5800x temp problems. Help!

[An0maly_76]

KInda looks like an aquarium from where I'm sitting. My two suggestions....

Exhaust fan HERE

 

Also, check fan rotation / airflow direction. Fronts should be sucking in, top should be sucking in, rear should be pushing out. With no rear fan, there really is no way to push heat out.

 

Also, OP, how is your loop sequenced? As in, is it reservoir, pump, cpu plate, rad, gpu, etc.? What is the order of the components throughout the loop?

Edited April 25, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised, more info

[GuiltySpark_]

1 minute ago, Cfischer6797 said:

Per Open hardware monitor it as at 1500 RPM right now

1 minute ago, Zando_ said:

 

^^^ Assuming it's an Asetek AIO (almost all of them are due to Asetek having nearly all the patents), it should run about the same as any other AIO. 

It is not an Astetek design. And I'm not sure that's helpful. The actual number is important to tell us if its underperforming. 

[GuiltySpark_]

1 minute ago, An0maly_76 said:

KInda looks like an aquarium from where I'm sitting. My two suggestions....

Exhaust fan HERE

 

 

Also, check fan rotation / airflow direction. Fronts should be sucking in, top should be sucking in, rear should be pushing out.

 

Also, OP, how is your loop sequenced? As in, is it reservoir, pump, cpu plate, rad, gpu, etc.? What is the order of the components throughout the loop?

O11 Dynamic does not support an exhaust fan there, not to mention there are three exhaust fans directly above proving a significant amount of exhaust. The fans we can see are all correctly pointed in the right direction. 

 

The AIO is just a standard CPU AIO, its pumpblock to rad and back again.

[An0maly_76]

4 minutes ago, Cfischer6797 said:

That wouldnt explain why it use to max out at 75c a while ago, it has plenty of room for the air to escape, plus my GPU never hits above 65c full load. so that seems to show plenty of air flow throughout

Actually, it would -- if it barely has enough airflow to keep it at 75C... These things have a way of snowballing in borderline conditions. And there really should be an exhaust fan on that back wall.

[Cfischer6797]

3 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

It is not an Astetek design. And I'm not sure that's helpful. The actual number is important to tell us if its underperforming. 

I went into the BIOS and have it set to 100 percent at all times and is currently sitting at 3400 rpm with no change in temps

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, An0maly_76 said:

KInda looks like an aquarium from where I'm sitting. My two suggestions....

Exhaust fan HERE

That isn't an exhaust fan mount point. They have a fuckload of positive pressure with 360mm of fans in the side and 360mm of fans in the bottom (I assume the ones below the GPU are intakes). 

2 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

Also, check fan rotation / airflow direction. Fronts should be sucking in, top should be sucking in, rear should be pushing out.

See the above. This isn't a usual air cooler based case, it was designed with loops/AIOs in mind. 

3 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

Also, OP, how is your loop sequenced? As in, is it reservoir, pump, cpu plate, rad, gpu, etc.? What is the order of the components throughout the loop?

This is an AIO. It only has rad -> CPU pump/block combo -> back to rad. Impossible to mess up the loop sequence as it's preassembled (not that loop sequence matters anyways). 

1 minute ago, An0maly_76 said:

Actually, it would -- if it barely has enough airflow to keep it at 75C... These things have a way of snowballing in borderline conditions. And there really should be an exhaust fan on that back wall.

You very much do not understand what the O11 Dynamic is, and you're derailing the thread. 

[GuiltySpark_]

Again, 011 Dynamic is not your standard front to back airflow design, its bottom to top. 

 

Its also worth mentioning again that this is not a new problem. This system functioned perfectly fine and nothing has changed hardware wise. Fan setup is not the problem.

 

Its pretty clear by now that the pump is running at less than half speed so my first suggestion is to remedy that and see if things improve. Step two, for me, would be to change coolers as the AIO could still be clogged. 

 

What are temperatures looking like now after your software changes under Cinebench?

[An0maly_76]

5 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

O11 Dynamic does not support an exhaust fan there,

I find that hard to believe... Seeing as this is the generally accepted correct method of heat management and cooling in PCs. And I revise a previous brainfart of saying the top should be sucking in, they should be blowing out.

