Noob pc builder

[mlcomputernoob]

Budget (including currency): 3k usd

Country: USA - 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  WoW, Games

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bshr3Z

 

So the 1660 graphics card, the mother board, and the power supply I all have from my old computer. New to this, wouldn't mind some constructive criticism. 

[danalog]

Welcome to the forums!

What are you upgrading from? That hardware is a bit unbalanced for a 1660... 

[mlcomputernoob]

I had an old "Ibuypower" my brother gave me, that Im using for parts. it has an i3 CPU that im currently gaming on. 

[mlcomputernoob]

I really wanted a new case, but I cant decided between the Coolermaster, something with handles. something portable. 

[Winter Knight]

Wait, let me get this straight, you already have the following parts:

-GTX 1660 TI

-MSI MPG Z390

-MSI MPG A-GF 750W

And you are looking to upgrade:
-I9 9900K
-32 GB DDR4 3600 MHz
-Corsair 4000D (or something portable)
-Samsung 980 PRO 1TB

Before any changes, what exactly is your performance goal? Is it 4k 60 Hz, 1080p 120Hz, 2k 144Hz, triple A titles or E-sports games,  and so on. If you want to save some money or get more out of it, having a performance goal will help you a lot. However, I have some overall sugestions for you:
1) The I9 9900K has Hyperthreading, one feature that still is not really that useful in games (at least in the last time I checked), so stepping down for an I7 9700K should give you basicaly the same performance for less money.
2) Overall I don't think that 32 GB of RAM is a bad idea, but you can still get away with just 16 GB (2x8). You could again step down with minimum lost to save some money and upgrade later for 32 GB (4x8) if necessary.
3) Again the Samsung 980 PRO is also a bit overkill today, with that PCIE gen 4 NVME interface, maybe going for a Samsung 980 1TB or a Crucial P5 1TB with PCIE gen 3 speeds is a good idea.
4) Take all the money that you saved and get a MX500 2TB SATA III SSD for massive game storage, in case you have a lot of steam games or gamepass.

Hope I could help!

Edited October 28, 2021 by Autumn Knight
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[mlcomputernoob]

right. so I just checked my budget  I have $1820 for cpu, fan, and case are my biggest questions. I can easily downgrade the SSD Or nvme anytime. 

 

But the cpu/case, heatsink(fan) are my biggest question on what to get.

[Jonathan Lee]

What do you own now? Want to clarify before giving any suggestions.

3 hours ago, Autumn Knight said:

The I9 9900K has Hyperthreading, one feature that still is not really that useful in games (at least in the last time I checked), so stepping down for an I7 9700K should give you basicaly the same performance for less money.

Hyperthreading does help in game. Helps prevent frame stutters and improve frame pacing. Improves experience, but yes fps will not be too different.

[mlcomputernoob]

right now. Its an intel i3 cpu. I live in a hillside area in Los Angeles,  on the outskirts of Pasadena.  My raids biggest complaint is my audio, cause I raid lead, so I was debating about that. I'm honestly not sure I can do anything because there are only 2 internet providers where I live.

[Jonathan Lee]

If you're audio is cutting off, that's probably internet problem. If it's not clear, better mike maybe? Unfortunately, not too familiar with that issue.

7 minutes ago, mlcomputernoob said:

I'm honestly not sure I can do anything because there are only 2 internet providers where I live.

oof that's rough.

 

Yea, going with 9900K is probably you're best choice. I think you should stick to gen 3 drive though.

 

I don't think you're mobo supports gen 4 speeds. I would recommend one of these drives instead:

Silicon Power P34A80

ADATA XPG GAMMIX S5

ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro

 

You could also look into getting a 2TB drive so you don't have to worry about storage for awhile.

 

I think the cooler should be enough, but it might be a bit hot at times.

 

Everything else looks fine to me though.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VpTxnL

Did some tweaks to make it cheaper

 

Swapped the k cpu for a kf cpu, k cpu is uneccesary here cause you arent overclocking judging by the tiny redux cooler you put in but the kf was only 10$ more so why not

 

Ditched overpriced rgb pro for some cheap 3200 cl16 rgb rams, if you are interested in tuning rams then consider a b die kit like ripjaws v 3600 cl16 or viper steel 4400 cl19

 

Ditched the rather overkill 980 pro for a much cheaper z440 ssd, still gen4 but at a much cheaper price

 

Ditched the redux for a fuma 2 so itll run quieter and intel boards overvolt the crap out of the cpus so since you are most likely gonna leave it at stock and not bother overclocking or undervolting the fuma 2 will provide more cooling and be quiet aswell, also who in theyre right mind even bothers with a u12s redux when a thicc single tower like the mugen 5 is the same price and a  dual tower like fuma 2 is only 10$ more

 

Swapped the case for a p400a cause more rgbs

[Winter Knight]

4 hours ago, Jonathan Lee said:

What do you own now? Want to clarify before giving any suggestions.

Hyperthreading does help in game. Helps prevent frame stutters and improve frame pacing. Improves experience, but yes fps will not be too different.

Interesting, and seeing that the 9900KF is going for 340$ and the 9700K for 300$, there isn't really a significant price reduction for stepping down. But when you already have 8 cores, is it still possible to improve frame pacing and frame stutters?

Also, if you only want to game at 1080p, a 9600K wouldn't be a good enought gaming CPU? Again, hard to say without a goal in mind.

[Jonathan Lee]

28 minutes ago, Autumn Knight said:

But when you already have 8 cores, is it still possible to improve frame pacing and frame stutters?

