Fps way below expected

[TheOneNex]

Hey folks, I just downloaded battlefield v for first time after I saw benchmarks on YouTube from several videos that my gpu can run it on 60fps steadily Med-high settings

So I tried it and oh wow the fps is going from 20-40 avg and well below that on multiplayer mayhem even on the absolute lowest gfx. 

The task manager only shows 30-50% gpu usage, cpu is almost the same too. I tried gpu overclocking it was not a big difference. And I'm maintaining cpu and gpu temp avg 60°

The question is how can i run the game properly like those videos since my hardware is identical to them? 

Gpu GTX 1650 4GB

Cpu i5 9300H

16 GB  DDR4

 

 

[tikker]

What CPU do those videos use? Are you running at the same resolution?

[TheOneNex]

4 hours ago, tikker said:

What CPU do those videos use? Are you running at the same resolution?

Same as everything cpu, gpu, ram, resolution 

Here's one of many examples on YouTube 

 

[Gohardgrandpa]

28 minutes ago, TheOneNex said:

Same as everything cpu, gpu, ram, resolution 

Here's one of many examples on YouTube 

 

Something seems way off with that video. It's a 22 minute download for me so I'm doing that right now. Gonna try to help you out with this

 

[TheOneNex]

1 hour ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

Something seems way off with that video. It's a 22 minute download for me so I'm doing that right now. Gonna try to help you out with this

 

here's another, 

I updated nvidia driver and used optimal settings and still not that close to 60 even on medium the video runs it at ultra 1080p

 

[tikker]

Maybe RAM speed? Might be worth looking into with some of the recent videos about the "slow memory" in laptops.

[TheOneNex]

17 hours ago, tikker said:

Maybe RAM speed? Might be worth looking into with some of the recent videos about the "slow memory" in laptops.

my Processor: is i5-9300H CPU @ 2.40GHz 

and ram: 2400MHz (the guy in the above video runs 2400mhz too)

 

[Qyygle]

On 10/2/2021 at 6:39 PM, TheOneNex said:

Hey folks, I just downloaded battlefield v for first time after I saw benchmarks on YouTube from several videos that my gpu can run it on 60fps steadily Med-high settings

So I tried it and oh wow the fps is going from 20-40 avg and well below that on multiplayer mayhem even on the absolute lowest gfx. 

The task manager only shows 30-50% gpu usage, cpu is almost the same too. I tried gpu overclocking it was not a big difference. And I'm maintaining cpu and gpu temp avg 60°

The question is how can i run the game properly like those videos since my hardware is identical to them? 

Gpu GTX 1650 4GB

Cpu i5 9300H

16 GB  DDR4

 

 

Seems like you should get around 50 fps. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop) GPU - NotebookCheck.net Tech

What're you running on? I assume a laptop of some sort? What's the model?

Are you running into a power limit somewhere? You can try setting all performance settings in windows, nvidia drivers to high, max performance etc.

 

[TheOneNex]

1 hour ago, Qyygle said:

Seems like you should get around 50 fps. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 (Laptop) GPU - NotebookCheck.net Tech

What're you running on? I assume a laptop of some sort? What's the model?

Are you running into a power limit somewhere? You can try setting all performance settings in windows, nvidia drivers to high, max performance etc.

 

I did like you said, still no noticeable difference.

I get 40-50 fps on "low- minimum latency" option unlike other people getting 60 on high 

my laptop is Lenovo L340, how do i check for that power thing u mentioned?

[Qyygle]

1 hour ago, TheOneNex said:

I did like you said, still no noticeable difference.

I get 40-50 fps on "low- minimum latency" option unlike other people getting 60 on high 

my laptop is Lenovo L340, how do i check for that power thing u mentioned?

Hm, weird. Your laptop is actually one of the ones used for average scores for a 1650 on Notebookcheck's page. I'd check that you're fully plugged in and using a properly sized charger when gaming. 

 

You can access the Nvidia control panel by either right clicking on desktop or searching your programs. If you don't see it, you might need to update the GPU drivers (try pulling them directly from NVIDIA's website)

 

Otherwise, you can use 2 tools to check for what's limiting your hardware: HWinfo and RTSS.

