Retro Sleeper Build

[tjrose91]

I already have most of the build mostly in planning, i want to attach an 120mm AIO for the CPU but main question is that the PSU is top mounted for this type of case, i do have a 92mm to 120mm bracket i can use

for the back of the case but from i been told mostly YT, is that warm air is better than no air, so i can attach the Rad of the AIO directly to the PSU and possibly replace the fan to the PSU and have the replacement fan power connector plugged directly into the PWM on the MB will look into other types of high static pressure fans and Jayztwocents did a video fans now days new ones from reputable brands are more less hyrbids but will get a decent fan for this config

 

but i digress the question will the PSU be fine long term as long as its getting air moved thru and being exhausted, 

 

PC specs

CPU - Ryzen 3600

GPU - ? its my sons PC son 1650 to maybe an upgrade down the line he is 7 turning 8 this fall maybe 6700xt reference or blower style if i can find one 

 

[Bombastinator]

30 minutes ago, tjrose91 said:

I already have most of the build mostly in planning, i want to attach an 120mm AIO for the CPU but main question is that the PSU is top mounted for this type of case, i do have a 92mm to 120mm bracket i can use

for the back of the case but from i been told mostly YT, is that warm air is better than no air, so i can attach the Rad of the AIO directly to the PSU and possibly replace the fan to the PSU and have the replacement fan power connector plugged directly into the PWM on the MB will look into other types of high static pressure fans and Jayztwocents did a video fans now days new ones from reputable brands are more less hyrbids but will get a decent fan for this config

 

but i digress the question will the PSU be fine long term as long as its getting air moved thru and being exhausted, 

 

PC specs

CPU - Ryzen 3600

GPU - ? its my sons PC son 1650 to maybe an upgrade down the line he is 7 turning 8 this fall maybe 6700xt reference or blower style if i can find one 

 

The problem with “replace the fan to the PSU” is PSUs are individual components and are independently engineered.  Likely some will work and some won’t.  It’s going to be a model by model thing and there will be math.

[tjrose91]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

The problem with “replace the fan to the PSU” is PSUs are individual components and are independently engineered.  Likely some will work and some won’t.  It’s going to be a model by model thing and there will be math.

I mean i have a basic understanding on things, some PSU have zero RPM mode but i always liked constant air flow, but there will be constant air flow and the replacement fan will most likely be a major upgrade to the PSU fan, so i feel that with enough static pressure it should overcome the original psu fan and the rad, i know the noctual industrial fans are really good, i have a pair of 140mm on a 280mm front rad with only side vents and i can feel the air flow inside the case and that more restrictive than the RAD and PSU combo, and the fan would still be installed inside the PSU

[Bombastinator]

On 3/18/2022 at 1:48 PM, tjrose91 said:

I mean i have a basic understanding on things, some PSU have zero RPM mode but i always liked constant air flow, but there will be constant air flow and the replacement fan will most likely be a major upgrade to the PSU fan, so i feel that with enough static pressure it should overcome the original psu fan and the rad, i know the noctual industrial fans are really good, i have a pair of 140mm on a 280mm front rad with only side vents and i can feel the air flow inside the case and that more restrictive than the RAD and PSU combo, and the fan would still be installed inside the PSU

The problem is the way atx works.  Each module as a whole runs within a certain spec, but inside that module there is no atx, and you’re talking straight engineering.  This is one reason why opening PSUs is so strongly discouraged (it can also be really dangerous but that’s a different thing)  The PSU fan is IN the PSU, so while it looks like a case fan it isn’t one.  Doing things inside a module is very different from slapping atx modules together.  This is what makes oem prebuilts so problematic.  They’re not actually atx either though they may look like they are and even use some atx parts.  The result is they’re often not upgradable. 

[tjrose91]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

The problem is the way atx works.  Each module as a whole runs within a certain spec, but inside that module there is no atx, and you’re talking straight engineering.  This is one reason why opening PSUs is so strongly discouraged (it can also be really dangerous but that’s a different thing)  The PSU fan is IN the PSU, so while it looks like a case fan it isn’t one.  Doing things inside a module is very different from slapping atx modules together.  This is what makes oem prebuilts so problematic.  They’re not actually atx either.  The result is they’re often not upgradable. 

well fans die all the time and its easier to replace a fan with another 120mm than it is to buy a whole new PSU, as long as the PSU has proper air flow to cover all the componets then it should be fine with a replacment 120mm fan, just found out that the rad had clearnance issues with the Rear i/o so had to use a 92mm-120mm adapter, i have replace many PSU fans never had an issue normally sodered new wires with the old fan connectors but never had an issue with a new fan its all about having good air flow 

[Bombastinator]

22 minutes ago, tjrose91 said:

well fans die all the time and its easier to replace a fan with another 120mm than it is to buy a whole new PSU, as long as the PSU has proper air flow to cover all the componets then it should be fine with a replacment 120mm fan, just found out that the rad had clearnance issues with the Rear i/o so had to use a 92mm-120mm adapter, i have replace many PSU fans never had an issue normally sodered new wires with the old fan connectors but never had an issue with a new fan its all about having good air flow 

I thought that too.  I took a PSU apart once.  How big was that 120mm fan? 110mm. To make it more fun the connector was non atx so I couldn’t get a new one.  Not atx means “anything”.  You can replace the parts fine.   IF they didn’t solder the fan wires on (a crapshoot) and then you want to look at the model number of the part and get the same damned one.   Think of the inside of a PSU as an OEM prebuilt.  Change the specs at your peril.  You will be hotrodding without bolt on parts.  People do make bolt on parts for Detroit engines.  You know who do it?  Engineers.

