cores. In the case of AMD Ryzen processors, it's around 12-15w per core.

 

A 4 core processor shouldn't consume more than around 50-60w, a 6 core processor may go up to 80w, an 8 core processor may go to 100-110w and so on. 

 

The VRM is that circuit between the IO shield (where you put all connectors and the CPU socket), it converts 12v into the voltage the processor wants. 

 

A VRM circuit without heatsinks on it, like on that "B450 b450m-k " board, will overheat if you use a processor that consumes more than around 80 watts, so upgrading in the future to a cpu with more than 6 cores will be a problem.

Even with a powerful six core processor, from time to time the temperature of that circuit may be quite high and that could force the processor to reduce its frequencies and its power consumption in order to give that circuit time to cool down. So you get a less than great performance out of the processor. 

 

Heatsinks help reduce temperature and expand how many processors you could use, and the performance can be further improved by simply making a fan blow air over the heatsink metal to reduce the temperature even more. So it's better to have heatsinks (even small heatsinks) on that circuit. 

 

Get a B450 chipset motherboard as it will be most versatile, it will support the highest amount of processors. 

 

The Gigabyte B450M DS3H Wifi is better than the above Asus one

You have the version without wifi here, new listing : https://www.olx.ba/artikal/47008364/maticna-ploca-gigabyte-mb-b450m-ds3h-1-1-socket-am4/

 

Or the v2 version ... pretty much same, just  minor changes on the board : https://www.olx.ba/artikal/40636175/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-v2/

 

This would be a good board if it's still available and the price is good, can't see the price : https://www.olx.ba/artikal/47406886/asrock-b450m-pro4-maticna-ploca/

 

If you don't mind being limited to Ryzen 3100 or newer processors, look at A520 motherboards as well. 

 

Gigabyte A520M-S2H is ok. .. no heatsink on the vrm, good enough for up to 6 core processors : https://www.olx.ba/artikal/44785277/gigabyte-a520m-s2h/

 

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, yagamilight said:

And I don't understand man I'm stupid but I don't think Im that dumb. How tf is AM4 dying if its the newest socket from AMD?

Am5 is launching in the next 2 months. Am4 has gotten it's last cpu.

 

57 minutes ago, yagamilight said:

what if I buy a processor with 4 cores?

That I would not recommend as those are already on the edge of being good enough for gaming. With this I mean the 4core/8thread cpu's. Once the new consoles fully take over expect just like last time to see a huge jump in needed cpu threads. Which will leave those cpu's behind.

 

Hence why for now I'm recommending a i3 12100. Even tho it's a 4c/8t part you CAN easily upgrade to a 6c,8,10,... and such later on even very low budget boards.

 

That or you get a good deal on a ryzen cpu right now.

 

1 hour ago, yagamilight said:

Do you also mean that the a520 is pretty good but you dont recommend it since its from biostar? Cuz im willing to risk it

It is unknown but biostar is not known to make good products overall in the last decade basically.

 

What is your budget in the end for the WHOLE computer?

 

I think you should look at more complete devices/bundles instead of part by part here. just browsing around a bit I can see some decent desktops on there for low prices.