Yea it also does. Hyperthreading is kinda like adding a half core, allows the data to be essentially pre-fetched so your CPU isn't looking for it while trying to do it's calculations. Would definitely depend on the game though. Lots of older games tend to not take advantage of it (cause it didn't exist back then). Newer games can take advantage of it though. 

[mlcomputernoob]

3 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VpTxnL

Did some tweaks to make it cheaper

 

Swapped the k cpu for a kf cpu, k cpu is uneccesary here cause you arent overclocking judging by the tiny redux cooler you put in but the kf was only 10$ more so why not

 

Ditched overpriced rgb pro for some cheap 3200 cl16 rgb rams, if you are interested in tuning rams then consider a b die kit like ripjaws v 3600 cl16 or viper steel 4400 cl19

 

Ditched the rather overkill 980 pro for a much cheaper z440 ssd, still gen4 but at a much cheaper price

 

Ditched the redux for a fuma 2 so itll run quieter and intel boards overvolt the crap out of the cpus so since you are most likely gonna leave it at stock and not bother overclocking or undervolting the fuma 2 will provide more cooling and be quiet aswell, also who in theyre right mind even bothers with a u12s redux when a thicc single tower like the mugen 5 is the same price and a  dual tower like fuma 2 is only 10$ more

 

Swapped the case for a p400a cause more rgbs

I appreciate the advice.  I actually had no idea, I just picked it cause I saw a LTT video saying it was good and affordable. 

[mlcomputernoob]

On 10/28/2021 at 5:06 PM, Somerandomtechyboi said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VpTxnL

Did some tweaks to make it cheaper

 

Swapped the k cpu for a kf cpu, k cpu is uneccesary here cause you arent overclocking judging by the tiny redux cooler you put in but the kf was only 10$ more so why not

 

Ditched overpriced rgb pro for some cheap 3200 cl16 rgb rams, if you are interested in tuning rams then consider a b die kit like ripjaws v 3600 cl16 or viper steel 4400 cl19

 

Ditched the rather overkill 980 pro for a much cheaper z440 ssd, still gen4 but at a much cheaper price

 

Ditched the redux for a fuma 2 so itll run quieter and intel boards overvolt the crap out of the cpus so since you are most likely gonna leave it at stock and not bother overclocking or undervolting the fuma 2 will provide more cooling and be quiet aswell, also who in theyre right mind even bothers with a u12s redux when a thicc single tower like the mugen 5 is the same price and a  dual tower like fuma 2 is only 10$ more

 

Swapped the case for a p400a cause more rgbs

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bzc3qp

Updated,

 

the Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive just seems like a more trustworthy brand for $2 dollars more.

 

The be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower Case seems more elegant and a cooler design.

 

The  G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-4000 CL18 Memory is the other memory you recommended?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 hours ago, mlcomputernoob said:

the Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive just seems like a more trustworthy brand for $2 dollars more.

Trash and outdated gen3 ssd that has been beaten by a much cheaper crucial p5 and superceeded by cheap gen4 ssds like the z440

 

2 hours ago, mlcomputernoob said:

The be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower Case seems more elegant and a cooler design.

Well thats personal pref so if you want it then sure so long at it doesnt exceed the budget

 

2 hours ago, mlcomputernoob said:

The  G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-4000 CL18 Memory is the other memory you recommended?

Uneccesary, if you want fast rams get b die rams like viper steel 4400 cl19 or ripjaws v 3600 cl16 (16-16-16 not 16-18-18), only worth it if you plan on overclocking the crap out of them

[VEXICUS]

I'll recommend something like this instead...

Sell your existing CPU, Mobo, RAM and shift to AMD.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($309.00 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (Purchased) 

Motherboard: MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Silicon Power 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Newegg) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB GAMING X Video Card (Purchased) 

Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.95 @ Walmart) 

Power Supply: MSI MPG A-GF 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased) 

Total: $773.92

 

[mlcomputernoob]

13 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Trash and outdated gen3 ssd that has been beaten by a much cheaper crucial p5 and superceeded by cheap gen4 ssds like the z440

 

Well thats personal pref so if you want it then sure so long at it doesnt exceed the budget

 

Uneccesary, if you want fast rams get b die rams like viper steel 4400 cl19 or ripjaws v 3600 cl16 (16-16-16 not 16-18-18), only worth it if you plan on overclocking the crap out of them

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hb4FcT

 

I have both ram options on here. But what am I doing wrong? The prices - seem inconsistent. 

[mlcomputernoob]

23 hours ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Trash and outdated gen3 ssd that has been beaten by a much cheaper crucial p5 and superceeded by cheap gen4 ssds like the z440

 

Well thats personal pref so if you want it then sure so long at it doesnt exceed the budget

 

Uneccesary, if you want fast rams get b die rams like viper steel 4400 cl19 or ripjaws v 3600 cl16 (16-16-16 not 16-18-18), only worth it if you plan on overclocking the crap out of them

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vVVD4D/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4400-cl19-memory-pvs416g440c9k

 

Found it. On sale $114

[Somerandomtechyboi]

8 minutes ago, mlcomputernoob said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vVVD4D/patriot-viper-steel-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4400-cl19-memory-pvs416g440c9k

 

Found it. On sale $114

Also keep in mind that xmp will most likely not work out of the box unless your cpu can somehow run 2200mhz fclk which is pretty much impossible

 

If you dont intend on tuning your rams then dont bother with b die or m die overclocking rams and just get whatever 3600 kit you can find and just set 3800mhz for a slight oc that should be just set and forget