These are generally what's used by most reviewers to show CPU/GPU and other performance metrics in recordings. You can probably just get away with just using HWinfo and dragging it onto a second monitor if you have one available. Don't need to mess with setting up the RTSS overlay.

These are the main sections you'll want to keep an eye on. Fire up the game, drop into a scenario where you see the framerates, and watch for any of those limits triggering on the HWinfo window. Once you see a throttling trigger on either the CPU or GPU, you'll know which one is causing the bottleneck at least. If it's the CPU, it'll likely show "Package/RingPower Limit Exceeded" - Yes, with the GPU showing utilization. If it's the GPU, you'll see "Performance Limit-Power" - Yes

 

HWinfo will also show you the actual power each is pulling in there. If your machine is at full power, the 1650 should pull about 50W. If it's not, you'll probably have to play around with Lenovo's drivers and BIOS settings. Does Lenovo Control Center have any power settings? You may also want to check what version BIOS you are running and try to update to any newer versions that may be out.

[TheOneNex]

22 hours ago, Qyygle said:

Hm, weird. Your laptop is actually one of the ones used for average scores for a 1650 on Notebookcheck's page. I'd check that you're fully plugged in and using a properly sized charger when gaming. 

 

You can access the Nvidia control panel by either right clicking on desktop or searching your programs. If you don't see it, you might need to update the GPU drivers (try pulling them directly from NVIDIA's website)

 

Otherwise, you can use 2 tools to check for what's limiting your hardware: HWinfo and RTSS.

These are generally what's used by most reviewers to show CPU/GPU and other performance metrics in recordings. You can probably just get away with just using HWinfo and dragging it onto a second monitor if you have one available. Don't need to mess with setting up the RTSS overlay.

These are the main sections you'll want to keep an eye on. Fire up the game, drop into a scenario where you see the framerates, and watch for any of those limits triggering on the HWinfo window. Once you see a throttling trigger on either the CPU or GPU, you'll know which one is causing the bottleneck at least. If it's the CPU, it'll likely show "Package/RingPower Limit Exceeded" - Yes, with the GPU showing utilization. If it's the GPU, you'll see "Performance Limit-Power" - Yes

 

HWinfo will also show you the actual power each is pulling in there. If your machine is at full power, the 1650 should pull about 50W. If it's not, you'll probably have to play around with Lenovo's drivers and BIOS settings. Does Lenovo Control Center have any power settings? You may also want to check what version BIOS you are running and try to update to any newer versions that may be out.

oh oh, i dont understand this app but looks like its cpu problem.. am i right?

 

 

[TheOneNex]

23 hours ago, Qyygle said:

Hm, weird. Your laptop is actually one of the ones used for average scores for a 1650 on Notebookcheck's page. I'd check that you're fully plugged in and using a properly sized charger when gaming. 

 

You can access the Nvidia control panel by either right clicking on desktop or searching your programs. If you don't see it, you might need to update the GPU drivers (try pulling them directly from NVIDIA's website)

 

Otherwise, you can use 2 tools to check for what's limiting your hardware: HWinfo and RTSS.

These are generally what's used by most reviewers to show CPU/GPU and other performance metrics in recordings. You can probably just get away with just using HWinfo and dragging it onto a second monitor if you have one available. Don't need to mess with setting up the RTSS overlay.

These are the main sections you'll want to keep an eye on. Fire up the game, drop into a scenario where you see the framerates, and watch for any of those limits triggering on the HWinfo window. Once you see a throttling trigger on either the CPU or GPU, you'll know which one is causing the bottleneck at least. If it's the CPU, it'll likely show "Package/RingPower Limit Exceeded" - Yes, with the GPU showing utilization. If it's the GPU, you'll see "Performance Limit-Power" - Yes

 

HWinfo will also show you the actual power each is pulling in there. If your machine is at full power, the 1650 should pull about 50W. If it's not, you'll probably have to play around with Lenovo's drivers and BIOS settings. Does Lenovo Control Center have any power settings? You may also want to check what version BIOS you are running and try to update to any newer versions that may be out.

also this is a screenshot from my task manager, everything looks normal or more than average

 

[Qyygle]

Huh, it does look like you're power limited on the CPU. Was that taken while the game was running? Weirdly the GPU usage graph on Task Manager is barely anything at all. The integrated GPU was showing more usage than the 1650.