 

[GuiltySpark_]

1 minute ago, Cfischer6797 said:

I went into the BIOS and have it set to 100 percent at all times and is currently sitting at 3400 rpm with no change in temps

Yeah, I'd be replacing the cooler after confirming temps are out of control still in Cinebench. Something is wrong.

[GuiltySpark_]

Just now, An0maly_76 said:

I find that hard to believe... Seeing as this is the generally accepted correct method of heat management and cooling in PCs.

 

 

Cases come in all shapes and sizes, that picture does not work with an 011, an extremely popular case, and is not helpful in this situation at all. 

[Cfischer6797]

2 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Again, 011 Dynamic is not your standard front to back airflow design, its bottom to top. 

 

Its also worth mentioning again that this is not a new problem. This system functioned perfectly fine and nothing has changed hardware wise. Fan setup is not the problem.

 

Its pretty clear by now that the pump is running at less than half speed so my first suggestion is to remedy that and see if things improve. Step two, for me, would be to change coolers as the AIO could still be clogged. 

 

What are temperatures looking like now after your software changes under Cinebench?

Its atleast thermal throttling now it seems, so that's progress

[An0maly_76]

What about air pockets in the loop that took a bit of time to surface, and now the system is low on fluid? Evaporation has been known to happen with AIOs as well.

Edited April 25, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised, more info

[GuiltySpark_]

4 minutes ago, Cfischer6797 said:

Its atleast thermal throttling now it seems, so that's progress

Same test. Much more power, much higher clocks and temps under control. Something is wrong with the cooler or its mount.

[An0maly_76]

7 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

You very much do not understand what the O11 Dynamic is, and you're derailing the thread.

I'm going off of Internet pics and partial OP pics. Excuse me if I try to help with incomplete info.

[RMTM]

Your room is cold(22c) enough. That rules it out.

 

I suggest for you to change your AIO already. The Noctua's NH-U12A is a good option for you. Or an NH-D15, if your RAM allows clearance for dual intake fans.

 

I have an 11700K overclocked (41%) in a room at 86F(30c) temp and it barely hit 65c on gaming. Idle is at 39-40c. Cinebench23.2 only reaches 85c on multi-core overclocked at 41%(~5100mhz) in same room temp 30c.

[Cfischer6797]

5 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Same test. Much more power, much higher clocks and temps under control. Something is wrong with the cooler or its mount.

I already remounted it once, ill shut her down, take the block off again, check the paste to make sure everything had good contact. i dont see how i could really mount it wrong with this bracket,

 

But ill report back in a couple of minutes, do you have a recommendation on a better cooler?

[GuiltySpark_]

5 minutes ago, Cfischer6797 said:

I already remounted it once, ill shut her down, take the block off again, check the paste to make sure everything had good contact. i dont see how i could really mount it wrong with this bracket,

 

But ill report back in a couple of minutes, do you have a recommendation on a better cooler?

Well the cooler you have is good. In fact, the 360's from Arctic, EK and Lian Li are the three best Gamers Nexus has tested in their performance charters and their review of the Lian Li specifically was favorable. As with anything, things can go wrong and that might be what's happened to you. I have an EK 360 on my 5800x and its performed quite well for over a year now, i'm very happy with it. 

 

Obviously these cases are designed for water cooling so if you look at some of the large air coolers, keep an eye out for height issues. For example, the air cooler i'd go with today would be the DeepCool AK620, however its 160mm tall and the 011 Dynamic can only support up to 155mm. My second choice is the Scythe FUMA 2 Rev B and its 154.5mm high and that's SUPER close. 

[Cfischer6797]

8 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Well the cooler you have is good. In fact, the 360's from Arctic, EK and Lian Li are the three best Gamers Nexus has tested in their performance charters and their review of the Lian Li specifically was favorable. As with anything, things can go wrong and that might be what's happened to you. I have an EK 360 on my 5800x and its performed quite well for over a year now, i'm very happy with it. 

 

Obviously these cases are designed for water cooling so if you look at some of the large air coolers, keep an eye out for height issues. For example, the air cooler i'd go with today would be the DeepCool AK620, however its 160mm tall and the 011 Dynamic can only support up to 155mm. My second choice is the Scythe FUMA 2 Rev B and its 154.5mm high and that's SUPER close. 

Just reapplied thermal paste. and reseated the cooler and nothing changed, laid the case on its side to attempt the reorienting ish theories. and nothing has changed