Edited March 18, 2022 by Bombastinator

[thrasher_565]

not all psu use stranded size fans some are 135mm and there not cheap fans. they only turn on when they hit 55c inside.

[tjrose91]

17 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

not all psu use stranded size fans some are 135mm and there not cheap fans. they only turn on when they hit 55c inside.

i already know about the different fan sizes most of the time i come across the standard 120mm, i have replaced many PSU fans never had an issues only came across a 135mm a hand full of times, most of the time its 120mm for modern PSUs i come across, i mainly buy EVGA

[IkeaGnome]

38 minutes ago, tjrose91 said:

i already know about the different fan sizes most of the time i come across the standard 120mm, i have replaced many PSU fans never had an issues only came across a 135mm a hand full of times, most of the time its 120mm for modern PSUs i come across, i mainly buy EVGA

The downside to having your AIO exhaust through the PSU would be over temp protection. It's much lower on PSUs than the CPU. EVGA doesn't list what temperature their OTT kicks in at in a easy to find place. Worst case scenario, when you load the CPU and exhaust hot air, the PSU shuts down for a bit. I had this issue in my old case. The 3600 is a much cooler chip than a 5800x though. If you try it and get weird shut downs, I'd just go to the 92mm to 120 bracket. 

If you had a 3d printer, you could make a shroud as well to keep some air from just hitting a solid wall. 

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:469865

 

[thrasher_565]

5 hours ago, tjrose91 said:

i already know about the different fan sizes most of the time i come across the standard 120mm, i have replaced many PSU fans never had an issues only came across a 135mm a hand full of times, most of the time its 120mm for modern PSUs i come across, i mainly buy EVGA

well you no you kill your warnay. and know the dangers of psu and the caps even when un powered. but ya you can un plug it and cut a hole for the cable and attach another connector to it then to the mb. i do be leave most are 2 wires so voltage controlled. ive replaced a psu fan before too only because it was a clear psu and i wanted an orange fan in side to match the clear case. but that was a cheap psu with a cheap fan now adays there way way way better.

i also attempted to swap connectors and sleeve them... never agan (and yes that's a wc xbox 360)

 

 

 

 

Edited March 20, 2022 by thrasher_565

[tjrose91]

On 3/19/2022 at 2:30 PM, IkeaGnome said:

The downside to having your AIO exhaust through the PSU would be over temp protection. It's much lower on PSUs than the CPU. EVGA doesn't list what temperature their OTT kicks in at in a easy to find place. Worst case scenario, when you load the CPU and exhaust hot air, the PSU shuts down for a bit. I had this issue in my old case. The 3600 is a much cooler chip than a 5800x though. If you try it and get weird shut downs, I'd just go to the 92mm to 120 bracket. 

If you had a 3d printer, you could make a shroud as well to keep some air from just hitting a solid wall. 

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:469865

 

i have to use a slim 120mm AIO to adress the clearance issues from the Bracket, to slim 120mm fan , to Rad as it would interfere with the CPU block, but i ended up going with a 92mm Air Cooler tower i had laying around for the longest time, but was about to post what other name brand Fans budget, mid range, to top of the line so far i been getting Noctuas as they are prices reasonably and offer good air flow, im not familiar enough with fans a fan is kind of a fan but quality is important if it feels cheap like china than its probably not a good fan 

[tjrose91]

On 3/19/2022 at 7:24 PM, thrasher_565 said:

well you no you kill your warnay. and know the dangers of psu and the caps even when un powered. but ya you can un plug it and cut a hole for the cable and attach another connector to it then to the mb. i do be leave most are 2 wires so voltage controlled. ive replaced a psu fan before too only because it was a clear psu and i wanted an orange fan in side to match the clear case. but that was a cheap psu with a cheap fan now adays there way way way better.

i also attempted to swap connectors and sleeve them... never agan (and yes that's a wc xbox 360)

 

 

 

 

that looks neat, i mean you can splice the old PSU fan connectors if its not soldered directly to the board if it is i nver had an issue soldering a replacement fan to the exsiting wires sometimes even add a two wire 3/4pin fan male lead inside the PSU

[thrasher_565]

7 hours ago, tjrose91 said:

that looks neat, i mean you can splice the old PSU fan connectors if its not soldered directly to the board if it is i nver had an issue soldering a replacement fan to the exsiting wires sometimes even add a two wire 3/4pin fan male lead inside the PSU

ya can do that too.

[Queen Chrysalis]

>it’s my son’s pc

>he’s turning 7

>maybe (any high end card from the last 5 years)

 

Dude just give him a laptop with an APU or a Ps4.  Not to go boomer on ya, but you’re spoiling his future appreciation of nice things.  The kid is gonna have no concept of the value of money or work if you just drop him into a high end rig.

[tjrose91]

On 3/22/2022 at 8:29 PM, Queen Chrysalis said:

>it’s my son’s pc

>he’s turning 7

>maybe (any high end card from the last 5 years)

 

Dude just give him a laptop with an APU or a Ps4.  Not to go boomer on ya, but you’re spoiling his future appreciation of nice things.  The kid is gonna have no concept of the value of money or work if you just drop him into a high end rig.

my last gaming rig lasted me 5+yrs expect the same with his pc