 

You are set to run the game on the 1650, not the UHD graphics right?

 

At the moment of the HWinfo screenshots, the GPU is drawing 15W and the CPU is also drawing 15W

Looking at the data in HWInfo, here's what my interpretation of what's going on:

1. At the start of the game, CPU boosts up to full PL2 power limit (78W), and you're running at somewhat normal FPS. 

2. The CPU hits the temperature limits defined by Lenovo's power settings (89* it looks) and starts thermal throttling.

3. This results in the PL1 power limit being applied, (15W) and that's how you end up with the 13.725W power the CPU is currently drawing. 

4. 15W power on the CPU is starving the GPU of info, so it's showing a utilization throttle, and drawing only 15W of the potential 50W max (which HWinfo does show it drawing at some point)

 

If this is actually what's occuring, there's 2 things I recommend trying.

1. You need to play around in either the BIOS or any Lenovo control center app the L340 uses, and see if there's a performance mode to turn on, or a power saving mode to turn off. Something that changes the 15W PL1 limit. 

2. If you can't find anything like this, a quick-fix or test to try, is to go into the windows power settings and actually restrict the max CPU power. 

This will force the CPU to operate at base clock (2.4). You will still be CPU limited, but hopefully this also keeps the thermal throttle and PL1 limit from kicking in. With the PL1 limit, you're showing 2.17 on the CPU anyway, possibly 2.4 will be better. Do the same thing with the game and HWinfo with that setting, and see if anything improves.

 

If it does, at least you've definitely narrowed it down to this PL1 limit being the issue. The hard fix is probably some Lenovo BIOS or control center setting I bet, but I can't say for sure how to check that. Checking for BIOS or firmware updates from their support site may be the answer too

[GuiltySpark_]

25 minutes ago, TheOneNex said:

also this is a screenshot from my task manager, everything looks normal or more than average

 

What exactly was running when this screenshot was taken? The history graph for the GPU show no usage in the past 30-40 seconds so the game couldn't have been running or you just had it minimized for a minute or two before taking the screenshot. 

 

Task Manager when you Alt-Tab out of game isn't a very reliable way to check usage. You need to put it on another monitor and take a screenshot while in game.

 

Additionally, if your PC was supposed to be "idle" when you took this, your CPU is being utilized to 40 or 50% so you'll want to peek in the Processes tab to find out what's doing that.

[TheOneNex]

1 hour ago, rickeo said:

What exactly was running when this screenshot was taken? The history graph for the GPU show no usage in the past 30-40 seconds so the game couldn't have been running or you just had it minimized for a minute or two before taking the screenshot. 

 

Task Manager when you Alt-Tab out of game isn't a very reliable way to check usage. You need to put it on another monitor and take a screenshot while in game.

 

Additionally, if your PC was supposed to be "idle" when you took this, your CPU is being utilized to 40 or 50% so you'll want to peek in the Processes tab to find out what's doing that.

It was kinda weird i alt-tabbed during a game and i took this screenshot, its not accurate yeah. look at this

 

[TheOneNex]

1 hour ago, Qyygle said:

Huh, it does look like you're power limited on the CPU. Was that taken while the game was running? Weirdly the GPU usage graph on Task Manager is barely anything at all. The integrated GPU was showing more usage than the 1650.

 

You are set to run the game on the 1650, not the UHD graphics right?

 

At the moment of the HWinfo screenshots, the GPU is drawing 15W and the CPU is also drawing 15W

Looking at the data in HWInfo, here's what my interpretation of what's going on:

1. At the start of the game, CPU boosts up to full PL2 power limit (78W), and you're running at somewhat normal FPS. 

2. The CPU hits the temperature limits defined by Lenovo's power settings (89* it looks) and starts thermal throttling.

3. This results in the PL1 power limit being applied, (15W) and that's how you end up with the 13.725W power the CPU is currently drawing. 

4. 15W power on the CPU is starving the GPU of info, so it's showing a utilization throttle, and drawing only 15W of the potential 50W max (which HWinfo does show it drawing at some point)

 

If this is actually what's occuring, there's 2 things I recommend trying.

1. You need to play around in either the BIOS or any Lenovo control center app the L340 uses, and see if there's a performance mode to turn on, or a power saving mode to turn off. Something that changes the 15W PL1 limit. 

2. If you can't find anything like this, a quick-fix or test to try, is to go into the windows power settings and actually restrict the max CPU power. 

This will force the CPU to operate at base clock (2.4). You will still be CPU limited, but hopefully this also keeps the thermal throttle and PL1 limit from kicking in. With the PL1 limit, you're showing 2.17 on the CPU anyway, possibly 2.4 will be better. Do the same thing with the game and HWinfo with that setting, and see if anything improves.

 

If it does, at least you've definitely narrowed it down to this PL1 limit being the issue. The hard fix is probably some Lenovo BIOS or control center setting I bet, but I can't say for sure how to check that. Checking for BIOS or firmware updates from their support site may be the answer too

look at the above mentioned screenshot, i used borderless window to be able to take a live screenshot from another tool i been using it's more  user friendly

says it all.

the processor is the impostor.

[GuiltySpark_]

1 minute ago, TheOneNex said:

It was kinda weird i alt-tabbed during a game and i took this screenshot, its not accurate yeah. look at this

 

Nothing else is running on your PC when you're doing this? 

 

Meaning you've checked the Processes tab and organized by CPU?

[TheOneNex]

7 minutes ago, rickeo said:

Nothing else is running on your PC when you're doing this? 

 

Meaning you've checked the Processes tab and organized by CPU?

yup, nothing on background worth mentioning

[Qyygle]

Hm, weird. With the corrected readings, it does seem you're running at the proper power usage then.

It is still somewhat CPU bound, you're averaging ~90* on CPU, the GPU is sitting at 50% utilization and ~75*. You say the framerate is only around like 20-40 though? 

 

A bit of a stupid question I guess, but is vsync on in the game settings?

[TheOneNex]

7 hours ago, Qyygle said:

Hm, weird. With the corrected readings, it does seem you're running at the proper power usage then.

It is still somewhat CPU bound, you're averaging ~90* on CPU, the GPU is sitting at 50% utilization and ~75*. You say the framerate is only around like 20-40 though? 

 

A bit of a stupid question I guess, but is vsync on in the game settings?

Yes vsync on, the effect of it being off is too bothering 

But yeah on low I get like 40-50 fps depending on my surroundings. On higher details it's unplayable. 

Is there anything I can doabout processor bottleneck? And is that normal for i59300H 4 cores? 

[Qyygle]

Honestly, I think it might be the vsync setting then. I don't think most people run the FPS tests with it turned on.

Do the same test with vsync turned off and see if the GPU use goes back to somewhere near 90-100%

 

VSYNC's main effect is that it will reduce your frames in order to time the vertical and horizontal refreshes better with your monitor refresh rate, eliminating screen tear.

I'd bet the videos and benchmarks you see online all have vsync turned off in the graphics settings, because it's introducing the monitor refresh as a factor into the FPS. If you can't play without it, you'll just have to deal with the hit to framerate...alternatively, you can try imposing a max FPS cap matching your monitor's refresh rate (60?) and turning vsync off. It might not work as perfectly, but it might be close enough to be acceptable.

 

 

You can also try a cooling pad or even just elevating the rear of the laptop. It seems right now the CPU is hitting it's thermal limit, though running at near the max it can give in this situation. 

[Guest]

18 hours ago, TheOneNex said:

also this is a screenshot from my task manager, everything looks normal or more than average

 

I think you can right click that graph then select something to look at all individual cores, try that and see if one thread is at 100%

[GuiltySpark_]

I’ll mention it again but the Processes tab in Task Manager still needs to be looked at. Organized by CPU. 

 

I’m still not certain that he doesn’t have other processes running using his CPU. That graph isn’t telling this critical information. 

[Qyygle]

His shot of resource monitor shows nothing else really running.

 

I think it might literally just be down to his use of VSYNC...

 

[TheOneNex]

49 minutes ago, Qyygle said:

His shot of resource monitor shows nothing else really running.

 

I think it might literally just be down to his use of VSYNC...

 

vsync didn't improve fps not even one bit :S

 + I have a cooling pad under the laptop it seems pretty cool under the laptop itself

but the temps are not what i expected